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On March 06 2019 09:27 Holyflare wrote:At least we gather some vote d1 vote swap information. The conversion slot, the one that saved BH for no discernible reason (as well as Vivax I guess) was town. If Vivax is town, he's in a great spot to know that there was no mafia last minute shenanigan to save BH and thus BH is likely town. He's auto voted BH though so he's probably not that smart.
This seems stupid to me.
BH knows he's gonna be lynched when he begins shitting the thread with all the "policy me!" posts. Mafia had time to discuss and prepare for it. Some probably voted him, some probably didn't, whatever, I don't think any kind of vote analysis will be very strong after the moment BH starts martyring.
Now after that, scum are always pretty unlikely do switch at deadline. That attracts attention, and scum does not like attention. Now it depdends on the player ofc, but most won't switch at deadline, even to save a partner. Add to that that BH is not even a strong player worth saving, and knows he's gonna get lynched sooner or later.
So in my mind, this part is stupid: "there was no mafia last minute shenanigan to save BH and thus BH is likely town".
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On March 07 2019 03:06 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 03:03 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 07 2019 03:01 Tumblewood wrote:On March 07 2019 02:57 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 07 2019 02:55 Tictock wrote:On March 07 2019 02:48 Rels wrote:
this HF situation is annoying. I think he is town. I'm not as sure as rayn and rsoul seems to be, like HF is a super strong scum and could easily do whatever he's done in this game. BUT, him not shitting up the thread feels weird if he's scum. He has the potential to throw the game into chaos easily, like he did when he got red checked in ... Himalayas probably?, saying he's the best lynch while posting a lot, and he is not doing it.
Now. IF HES SCUM AND HE LIVES AND WINS. He's gonna mock me and whoever townread him forever. I know this is a ridiculous way to handle this situation but that's waht I think.
So the solution: he msut be lynched in LYLO. I won't be there to push it probably, but if he's alive in LYLO, no matter what, lynch him. IF YOURE READING THIS DURING LYLO, LYNCH HF IF HES STILL ALIVE This is a solid approach imo, and kinda jives with where my head is at with HF. Rels can have a townie-brownie. Okay let’s take a walkthrough here of the possibilities of Rels alignment 1. Rels is mafia and hf is mafia. HF stays alive for the longest amount of time, good for mafia. 2. Rels is mafia and hf is town. Mafia has like a 100% chance of winning at lylo and Rels gets cred if hf is flipped today anyway. Where are the downsides of Relsmafia! Proposing this plan? rels doesn’t want town!HF to clear himself and then be good townie & lynch scum? also do u want to avoid being lynched? b/c there’s no downside of that if ur mafia Town!hf is never gonna clear himself, let’s be real here. I don’t get the second question, can you rephrase that? if you don’t want to be lynched, that seems like a pretty pro-mafia thing to want if you are mafia. and by this i mean your logic only works if you begin with the assumption that rels is mafia.
By starting with that assumption, I’m showing that proposing that plan doesn’t make Rels town because there are benifits for the mafia team regardless of HFS alignment.
I still don’t get the don’t want to be lynched part sorry
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On March 07 2019 03:06 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 03:03 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 07 2019 03:01 Tumblewood wrote:On March 07 2019 02:57 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 07 2019 02:55 Tictock wrote:On March 07 2019 02:48 Rels wrote:
this HF situation is annoying. I think he is town. I'm not as sure as rayn and rsoul seems to be, like HF is a super strong scum and could easily do whatever he's done in this game. BUT, him not shitting up the thread feels weird if he's scum. He has the potential to throw the game into chaos easily, like he did when he got red checked in ... Himalayas probably?, saying he's the best lynch while posting a lot, and he is not doing it.
Now. IF HES SCUM AND HE LIVES AND WINS. He's gonna mock me and whoever townread him forever. I know this is a ridiculous way to handle this situation but that's waht I think.
So the solution: he msut be lynched in LYLO. I won't be there to push it probably, but if he's alive in LYLO, no matter what, lynch him. IF YOURE READING THIS DURING LYLO, LYNCH HF IF HES STILL ALIVE This is a solid approach imo, and kinda jives with where my head is at with HF. Rels can have a townie-brownie. Okay let’s take a walkthrough here of the possibilities of Rels alignment 1. Rels is mafia and hf is mafia. HF stays alive for the longest amount of time, good for mafia. 2. Rels is mafia and hf is town. Mafia has like a 100% chance of winning at lylo and Rels gets cred if hf is flipped today anyway. Where are the downsides of Relsmafia! Proposing this plan? rels doesn’t want town!HF to clear himself and then be good townie & lynch scum? also do u want to avoid being lynched? b/c there’s no downside of that if ur mafia Town!hf is never gonna clear himself, let’s be real here. I don’t get the second question, can you rephrase that? if you don’t want to be lynched, that seems like a pretty pro-mafia thing to want if you are mafia. and by this i mean your logic only works if you begin with the assumption that rels is mafia.
I think he's only challenging that my HF post was alignment indicative, not saying that it's scum indicative
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On March 07 2019 02:56 rsoultin wrote:
See for me, if grack isn't playing like you think he should when he was super easy for you to read when you were town together, and then he's placing a vote off on a different wagon than your other scumread HF, my reaction would not be, oh, hm, that's interesting, I need to read before I vote for HF. My reaction would be these two are probably scum together and I'd drop my vote so quick.
I haven't really had a solid reason to think HF is scum, and while Grack felt off to me at the start of the game he was still more "low hanging fruit" than someone I actually read as scum.
I've really not had a solid read on HF at all this game. I haven't seen much that makes me think he is town, and despite his insistence otherwise everything I have seen fits in his scum-range. This is why I gave him a 60% chance of being scum just a little while ago. I am salty about his choice of mayor-lynch but that doesn't solidify his alignment for me.
So, yea I figuered I'd rather read and vote later. I rarely drop votes super quick and fast anyways, even though this gets me some heat sometimes.
Right now, I'd say the ppl I feel are most likely scum are: Meap (though he warrents a re-read since I haven't read anything from him in days), Mr. Wiggels, and Bloddy (his recent reads post felt far more opportune than genuine reads, and I had bad vibes from him earlier).
In other news, I'd wager that Oats and Rels are both town this game. Both are pretty off the cuff gut reads right now though. Ehh, maybe a bit stronger on Oats since I felt like his Entry to the game was much more "towny doing his thing" and seemed counter to a scum-agenda.
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On March 07 2019 03:06 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 03:04 Tumblewood wrote:On March 07 2019 02:58 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 07 2019 02:55 Tumblewood wrote:On March 07 2019 02:53 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 07 2019 02:52 Tumblewood wrote:On March 07 2019 02:49 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 03 2019 05:52 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 02 2019 14:30 Tictock wrote:
##Vote: Meapak_Ziphh On March 02 2019 16:29 sicklucker wrote:
##vote Acrofales On March 02 2019 17:35 rsoultin wrote:
##Mayor: iamperfection
##vote: Chezinu On March 02 2019 23:07 Grackaroni wrote:
##Mayor: Vivax On March 03 2019 02:10 Ace wrote:
##Mayor Tumblewood On March 03 2019 04:27 Tubesock wrote:
##Mayor: Holyflare On March 03 2019 04:31 Alakaslam wrote:
##Mayor: HolyFlare
##Vote: Raynpelikoneet On March 02 2019 11:08 Conversion wrote:
##Vote: Meapak_Ziphh all not town So I went and looked back at this for fun, The people that actually put mayor votes that weren’t themselves really early are Sicklurker Rsoul Grack Ace Tubesock Slam Hmmm that’s actually a really suspicious list huh therefore what? Therefore it’s obviously an indicator that they are mafia muppet all of them are scum because they did this? or you just feel vindicated because you think you were right early? They did this because they are scum obviously, cause and effect please get it right + Show Spoiler +0 for 1 with the conv flip but to clarify, does the fact that they did this still cause you to scumread them? i just don’t get the purpose of bringing that list up again. are you saying that you still scumread them, by bring that post up? Convo was a mistake, he never did that, clearly you are doing a great job of fact checking. Yes obviously I still scumread them when I say “that’s actually a really suspicious list huh”
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On March 07 2019 03:03 Vivax wrote:
Keep calm and sheep confirmed town.
You're falling into the HF trap that has been haunting this forum ever since.
If this is the case, sentinel should be the lynch.
I have very good reason now to believe hf is town.
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On March 07 2019 03:08 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 03:06 Tumblewood wrote:On March 07 2019 03:03 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 07 2019 03:01 Tumblewood wrote:On March 07 2019 02:57 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 07 2019 02:55 Tictock wrote:On March 07 2019 02:48 Rels wrote:
this HF situation is annoying. I think he is town. I'm not as sure as rayn and rsoul seems to be, like HF is a super strong scum and could easily do whatever he's done in this game. BUT, him not shitting up the thread feels weird if he's scum. He has the potential to throw the game into chaos easily, like he did when he got red checked in ... Himalayas probably?, saying he's the best lynch while posting a lot, and he is not doing it.
Now. IF HES SCUM AND HE LIVES AND WINS. He's gonna mock me and whoever townread him forever. I know this is a ridiculous way to handle this situation but that's waht I think.
So the solution: he msut be lynched in LYLO. I won't be there to push it probably, but if he's alive in LYLO, no matter what, lynch him. IF YOURE READING THIS DURING LYLO, LYNCH HF IF HES STILL ALIVE This is a solid approach imo, and kinda jives with where my head is at with HF. Rels can have a townie-brownie. Okay let’s take a walkthrough here of the possibilities of Rels alignment 1. Rels is mafia and hf is mafia. HF stays alive for the longest amount of time, good for mafia. 2. Rels is mafia and hf is town. Mafia has like a 100% chance of winning at lylo and Rels gets cred if hf is flipped today anyway. Where are the downsides of Relsmafia! Proposing this plan? rels doesn’t want town!HF to clear himself and then be good townie & lynch scum? also do u want to avoid being lynched? b/c there’s no downside of that if ur mafia Town!hf is never gonna clear himself, let’s be real here. I don’t get the second question, can you rephrase that? if you don’t want to be lynched, that seems like a pretty pro-mafia thing to want if you are mafia. and by this i mean your logic only works if you begin with the assumption that rels is mafia. By starting with that assumption, I’m showing that proposing that plan doesn’t make Rels town because there are benifits for the mafia team regardless of HFS alignment. I still don’t get the don’t want to be lynched part sorry
ya ok forget this
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On March 07 2019 03:08 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 02:56 rsoultin wrote:
See for me, if grack isn't playing like you think he should when he was super easy for you to read when you were town together, and then he's placing a vote off on a different wagon than your other scumread HF, my reaction would not be, oh, hm, that's interesting, I need to read before I vote for HF. My reaction would be these two are probably scum together and I'd drop my vote so quick. I haven't really had a solid reason to think HF is scum, and while Grack felt off to me at the start of the game he was still more "low hanging fruit" than someone I actually read as scum. I've really not had a solid read on HF at all this game. I haven't seen much that makes me think he is town, and despite his insistence otherwise everything I have seen fits in his scum-range. This is why I gave him a 60% chance of being scum just a little while ago. I am salty about his choice of mayor-lynch but that doesn't solidify his alignment for me. So, yea I figuered I'd rather read and vote later. I rarely drop votes super quick and fast anyways, even though this gets me some heat sometimes. Right now, I'd say the ppl I feel are most likely scum are: Meap (though he warrents a re-read since I haven't read anything from him in days), Mr. Wiggels, and Bloddy (his recent reads post felt far more opportune than genuine reads, and I had bad vibes from him earlier).
In other news, I'd wager that Oats and Rels are both town this game. Both are pretty off the cuff gut reads right now though. Ehh, maybe a bit stronger on Oats since I felt like his Entry to the game was much more "towny doing his thing" and seemed counter to a scum-agenda.
Agree on Oats. Don't know how anyone can have a townread on Rels right now, though. Especially if you've ever seen his scum game.
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On March 07 2019 03:09 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 03:03 Vivax wrote:
Keep calm and sheep confirmed town.
You're falling into the HF trap that has been haunting this forum ever since. If this is the case, sentinel should be the lynch. I have very good reason now to believe hf is town.
You know as well as I do that if scumflare is lynched, it's not cause he's caught, but because ppl are rightfully afraid of him?
But now you think you found the holy grail.
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On March 07 2019 03:08 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 03:06 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 07 2019 03:04 Tumblewood wrote:On March 07 2019 02:58 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 07 2019 02:55 Tumblewood wrote:On March 07 2019 02:53 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 07 2019 02:52 Tumblewood wrote:On March 07 2019 02:49 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 03 2019 05:52 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 02 2019 14:30 Tictock wrote:
##Vote: Meapak_Ziphh On March 02 2019 16:29 sicklucker wrote:
##vote Acrofales On March 02 2019 17:35 rsoultin wrote:
##Mayor: iamperfection
##vote: Chezinu On March 02 2019 23:07 Grackaroni wrote:
##Mayor: Vivax On March 03 2019 02:10 Ace wrote:
##Mayor Tumblewood On March 03 2019 04:27 Tubesock wrote:
##Mayor: Holyflare On March 03 2019 04:31 Alakaslam wrote:
##Mayor: HolyFlare
##Vote: Raynpelikoneet On March 02 2019 11:08 Conversion wrote:
##Vote: Meapak_Ziphh all not town So I went and looked back at this for fun, The people that actually put mayor votes that weren’t themselves really early are Sicklurker Rsoul Grack Ace Tubesock Slam Hmmm that’s actually a really suspicious list huh therefore what? Therefore it’s obviously an indicator that they are mafia muppet all of them are scum because they did this? or you just feel vindicated because you think you were right early? They did this because they are scum obviously, cause and effect please get it right + Show Spoiler +0 for 1 with the conv flip but to clarify, does the fact that they did this still cause you to scumread them? i just don’t get the purpose of bringing that list up again. are you saying that you still scumread them, by bring that post up? Convo was a mistake, he never did that, clearly you are doing a great job of fact checking. Yes obviously I still scumread them when I say “that’s actually a really suspicious list huh” ok push them
What does it look like I’m doing muppet.
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On March 07 2019 03:09 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 03:03 Vivax wrote:
Keep calm and sheep confirmed town.
You're falling into the HF trap that has been haunting this forum ever since. If this is the case, sentinel should be the lynch. I have very good reason now to believe hf is town.
You wanna scumclaim now or later?
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On March 07 2019 03:11 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 03:08 Tumblewood wrote:On March 07 2019 03:06 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 07 2019 03:04 Tumblewood wrote:On March 07 2019 02:58 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 07 2019 02:55 Tumblewood wrote:On March 07 2019 02:53 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 07 2019 02:52 Tumblewood wrote:On March 07 2019 02:49 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 03 2019 05:52 Oatsmaster wrote:
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all not town So I went and looked back at this for fun, The people that actually put mayor votes that weren’t themselves really early are Sicklurker Rsoul Grack Ace Tubesock Slam Hmmm that’s actually a really suspicious list huh therefore what? Therefore it’s obviously an indicator that they are mafia muppet all of them are scum because they did this? or you just feel vindicated because you think you were right early? They did this because they are scum obviously, cause and effect please get it right + Show Spoiler +0 for 1 with the conv flip but to clarify, does the fact that they did this still cause you to scumread them? i just don’t get the purpose of bringing that list up again. are you saying that you still scumread them, by bring that post up? Convo was a mistake, he never did that, clearly you are doing a great job of fact checking. Yes obviously I still scumread them when I say “that’s actually a really suspicious list huh” ok push them What does it look like I’m doing muppet.
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On March 07 2019 03:09 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 03:03 Vivax wrote:
Keep calm and sheep confirmed town.
You're falling into the HF trap that has been haunting this forum ever since. If this is the case, sentinel should be the lynch. I have very good reason now to believe hf is town.
Not that I'm not happy to see you coming around, but why the sudden change of heart?
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On March 07 2019 02:57 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 02:55 Tictock wrote:On March 07 2019 02:48 Rels wrote:
this HF situation is annoying. I think he is town. I'm not as sure as rayn and rsoul seems to be, like HF is a super strong scum and could easily do whatever he's done in this game. BUT, him not shitting up the thread feels weird if he's scum. He has the potential to throw the game into chaos easily, like he did when he got red checked in ... Himalayas probably?, saying he's the best lynch while posting a lot, and he is not doing it.
Now. IF HES SCUM AND HE LIVES AND WINS. He's gonna mock me and whoever townread him forever. I know this is a ridiculous way to handle this situation but that's waht I think.
So the solution: he msut be lynched in LYLO. I won't be there to push it probably, but if he's alive in LYLO, no matter what, lynch him. IF YOURE READING THIS DURING LYLO, LYNCH HF IF HES STILL ALIVE This is a solid approach imo, and kinda jives with where my head is at with HF. Rels can have a townie-brownie. Okay let’s take a walkthrough here of the possibilities of Rels alignment 1. Rels is mafia and hf is mafia. HF stays alive for the longest amount of time, good for mafia. 2. Rels is mafia and hf is town. Mafia has like a 100% chance of winning at lylo and Rels gets cred if hf is flipped today anyway. Where are the downsides of Relsmafia! Proposing this plan?
You know this argument can be applied to literally anyone in the game who doesn't currently want HF dead, right?
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On March 07 2019 02:57 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 02:55 Tictock wrote:On March 07 2019 02:48 Rels wrote:
this HF situation is annoying. I think he is town. I'm not as sure as rayn and rsoul seems to be, like HF is a super strong scum and could easily do whatever he's done in this game. BUT, him not shitting up the thread feels weird if he's scum. He has the potential to throw the game into chaos easily, like he did when he got red checked in ... Himalayas probably?, saying he's the best lynch while posting a lot, and he is not doing it.
Now. IF HES SCUM AND HE LIVES AND WINS. He's gonna mock me and whoever townread him forever. I know this is a ridiculous way to handle this situation but that's waht I think.
So the solution: he msut be lynched in LYLO. I won't be there to push it probably, but if he's alive in LYLO, no matter what, lynch him. IF YOURE READING THIS DURING LYLO, LYNCH HF IF HES STILL ALIVE This is a solid approach imo, and kinda jives with where my head is at with HF. Rels can have a townie-brownie. Okay let’s take a walkthrough here of the possibilities of Rels alignment 1. Rels is mafia and hf is mafia. HF stays alive for the longest amount of time, good for mafia. 2. Rels is mafia and hf is town. Mafia has like a 100% chance of winning at lylo and Rels gets cred if hf is flipped today anyway. Where are the downsides of Relsmafia! Proposing this plan?
None, but where are your 2 situations where Rels could be town?
I know full well that Rels could be mafia and just being sensible and reasonable here. I can like where his head is at and still have a little sus about him in the back of my head.
A townie-brownie is worse than Brownie-Points... which I have TO THIS DAY never been able to trade in for an actual Brownie... this disillusionment of my childhood will forever haunt me.
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Look at the facts wave, he KILLED PALMAR.
If he killed scum, I'd be willing to reconsider, but he killed a guy who not only posted very well and is actually able to make himself heard over HF, but also not scummy at all. On top of it you can be 100 % sure that mafia either piled their vote on HF or anywhere but Palmar.
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On March 07 2019 03:11 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 03:09 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 07 2019 03:03 Vivax wrote:
Keep calm and sheep confirmed town.
You're falling into the HF trap that has been haunting this forum ever since. If this is the case, sentinel should be the lynch. I have very good reason now to believe hf is town. You know as well as I do that if scumflare is lynched, it's not cause he's caught, but because ppl are rightfully afraid of him? But now you think you found the holy grail.
This is absolutely it, but in the end it comes down to the fact that we probably shouldn't be as scared of him as we are.
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On March 07 2019 03:12 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 03:09 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 07 2019 03:03 Vivax wrote:
Keep calm and sheep confirmed town.
You're falling into the HF trap that has been haunting this forum ever since. If this is the case, sentinel should be the lynch. I have very good reason now to believe hf is town. Not that I'm not happy to see you coming around, but why the sudden change of heart?
Talking with him, and then I remember something.
Later, dearies.
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You cannot lynch Holyflare for behaviour, lynch him for facts.
In my eyes he killed a supertownie massive asset to the town I've been begging everyone to make mayor before he even started playing and you don't need more.
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On March 07 2019 03:12 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 02:57 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 07 2019 02:55 Tictock wrote:On March 07 2019 02:48 Rels wrote:
this HF situation is annoying. I think he is town. I'm not as sure as rayn and rsoul seems to be, like HF is a super strong scum and could easily do whatever he's done in this game. BUT, him not shitting up the thread feels weird if he's scum. He has the potential to throw the game into chaos easily, like he did when he got red checked in ... Himalayas probably?, saying he's the best lynch while posting a lot, and he is not doing it.
Now. IF HES SCUM AND HE LIVES AND WINS. He's gonna mock me and whoever townread him forever. I know this is a ridiculous way to handle this situation but that's waht I think.
So the solution: he msut be lynched in LYLO. I won't be there to push it probably, but if he's alive in LYLO, no matter what, lynch him. IF YOURE READING THIS DURING LYLO, LYNCH HF IF HES STILL ALIVE This is a solid approach imo, and kinda jives with where my head is at with HF. Rels can have a townie-brownie. Okay let’s take a walkthrough here of the possibilities of Rels alignment 1. Rels is mafia and hf is mafia. HF stays alive for the longest amount of time, good for mafia. 2. Rels is mafia and hf is town. Mafia has like a 100% chance of winning at lylo and Rels gets cred if hf is flipped today anyway. Where are the downsides of Relsmafia! Proposing this plan? You know this argument can be applied to literally anyone in the game who doesn't currently want HF dead, right?
You also realize that I’m just saying it doesn’t make him town, not that it makes him mafia
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