Can you be more specific? The only things i like about Pandain are that he aknowledged the fact Kels/Shape have at least in mafia in them, and that slam kinda called him mafia after he died. I don't really like anything Eywa has posted because as i said there is zero reasoning behind her posts. Both of them can't be mafia though.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43226 Posts

June 26 2019 05:23 GMT

#726

Did you read what for example HF wrote about Pandain? Why is it so impossible that Slam is mafia with let's say Kelsier (who is his scumread) + Shapelog (who he doesn't have a read on) that he is willing to lynch his 95% townread (me) over Slam? Even if he thinks one of Kelsier + Shapelog is mafia that should still be a viable option that one of the active players is mafia with one of them and they still can't do anything about the lynch (like for example they are already on whichever of Kels/Shape = town). It really doesn't make any sense. Had Pandain only said he doesn't want to lynch Slam and not pushed Kelsier + me like he did i could understand him, that's what i originally thought was the case. Just because he "explained himself" doesn't make him town, what do you expect him to do as mafia? Just roll over and die?

Yeah i asked a lot of stuff from Eywa and also got phoo os there is nothing much to talk about.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43226 Posts

June 26 2019 05:24 GMT

#727

On June 26 2019 14:21 Eversince wrote:
To clarify- Ewya pushing me as a lynch is mafia agenda because she absolutely will not explain why. I'm a super active poster and might throw a wrench to a low active mafia maby?

The whole push seems bleh to me.

same here. like she seems to think possibly that because i thought pandain is mafia and also thought she is mafia when she thinks pandain is mafia, that makes me mafia. But that's garbage reasoning.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43226 Posts

June 26 2019 05:25 GMT

#728

The problem still is that at least one of them has to be town because as i said every singe pair of active players could have avoided Slam lynch. Which basically is the correct play when the game is 8vs3.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43226 Posts

June 26 2019 05:30 GMT

#730

On June 26 2019 14:27 Eversince wrote:
It is very odd that he jumped on you though instead of Kels/Shape unless they are partners.

Yeah he is never mafia with Kelsier. If he is mafia with Shapelog what choice does he have? Holyflare was almost lynching me and Grack expressed interest in following HF.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43226 Posts

June 26 2019 05:33 GMT

#732

Like do you completely understand the argument why at least one of Kelsier / Shapelog has to be mafia? If you don't agree with it can you please show me a pair who cannot put their votes onto either Shape / Kels and save slam not being outright caught?

raynpelikoneet

Finland43226 Posts

June 26 2019 05:48 GMT

#736

If there is a vigilante btw they should absolutely always shoot Shapelog. He flips mafia, cool, he flips town lynch Kelsier because he has to be mafia, then Pandain and jock become pretty much hard cleared and the last mafia HAS to be in me and Eywa. You will have enough days to lynch both.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43226 Posts

June 26 2019 05:51 GMT

#737

In other words if you shoot Shapelog he either flips mafia or town always wins.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43226 Posts

June 26 2019 05:55 GMT

#739

Well do you seriously think there is a chance Pandain bussed Kelsier basically all D1 just into hard-defending his 100% afk scummate Slam?????

raynpelikoneet

Finland43226 Posts

June 26 2019 06:15 GMT

#744

On June 26 2019 14:59 Eversince wrote:
Ewya might be the last. I'm stuck between Kels/ Pand. The both can't be mafia together right?

On June 26 2019 14:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well do you seriously think there is a chance Pandain bussed Kelsier basically all D1 just into hard-defending his 100% afk scummate Slam?????

raynpelikoneet

Finland43226 Posts

June 26 2019 06:24 GMT

#746

Another thing that bugs me about Pandain is that he still, after lynch, calls Grackaroni scum but Grack was one of the few people he tried to get on board onto another lynch. Like in what fucking world does pandain have more than 0% chance of convincing scum!grack to do what he wants if it's to switch from town to mafia? idk, maybe it's too insane to be scum, difinitely doesn't make any sense in any world.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43226 Posts

June 26 2019 06:28 GMT

#750

On June 26 2019 15:24 Eversince wrote:
I know you t!read Kels but at least look at Pand again. I like Pand more than I like Kels but effort from either could change that,

I have looked Pandain and i can't tell for certain. Before eod there is some weird shit basically with his read on me that doesn't make any sense at all, his eod definitely looks scummy and even quite irrational based on his reads there and after. I am just not completely certain what it means. For sure he is high suspect for me and i don't think you can tell me anything atm to make me consider otherwise. I don't townread Kelsier, i just scumread Shapelog more than Kelsier. I want to get rid of Shapelog for certain in case it happens during this night, D2 i am not sure what to do yet (unless vigi shoots Shapelog town) but there's like 60 hours before i need to know.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43226 Posts

June 26 2019 06:29 GMT

#752

On June 26 2019 15:26 Eversince wrote:
It is off that he still thinks Grack is scum. To me it's wasted time.

Of course it's wasted time, and grack is not mafia. pandain even himself gave the perfect reason why it's not a fake claim.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43226 Posts

June 26 2019 06:35 GMT

#756

Here. you asked me about it.

On June 25 2019 22:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Show nested quote +

he was. you're right he isn't rn. He has promised to look into shapelog and pandain though so i am waiting to see what he does. if he doesn't do anything maybe you're right and i am wrong.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43226 Posts

June 26 2019 06:39 GMT

#759

On June 26 2019 15:34 Jockmcplop wrote:

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This is a very good post.

I am actually having another problem right now (kinda not related to this -- this is stil lalways best play) since i just went back to look for something for Eversince. I am not sure if Kelsier had discussed Eywa in the post where he accused you in case they are mafia together. I know i am not mafia so if Eywa is not mafia with Kelsier, Kelsier cannot be mafia with anyone except for Shapelog.

So i think Shapelog is always mafia in this game and if that's not true i am very bad at this game. Or wrong about how bold Kelsier can be as scum.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43226 Posts

June 26 2019 06:42 GMT

#761

Like seriously this is my take on Kelsier's mafia play.

Kelsier says "VE is pocketing rayn therefore VE is mafia"
I wait for 12 hrs and ask Kelsier "why am i town?"
Kelsier says "what i don't read you as town"

Kelsier has to be mafia because VE cannot be mafia for "pocketing rayn" unless he thinks rayn is town....