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Rayn I read the acro case and by far the most damning was the Palmar thing. The rest seemed more like inconsistencies rather than scum play. I wasn't convinced by the rest, but I'm going to read his filter in a little bit and see what I think and talk to you about it.
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Yeah but if you're not going to try and help lynch other people I'm pretty sure you still want to talk about it.
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Yeah ace is town. I might just start sheeping you.
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Feels good to have you here with town. Medics protect this man.
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Holyflare you literally fake claimed and you're complaining about people lynching you.
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It's hard to take you seriously.
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On March 06 2019 09:39 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 09:38 Blazinghand wrote:
HF why did you claim a shot on me?
Here's a theory as to why HF did this. It is because he is scum.
In the Scum QT:
Holyflare: Hey guys, the deadline is coming up. We know a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and then probably claim after the daypost.
Other Scums: yeah, sounds accurate to me.
Holyflare: then Blazinghand will flip town, and i'm going to look real bad.
Other Scums: oh no!
Holyflare: ok, but here's the plan. I'm going to, right before the end of the night, with second on the clock, claim that I'm the vigi and am shooting BH.
Other Scums: why would you do this HF? we're not shooting BH...
Holflare: see, a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and I will get autolynched D2 unless I can pose as the vigi who shot him. This will allow me to get in one more mislynch, as people will trust me. If the real vigi counterclaims, that's still a better situation than if I never claimed in the first place and just let myself get autolynched.
Other Scums: good idea
Then, for some reason, I didn't get shot, and now HF has to just pretend he never claimed he was shooting me I just wanted to create added deadline tension.
On March 06 2019 09:41 Holyflare wrote:
If you can find me a game where I haven't done the exact same thing at night as town then you can have your victory BH.
On March 08 2019 04:55 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2019 04:31 Blazinghand wrote:On March 08 2019 04:30 Holyflare wrote:On March 08 2019 04:21 Acrofales wrote:On March 08 2019 04:11 Jockmcplop wrote:On March 08 2019 04:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
oh btw from now on i am gonna be a little bitch and report all "offences" to hosts because they can be hurstful to a soul of some person..... so no swearing, no anything else. inbetween tl rules you idiots. i am done with me getting all the shit for nothing. You know what always cheers me up? Sifaka lemurs: + Show Spoiler +Look at em. Lovely things. That did cheer me up  Lets go back to this: On March 07 2019 22:41 Jockmcplop wrote:On March 07 2019 22:37 Acrofales wrote:On March 07 2019 22:32 Jockmcplop wrote:I'm leaning heavily towards a scum read on BH right now. The more he posts the more scummy his motivations seem to be. His attacks on hf look as if he has made them up on the spot in an effort to try and paint hf as mafia, rather than coming to natural conclusions about hf from available evidence. The best example of this is the following post: On March 06 2019 09:38 Blazinghand wrote:
HF why did you claim a shot on me?
Here's a theory as to why HF did this. It is because he is scum.
In the Scum QT:
Holyflare: Hey guys, the deadline is coming up. We know a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and then probably claim after the daypost.
Other Scums: yeah, sounds accurate to me.
Holyflare: then Blazinghand will flip town, and i'm going to look real bad.
Other Scums: oh no!
Holyflare: ok, but here's the plan. I'm going to, right before the end of the night, with second on the clock, claim that I'm the vigi and am shooting BH.
Other Scums: why would you do this HF? we're not shooting BH...
Holflare: see, a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and I will get autolynched D2 unless I can pose as the vigi who shot him. This will allow me to get in one more mislynch, as people will trust me. If the real vigi counterclaims, that's still a better situation than if I never claimed in the first place and just let myself get autolynched.
Other Scums: good idea
Then, for some reason, I didn't get shot, and now HF has to just pretend he never claimed he was shooting me This is pure speculation and I like how creative it is, but it is not evidence. He then refers back to this as 'compelling' a few posts later, but as we can see it isn't compelling its a rather badly shoehorned piece of fiction, designed to create an mirage. On March 06 2019 18:31 Blazinghand wrote:Whatever the particulars of the bad Palmar scumread, I still think this is easily the most compelling reason for the HF scum case: On March 06 2019 09:38 Blazinghand wrote:
HF why did you claim a shot on me?
Here's a theory as to why HF did this. It is because he is scum.
In the Scum QT:
Holyflare: Hey guys, the deadline is coming up. We know a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and then probably claim after the daypost.
Other Scums: yeah, sounds accurate to me.
Holyflare: then Blazinghand will flip town, and i'm going to look real bad.
Other Scums: oh no!
Holyflare: ok, but here's the plan. I'm going to, right before the end of the night, with second on the clock, claim that I'm the vigi and am shooting BH.
Other Scums: why would you do this HF? we're not shooting BH...
Holflare: see, a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and I will get autolynched D2 unless I can pose as the vigi who shot him. This will allow me to get in one more mislynch, as people will trust me. If the real vigi counterclaims, that's still a better situation than if I never claimed in the first place and just let myself get autolynched.
Other Scums: good idea
Then, for some reason, I didn't get shot, and now HF has to just pretend he never claimed he was shooting me HF has largely abandoned his provably false ideas of "well, I couldn't change the mayor lynch" given the way the mayor lynch is received mechanically and the fact he was in thread and watched and commented on the shenannnies as they went down. Just for killing Palmar is he scum? eh, maybe not. But for lying about it, then slithering away from the lie when called out? oh yeah baby Ok, so what is the point of town!HF to claim a fake vig shot? I didn't incorporate it in my case, because it's mostly wifom, but I really don't see it: 1. He made a big play and it backfired spectacularly. 2. He makes another big play just for shit and giggles? WTF? Now, lets say BH had gotten vig'd. We'd have a townie counterclaiming the vig shot, and today would have been an even bigger shitshow. Lynch all liars is a damned good policy for a reason, because even if townies *do* do this kind of stupid shit, it is blatantly anti-town play. And the *second* time HF does a big anti-town play in the same damn game. That's true, but doesn't say anything about the point I am making. This story BH is telling is meaningless, as if he needed something completely made up to emphasize his argument for some reason. Also, if we are lynching people for anti-town play, what about the whole of D1/N1 from BH? Blatant anti-town play that has no upside or no possible upside for town. You say BH is scummy for making up a narrative. While the narrative is of course pure speculation, it's just a funny way of presenting the problem here: FACT: HF claimed vigilante FACT: HF is not a vigilante CONCLUSION: HF fakeclaimed vigilante. So there are two options: HF is town and fakeclaimed vigilante, or HF is scum and fakeclaimed vigilante. You seem to lean towards it being town!HF fakeclaiming vigilante, because in his own words, he was adding "suspense" around the daypost. I mean.. sure, he has shown so far that HF only really cares about HF, so he might just have done it for the shit of it, but you ignored the whole conundrum of my post earlier. How do you explain town!HF not even thinking that there was a real vig that would really shoot BH? I mean... who cares if there was a real vig? I could just rescind my claim or get killed which, again, would make my position a 1 for 1 trade if I survived somehow (which I wouldn't in this case) which I would never like. You've mentioned a few times that you've provided evidence that you do this kind of last second fakeclaim as town and have done so before - can you link to a game or state the name of a game in which you did this? https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/531261-medic-mafia?page=7#121https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/527379-newbie-student-mafia-xxvii?page=70#1387This is just in like my last few games iirc and one of those I didn't claim because someone else beat claiming a role first. I've claimed cops with a red check, I've claimed vig shots, I've counter claimed blues, I do whatever I please my friend. There was even a game where I red checked glowingbear and I wasn't a cop and he flipped town because I was sure he was mafia. SL was in that game and said the same things "+ev to lynch hf bla bla". Same shit, different game.
(justifying what you did by reference to other fake claims)
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Honestly I wasn't even certain you were mafia but when you say dumb objectively false things like "who said I was fake claiming" it becomes painfully obvious.
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Like come on WoS, are we really not going to lynch someone who gets caught in an obvious lies like this?
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I don't think they're mafia. I'm just stating a fact that if two of the best players in the game are still alive by day four and haven't been shot three nights in a row there's probably a reason why. It's a hypothetical future, not a current view.
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On March 09 2019 06:14 Vivax wrote:This is all a ploy by WoS to be the one and only to drive a knife through the actual hive of scum and villainy. ![[image loading]](https://s3.amazonaws.com/thumbnails.illustrationsource.com/huge.98.494926.JPG)
I keep looking at this picture. The red-haired guy's head doesn't look like it's actually part of his body and it's like a headless guy carrying that head in his arms.
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That would be soooooo funny if the date was wrong though.
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How did everything go Onegu? Are you feeling okay?
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On March 07 2019 18:26 Blazinghand wrote:
Yeah, it would be pretty ballsy to make as scum. Also, I'm probably one of the best scum players on TL Mafia - or I was back in the day, anyways. I'm just a decent town player, mostly skilled in avoiding getting lynched (which is actually a useful skill!) and driving discussion, typically. But as scum I've pulled all kinds of stunts. Once, I pretended that I was moving to a different house, put stuff in boxes and took photos of it, and people let it slide that I wasn't active for a full day. I'm a complete bastard. I'm pretty amazing.
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On March 09 2019 07:02 WaveofShadow wrote:
Nobody commenting on that Pandain thing huh?
Meh. Dudes scum anyway probabky not worth the out of thread speculation/shitshow
See above habeebee.
I was sort of going you a pass for tonight because I tend to think very active posters are town, but this + your hard scum read on me (what have I done negative or positive anyway?) makes me going to have to go hard through your filter when I wake up.
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Great job vig but you missed someone important too.
##Shoot Holyflare
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Holyflare was a great shot even after the night kills. So what BC pushed for him and ended up being scum? Do you think scum never pushes for other scum?
Given the same exact scenario I would do it again. I refuse to feel bad about shooting someone who fake claimed, then lied and suggested he never fake claimed.
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Honestly I also think his flip would tell us alot. Can't help but think mafia would try to vote HF day 1 if they knew he was going to shoot Palmar.
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On March 05 2019 01:16 kitaman27 wrote:
Day One Vote Count
Mayor
Holyflare (10): Tubesock, Alakaslam, Holyflare, rsoultin, Ace, Mr. Wiggles, BloodyC0bbler, Jockmcplop, Mocsta, [UoN]Sentinel
Palmar (8): Palmar, Ticktock, Meapak_Zipphh, Acrofales, Vivax, WaveofShadow, Grackaroni, Conversion
Here were the votes when it was closest and scum most likely to try and push holyflare to victory. No way they would miss an opportunity to have one town member lynch another strong town member. I think probably 3-4 mafia on that list.
I'm pretty tired now but when I wake up I'm going to examine those above on holyflare.
I don't at all agree with stupid host wifom to decide who to lynch.
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I'll also note four confirmed town on the palmar wagon at this point, which lends credence to my view.
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