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Exo hopefully gets modkilled for not posting at all at least.
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If he appears at deadline though so help me I will attempt that shenanigan even if it risks my life.
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BH is still an excellent lynch, don't think otherwise. But we can at least talk about other people.
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On March 08 2019 03:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2019 03:29 Holyflare wrote:
Can we drop this now? I'm in my way home and I'd really like to start scum hunting without repeating the names BH or HF or even Ace.
Let's get working on that together ok? You might think I'm mafia but let's try something new for progress because even if you want to auto lynch me then we'll still get to the bottom of things for you to work through when you're wrong. i tried that for 3 days. i responded to every single of your reads (i think i am sorry if i missed some). yes you responded to mine, but like.... it was a lackluster, you were just like "ehhhhhh". Well if you think that, then ok, but if you THInK THAT then maybe you are scum, because there is good shit in there.
I am sorry, link them again and I'll fully reply and weigh in. We can try and make this game great again.
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On March 08 2019 03:53 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2019 03:50 Grackaroni wrote:On March 08 2019 03:44 darthfoley wrote:On March 08 2019 03:41 darthfoley wrote:
so i have 75 pages to read... and i'm getting shoulder surgery tomorrow and my arm will be in a sling for a month.
I'll spend the next couple hours trying to make sense of this stuff and be useful for once. If you want to vig me, that might be ideal lol If there are major points of contention and/or stuff I should definitely read, please let me know. Otherwise i'll be just stream of consciousness posting as I catch up. Read the last few pages of my filter and Rayns filter and Mocsta's filter. Every one else is just back and forth between HF and BH. Okay, appreciate it @Acro/Grack etc. Will read through them and then BH/HF filter
Good luck, friend.
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On March 08 2019 04:21 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2019 04:11 Jockmcplop wrote:On March 08 2019 04:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
oh btw from now on i am gonna be a little bitch and report all "offences" to hosts because they can be hurstful to a soul of some person..... so no swearing, no anything else. inbetween tl rules you idiots. i am done with me getting all the shit for nothing. You know what always cheers me up? Sifaka lemurs: + Show Spoiler +Look at em. Lovely things. That did cheer me up  Lets go back to this: Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 22:41 Jockmcplop wrote:On March 07 2019 22:37 Acrofales wrote:On March 07 2019 22:32 Jockmcplop wrote:I'm leaning heavily towards a scum read on BH right now. The more he posts the more scummy his motivations seem to be. His attacks on hf look as if he has made them up on the spot in an effort to try and paint hf as mafia, rather than coming to natural conclusions about hf from available evidence. The best example of this is the following post: On March 06 2019 09:38 Blazinghand wrote:
HF why did you claim a shot on me?
Here's a theory as to why HF did this. It is because he is scum.
In the Scum QT:
Holyflare: Hey guys, the deadline is coming up. We know a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and then probably claim after the daypost.
Other Scums: yeah, sounds accurate to me.
Holyflare: then Blazinghand will flip town, and i'm going to look real bad.
Other Scums: oh no!
Holyflare: ok, but here's the plan. I'm going to, right before the end of the night, with second on the clock, claim that I'm the vigi and am shooting BH.
Other Scums: why would you do this HF? we're not shooting BH...
Holflare: see, a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and I will get autolynched D2 unless I can pose as the vigi who shot him. This will allow me to get in one more mislynch, as people will trust me. If the real vigi counterclaims, that's still a better situation than if I never claimed in the first place and just let myself get autolynched.
Other Scums: good idea
Then, for some reason, I didn't get shot, and now HF has to just pretend he never claimed he was shooting me This is pure speculation and I like how creative it is, but it is not evidence. He then refers back to this as 'compelling' a few posts later, but as we can see it isn't compelling its a rather badly shoehorned piece of fiction, designed to create an mirage. On March 06 2019 18:31 Blazinghand wrote:Whatever the particulars of the bad Palmar scumread, I still think this is easily the most compelling reason for the HF scum case: On March 06 2019 09:38 Blazinghand wrote:
HF why did you claim a shot on me?
Here's a theory as to why HF did this. It is because he is scum.
In the Scum QT:
Holyflare: Hey guys, the deadline is coming up. We know a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and then probably claim after the daypost.
Other Scums: yeah, sounds accurate to me.
Holyflare: then Blazinghand will flip town, and i'm going to look real bad.
Other Scums: oh no!
Holyflare: ok, but here's the plan. I'm going to, right before the end of the night, with second on the clock, claim that I'm the vigi and am shooting BH.
Other Scums: why would you do this HF? we're not shooting BH...
Holflare: see, a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and I will get autolynched D2 unless I can pose as the vigi who shot him. This will allow me to get in one more mislynch, as people will trust me. If the real vigi counterclaims, that's still a better situation than if I never claimed in the first place and just let myself get autolynched.
Other Scums: good idea
Then, for some reason, I didn't get shot, and now HF has to just pretend he never claimed he was shooting me HF has largely abandoned his provably false ideas of "well, I couldn't change the mayor lynch" given the way the mayor lynch is received mechanically and the fact he was in thread and watched and commented on the shenannnies as they went down. Just for killing Palmar is he scum? eh, maybe not. But for lying about it, then slithering away from the lie when called out? oh yeah baby Ok, so what is the point of town!HF to claim a fake vig shot? I didn't incorporate it in my case, because it's mostly wifom, but I really don't see it: 1. He made a big play and it backfired spectacularly. 2. He makes another big play just for shit and giggles? WTF? Now, lets say BH had gotten vig'd. We'd have a townie counterclaiming the vig shot, and today would have been an even bigger shitshow. Lynch all liars is a damned good policy for a reason, because even if townies *do* do this kind of stupid shit, it is blatantly anti-town play. And the *second* time HF does a big anti-town play in the same damn game. That's true, but doesn't say anything about the point I am making. This story BH is telling is meaningless, as if he needed something completely made up to emphasize his argument for some reason. Also, if we are lynching people for anti-town play, what about the whole of D1/N1 from BH? Blatant anti-town play that has no upside or no possible upside for town. You say BH is scummy for making up a narrative. While the narrative is of course pure speculation, it's just a funny way of presenting the problem here: FACT: HF claimed vigilante FACT: HF is not a vigilante CONCLUSION: HF fakeclaimed vigilante. So there are two options: HF is town and fakeclaimed vigilante, or HF is scum and fakeclaimed vigilante. You seem to lean towards it being town!HF fakeclaiming vigilante, because in his own words, he was adding "suspense" around the daypost. I mean.. sure, he has shown so far that HF only really cares about HF, so he might just have done it for the shit of it, but you ignored the whole conundrum of my post earlier. How do you explain town!HF not even thinking that there was a real vig that would really shoot BH?
I mean... who cares if there was a real vig? I could just rescind my claim or get killed which, again, would make my position a 1 for 1 trade if I survived somehow (which I wouldn't in this case) which I would never like.
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On March 08 2019 04:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am kind of falling asleep atm. I think you should take a look at my case on Acro but i guess that's a lost call. :/
Well, just dont be idiots. gn
I did and will respond to it.
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On March 08 2019 04:31 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2019 04:30 Holyflare wrote:On March 08 2019 04:21 Acrofales wrote:On March 08 2019 04:11 Jockmcplop wrote:On March 08 2019 04:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
oh btw from now on i am gonna be a little bitch and report all "offences" to hosts because they can be hurstful to a soul of some person..... so no swearing, no anything else. inbetween tl rules you idiots. i am done with me getting all the shit for nothing. You know what always cheers me up? Sifaka lemurs: + Show Spoiler +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RiZElNNpAY Look at em. Lovely things. That did cheer me up Lets go back to this: On March 07 2019 22:41 Jockmcplop wrote:On March 07 2019 22:37 Acrofales wrote:On March 07 2019 22:32 Jockmcplop wrote:I'm leaning heavily towards a scum read on BH right now. The more he posts the more scummy his motivations seem to be. His attacks on hf look as if he has made them up on the spot in an effort to try and paint hf as mafia, rather than coming to natural conclusions about hf from available evidence. The best example of this is the following post: On March 06 2019 09:38 Blazinghand wrote:
HF why did you claim a shot on me?
Here's a theory as to why HF did this. It is because he is scum.
In the Scum QT:
Holyflare: Hey guys, the deadline is coming up. We know a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and then probably claim after the daypost.
Other Scums: yeah, sounds accurate to me.
Holyflare: then Blazinghand will flip town, and i'm going to look real bad.
Other Scums: oh no!
Holyflare: ok, but here's the plan. I'm going to, right before the end of the night, with second on the clock, claim that I'm the vigi and am shooting BH.
Other Scums: why would you do this HF? we're not shooting BH...
Holflare: see, a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and I will get autolynched D2 unless I can pose as the vigi who shot him. This will allow me to get in one more mislynch, as people will trust me. If the real vigi counterclaims, that's still a better situation than if I never claimed in the first place and just let myself get autolynched.
Other Scums: good idea
Then, for some reason, I didn't get shot, and now HF has to just pretend he never claimed he was shooting me This is pure speculation and I like how creative it is, but it is not evidence. He then refers back to this as 'compelling' a few posts later, but as we can see it isn't compelling its a rather badly shoehorned piece of fiction, designed to create an mirage. On March 06 2019 18:31 Blazinghand wrote:Whatever the particulars of the bad Palmar scumread, I still think this is easily the most compelling reason for the HF scum case: On March 06 2019 09:38 Blazinghand wrote:
HF why did you claim a shot on me?
Here's a theory as to why HF did this. It is because he is scum.
In the Scum QT:
Holyflare: Hey guys, the deadline is coming up. We know a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and then probably claim after the daypost.
Other Scums: yeah, sounds accurate to me.
Holyflare: then Blazinghand will flip town, and i'm going to look real bad.
Other Scums: oh no!
Holyflare: ok, but here's the plan. I'm going to, right before the end of the night, with second on the clock, claim that I'm the vigi and am shooting BH.
Other Scums: why would you do this HF? we're not shooting BH...
Holflare: see, a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and I will get autolynched D2 unless I can pose as the vigi who shot him. This will allow me to get in one more mislynch, as people will trust me. If the real vigi counterclaims, that's still a better situation than if I never claimed in the first place and just let myself get autolynched.
Other Scums: good idea
Then, for some reason, I didn't get shot, and now HF has to just pretend he never claimed he was shooting me HF has largely abandoned his provably false ideas of "well, I couldn't change the mayor lynch" given the way the mayor lynch is received mechanically and the fact he was in thread and watched and commented on the shenannnies as they went down. Just for killing Palmar is he scum? eh, maybe not. But for lying about it, then slithering away from the lie when called out? oh yeah baby Ok, so what is the point of town!HF to claim a fake vig shot? I didn't incorporate it in my case, because it's mostly wifom, but I really don't see it: 1. He made a big play and it backfired spectacularly. 2. He makes another big play just for shit and giggles? WTF? Now, lets say BH had gotten vig'd. We'd have a townie counterclaiming the vig shot, and today would have been an even bigger shitshow. Lynch all liars is a damned good policy for a reason, because even if townies *do* do this kind of stupid shit, it is blatantly anti-town play. And the *second* time HF does a big anti-town play in the same damn game. That's true, but doesn't say anything about the point I am making. This story BH is telling is meaningless, as if he needed something completely made up to emphasize his argument for some reason. Also, if we are lynching people for anti-town play, what about the whole of D1/N1 from BH? Blatant anti-town play that has no upside or no possible upside for town. You say BH is scummy for making up a narrative. While the narrative is of course pure speculation, it's just a funny way of presenting the problem here: FACT: HF claimed vigilante FACT: HF is not a vigilante CONCLUSION: HF fakeclaimed vigilante. So there are two options: HF is town and fakeclaimed vigilante, or HF is scum and fakeclaimed vigilante. You seem to lean towards it being town!HF fakeclaiming vigilante, because in his own words, he was adding "suspense" around the daypost. I mean.. sure, he has shown so far that HF only really cares about HF, so he might just have done it for the shit of it, but you ignored the whole conundrum of my post earlier. How do you explain town!HF not even thinking that there was a real vig that would really shoot BH? I mean... who cares if there was a real vig? I could just rescind my claim or get killed which, again, would make my position a 1 for 1 trade if I survived somehow (which I wouldn't in this case) which I would never like. You've mentioned a few times that you've provided evidence that you do this kind of last second fakeclaim as town and have done so before - can you link to a game or state the name of a game in which you did this?
https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/531261-medic-mafia?page=7#121
https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/527379-newbie-student-mafia-xxvii?page=70#1387
This is just in like my last few games iirc and one of those I didn't claim because someone else beat claiming a role first. I've claimed cops with a red check, I've claimed vig shots, I've counter claimed blues, I do whatever I please my friend.
There was even a game where I red checked glowingbear and I wasn't a cop and he flipped town because I was sure he was mafia. SL was in that game and said the same things "+ev to lynch hf bla bla". Same shit, different game.
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On March 08 2019 04:42 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2019 04:10 Oatsmaster wrote:
Mafia boi
If wriggles does the same thing as you in that his case on you can be applied to him, and you are town, doesn’t that mean he’s also town? How does it mean he’s mafia I never scumread him. So, it’s hilarious you are saying I’m scum for this, but apparently Wiggles is somehow town for doing exactly that. Take a look at my two posts: Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 18:52 Tubesock wrote:
Wiggles, you’ve been scumming me since before I even scummed Trfel. Yet you’ve never voted me. Why not? You seem pretty convinced, you have some others who agree. Think about what you say because I’m going to have great satisfaction copy and pasting things from your case on me in my defense. Then Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 21:47 Tubesock wrote:
Wiggles is funny to me. I feel like I can just take his case on me, and find/replace his name for mine and submit it with equal fervor. Plus we voted on both wagons so we can’t be too far off. Why do you think i wrote the big and bold?? It’s a fucking trap and you fell right into it. Oatsmaster didn’t bother to read anything more than the single post and looking for “reads” at the shallowest of levels. You went straight to Tube is mafia because of this “slip” you found. Yet you had no idea it was a trap and you fell into it!!! This action on your part is representative of your entire game. You are mafia.
Explain this trap like I'm 5 because I don't get it.
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So he now calls someone scum for agreeing with him that Trfel is likely town. He does absolutely nothing to push the lynch towards BH even though it was a close vote, he classifies BH as scummier than Trfel, AND has this insane 15 read progression on Trfel all the while not giving a fuck if he gets lynched. To top it all off, he then scum reads ExO for a similar read progression???????
I have a lot more on Trfel because it was a narrative as I was writing it and the two equivalences between him and BH are different because the metrics to read them are quite different. I read through Trfel's filter and I found a really small glimmer that his read on Oats and then blindly following what I said about Oats' meta was so placid and easy to achieve that I don't think someone that was mafia would do that because they would feel too self conscious. Then as I was reading through his filter some more (since it was a narrative whilst I was essentially reading his filter) I saw his "oats was a pressure vote" post and immediately felt like it was off. Trfel coming back at deadline seemed completely lost, confused, didn't know what was going on and his whole tone felt completely innocent.
BH was just doing completely BH things at deadline that I expect from him in any mafia game, which is nothing but pander to emotions and provide excuses. I don't know what more you wanted me to write on BH who only had minimal posts at that point though.
You have misread the Exo post because that's not what it says at all. He says that Blazinghand, the person that he voted to lynch, looked like an innocent town guy campaigning for a better town. He lynched him while saying this. This is unequivocally scummy.
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On March 08 2019 05:07 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +
So he now calls someone scum for agreeing with him that Trfel is likely town. He does absolutely nothing to push the lynch towards BH even though it was a close vote, he classifies BH as scummier than Trfel, AND has this insane 15 read progression on Trfel all the while not giving a fuck if he gets lynched. To top it all off, he then scum reads ExO for a similar read progression???????
I have a lot more on Trfel because it was a narrative as I was writing it and the two equivalences between him and BH are different because the metrics to read them are quite different. I read through Trfel's filter and I found a really small glimmer that his read on Oats and then blindly following what I said about Oats' meta was so placid and easy to achieve that I don't think someone that was mafia would do that because they would feel too self conscious. Then as I was reading through his filter some more (since it was a narrative whilst I was essentially reading his filter) I saw his "oats was a pressure vote" post and immediately felt like it was off. Trfel coming back at deadline seemed completely lost, confused, didn't know what was going on and his whole tone felt completely innocent. BH was just doing completely BH things at deadline that I expect from him in any mafia game, which is nothing but pander to emotions and provide excuses. I don't know what more you wanted me to write on BH who only had minimal posts at that point though. You have misread the Exo post because that's not what it says at all. He says that Blazinghand, the person that he voted to lynch, looked like an innocent town guy campaigning for a better town. He lynched him while saying this. This is unequivocally scummy.
I am pretty sure Trfel only just came back like 10 minutes before deadline or something too. Wasn't that much time. I thought he was scummy then and I told him as much when he said "hf save me" and I just said "no". Then he looked increasingly more innocent as the time ticked down. I was just getting home from flying back from Amsterdam though, so although I was here I wasn't particularly here.
It's completely different to see now but there was no vote count at deadline or a while before it (it's been edited since, but shouldn't have been) because the mods were off doing something else so nobody had any idea what the vote count was and I honestly thought it was more secure. There was also conversion and Vivax that saved BH essentially right at the last minute (but nobody would know that because the vote count came 20 minutes after deadline).
I was also more concerned with becoming mayor and thought BH was a really secure lynch tbh.
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On March 08 2019 05:20 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2019 05:15 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 08 2019 05:11 rsoultin wrote:On March 08 2019 05:09 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 08 2019 05:06 rsoultin wrote:On March 08 2019 05:02 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 08 2019 04:59 rsoultin wrote:On March 08 2019 04:50 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 08 2019 04:44 Blazinghand wrote:On March 08 2019 04:40 Oatsmaster wrote:
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Any town people who aren’t on either BH or Holyflare are actively playing against their wincon btw? Not to say anything that would discourage people from voting HF (and thus saving me, who I know to be town) - but presumably some people strongly TR both me and HF. I'm sure there's scum in the 10 people not on either wagon, of course, but I could see someone having a reasonable reason here. I've certainly felt doubts about this HF wagon, and if I start townreading HF I'm going to move my vote off him. It really gets my goat if these poeple voting side votes aren't around at the end of the day though. Even if you TR both of us, presumably there's one you think is more town than the other... You don’t understand. Either you or holyflare is getting lynched today at this point, there’s nothing else strong enough.
everyone town needs to lynch who they think is the least town or most mafia between the two of you.Lynches are the town’s power but if there is a significant amount of people off wagon then it becomes the mafia power because they have the numbers to manipulate it their favor. @Acro See, Oats gets it xD Though tbf if I strongly felt someone was scum I'd push it. Rels being so pissed off at me (I do not accept this is always a town role as an argument when it's demonstrably not) makes me less inclined to push that. When have you seen it as a mafia role? Oh god big...themedish game. Was in one with scum, yup. People like masoning me. I think LS mentioned the name. My chipmunk brain is useless. I think marv was scum in it with palmar? Btw specifically a mafia mason that can add anyone in the game on successive nights Nope. Not something I knew when I posted about it here, but I'm not sure why that's relevant? I also haven't seen a town role that does that. Because you said demonstrably so I wanted you to demonstrate. Assassin mafia had a mafia mason recruiter and that was Marv. Proof: https://quicktopic.com/51/H/5rn33mZHyEvu
I find it very suspicious that you linked a QT first rather than the game, like you had quick topic open already!
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On March 08 2019 05:32 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2019 05:28 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 08 2019 05:24 WaveofShadow wrote:
Anyone who thinks bh/hf wagons right now are scum v scum are either scum themselves or completely deluded.
Someone do the legwork for me I'm at work. The easiest thing is that holyflare has the power to kill BH, expressed some interest towards it and never did it. and then claimed he didn't show any interest in it at all
that's not trueeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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On March 08 2019 05:35 ExO_ wrote:
I’m at work, I’ve been busy this week and will stay busy until the weekend as my boss is in town until tomorrow. Looks like HF and BH, and between the 2 Id rather lynch BH. Will hang around for 10 mins or so
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On March 08 2019 05:37 darthfoley wrote:
Voting HF while I finish reading BH filter.
##Vote: Holyflare
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On March 08 2019 05:51 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2019 05:48 Vivax wrote:
Looks like Ill have to vote BH then to ensure this isnt another fuckup day. so now that HF wagon is no longer in the lead, and the BH wagon is in the lead, you've swapped your vote from the HF wagon to the BH wagon to... what, exactly?
So now that your only 2 points of why I'm mafia have been disproved by a lot of people in the game that aren't just me, why are you still voting me?
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On March 08 2019 06:07 Ace wrote:
Hey guys - stop saying there's no chance you'll lynch HolyScum so you'll start another wagon. Just keep your vote on him and let the lynch go through
Focus!
Any time you want to quote that unanswered post that you used to scum read me some more that I couldn't find in your filter then feel free.
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On March 08 2019 06:18 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2019 05:54 ExO_ wrote:On March 08 2019 05:45 darthfoley wrote:On March 08 2019 05:35 ExO_ wrote:
I’m at work, I’ve been busy this week and will stay busy until the weekend as my boss is in town until tomorrow. Looks like HF and BH, and between the 2 Id rather lynch BH. Will hang around for 10 mins or so When you get a chance, can you explain if the bolded sentence was about Trfel or BH? And if it was about BH, why did you vote for him? On March 05 2019 08:53 ExO_ wrote:On March 05 2019 08:51 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2019 08:50 ExO_ wrote:On March 05 2019 08:49 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2019 08:49 ExO_ wrote:On March 05 2019 08:47 darthfoley wrote:
I don’t think Trfel reacts like this if he’s mafia before deadline. He’s trying to be heard and sounds genuinely offended that people aren’t interacting with him.
I would think he would try and throw shade on anyone at this point but he isn’t I generally agree with this same sentiment. Looks like its Blazing Hand for the Lynch. It sucks cuz it looks like he's just town giving up to me but there's literally no other choice right now. how the hell can you think that Which part? he dosent look town at all He's here at end of day trying to prove his innocence. All of these people (especially you) love to stroke your own egos with how somebodys posting means X or Y without really considering sometimes it's hard to just play well in a large game like this. To me, he looks like a town that cares at end of day. I was talking about trfel — when he said “he doesn’t look town at al”l I assumed he was talking about trfel—I responded with my opinion on trfel That's what I assumed, but HF claimed it was about BH and has been using it as a reason to scum read you
Oh, what? That's super unclear.
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Hold the phone guys. I think we should lynch BH and Tumblewood.
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I'll post what I'm working on/continued from yesterday but it's essentially a collection of stances on BH/Trfel and their follow up today and Tumblewood is..... underwhelming at best. Scummy at most.
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