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On March 17 2019 04:48 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2019 04:41 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On March 17 2019 04:30 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 17 2019 04:28 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Crimson bandit Oatsmaster calls in with the following: On March 17 2019 03:03 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 17 2019 01:17 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Desperate likely-mafioso Oatsmaster write in with the following nasty bit of slander: On March 16 2019 17:16 Oatsmaster wrote:Wriggles is mafiaLets start with this post On March 15 2019 11:56 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
In recent news, suspected mafia accomplice Onegu has claimed the role of 3rd Party Survivor. Your host is pleased that their read of 'not-town' turned out correct. However, there still remains the matter of determining the absolute truth in this case.
We are not sure that it made sense for Onegu to claim 3rd party at night. There's no threat of lynch at that point, and it is doubtful scum would shoot them given the general suspicion surrounding their business in the town. So, what's the point of the claim at that time? Is it because the claim had been previously planned by scum and they were nervous in wanting to post after the lynch? Time will tell. This is yet another point added to a growing pile of inconsistencies surrounding Onegu's claimed allegiance.
Now, if our listeners would indulge us as we take a trip down a line of inquiry smelling of fine wine, we can theorise as to the possible scum motivations of Onegu's claim.
From the reads stated in calls to the show, Onegu was widely regarded as being a good lynch candidate and a likely member of Liquidia's most notorious crime family. Without a doubt, the pressure would have been on today. So, claiming 3rd party at this point allows Onegu to take himself out of the pool of suspects and buy more time. Given that town is likely on the brink of failure and needs to lynch correctly several times in a row (see professor Acrofales' excellent analysis) this provides benefit to scum since town will now be looking into their weaker reads, where the chance of mislynch is higher. Given that town's reads are likely to become more accurate over time, this gives a higher chance of success for scum than if we had simply proceeded with the Onegu lynch directly.
With this being said, we are still evaluating how to handle Onegu. He is surely not a member of our town, but is he a threat? After the events of last night, we may have a sure lock on another scum candidate, so this question can probably be put on the back burner for now.
We think it may be in our best interest to lynch him if we find ourselves in muddy waters in the next few cycles, but we can likely leave him be for today. he doesnt really entertain the idea that Onegu is mafia fakeclaiming 3p seriously, instead wanting to take the claim at face value but like he isnt suspicious at all. Instead, its a really long part of fluff that basically says "meh hes probably survivor for no reason and I dont want to lynch him today" scummy Your host does seriously entertain that Onegu can be scum, which is why the bulk of the above transcript is devoted to the idea that the claim doesn't make much sense for a real 3P and that there is definite scum motivation to make that claim. We think he's more likely scum than survivor, but on the chance he is survivor, we'd rather not give scum essentially a free round of night kills. Given Professor Acrofales' analysis, we need to lynch into scum multiple times with no mislynches. We'd rather not take the chance on Onegu when we believe there are other scum to lynch who we feel just as strongly on. That's the whole point about if our reads aren't great coming in to the second or third scum lynch we can kill him then, since the expected value works out. On March 15 2019 12:02 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Suspected criminal mastermind Oatsmaster calls in with the following question: On March 15 2019 11:43 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 15 2019 11:41 darthfoley wrote:
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Lol he didn't vote me because he redchecked me. He didn't even check me. He's voted me because I haven't given a shit about this game and been wrong one more time than he has (I wasn't on the Sent wagon). Lynching me in LYLO for silly reasons would however, cap off this shit show of a town Why is it lylo? We would direct their attention to the two recent journal articles published by esteemed citizen Professor Acrofales in the Liquidia Journal of Criminology: On March 14 2019 17:54 Acrofales wrote:
Tomorrow there's going to be 15 ppl alive if the KP stays the same. Pretty sure if you don't lynch scum, it's over:
Formula 1: #scum/2 rounded up (traitor doesn't count)
10 town vs 5 scum
Lynch scum, kill 2 town: 8v4
Lynch scum, kill 2 town: 6v3
Lynch scum, kill 1 town: 5v2
Breathing space: town bought themselves a final mislynch.
If you lynch town:
Lynch town, kill 3 town: 6v5
Lynch scum, kill 2 town: 4v4 and it's over.
So HAVE TO kill 3 scum in a row.
Formula 2: flat 3 KP, unknown number of mafia:
15-X vs X
Lynch scum, kill 3 town: 12 - X vs X - 1.
Lynch scum, kill 3 town: 9 - X vs X - 2.
Lynch scum, kill 3 town: 6 - X vs X - 3.
Lunch scum, kill 3 town??? 3- X vs X - 4.
This obviously cannot continue and the last scum must be dead here, so X <= 4 in this scenario.
X < 4 would make the scumread too small for the game, IMHO. So balance says that scum should be exactly 4 here, and to win, town needs to kill all scum in a row, starting now.
So what I'll do tonight is give you a list of the 4 scummiest shits and you lynch them in order. If KP stays 3, then you are in the bottom scenario and every day is lylo. If you're in the top scenario, you can take a brief breath after killing the three scummers.
Obviously I'm expecting to be dead tomorrow, but maybe there's a backup medic. Who knows. On March 15 2019 03:41 Acrofales wrote:Time for setup speculation part 2, now with 3p! I looked over onegu's filter and most of my reasons for scumreading him is his utter disinterest in finding scum. That is totally explainable as 3p. However, it's also totally explainable as scum. So here goes: If onegu is scum, see my previous post, and you just gotta kill him. If onegu is a survivor: Formula 1, nothing changes, except that instead of it being 5v2 after lynching 3 scum, its 4v2v1. Imho, always lynch onegu at this point, unless you caught a 4th scummer redhanded doing scummy-as-fuck stuff. Otherwise, you can't distinguish between 5v2 and 4v2v1, and lynching town in the 4v2v1 situation means town loses. Lynching the claimed 3p is a "safe play". He is definitely not town, as town doesn't claim 3p unless they want to lose the game, and he might just be scum trying to escape. Note that it isn't safe to lynch onegu the 3p *before* you get down to the single NK in this formula. Formula 2: Without a medic, we have already lost: 14-X vs X vs 1 11-X vs X - 1 vs 1 8-X vs X - 2 vs 1 5 - X vs X - 3 vs 1 If X = 4 this is endgame. So either FF blows up a scummer with a bomb (meaning scum are a bunch of fricking idiots) or we still have a medic floating about. In either case, if we get the medic save, it is never safe to lynch onegu the 3p. It is always necessary to lynch onegu the scum. At some point town is gonna have to decide what onegu is.
Onegu the SK. This scenario just seems really really unlikely. Non-compulsive SKs are such a broken role that I don't think we got one. Which means that *either* the SK stacked KP 3 times, for which we only have circumstantial evidence on N1, or the scumteam has only 2 KP. Neither of these scenarios seems likely at all. So I'd rule out this scenario. Moreover, I actually checked the OP, and it says: The town's win condition:
The town wins when all mafia are eliminated. This seems pretty clearcut. There is no malevolent 3p in the game, or this wincon wouldn't work. So onegu is not an SK. Your hosts at the Dead Zone Show tend to agree with this analysis, and at least the general sentiment that we must try our hardest to lynch into scum. There should be no more talk of throw-away lynches to thin lurkers or bad players at this point. waste of time post If that post that took a minute to write was a waste of time, what does that make your question? Please read the thread in the future, and you won't need to waste so much of other people's time. =/ On March 15 2019 12:20 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Ever-faithful listener and #1 Dead Zone Show fan LightningStrike calls in with the following question: On March 15 2019 11:40 LightningStrike wrote:
Dear Faithful host:
What you make of Moscta's claim and actions from today?
Sincerely, LS We're still trying to wrap our heads around the claim. We agree on the general scumminess of darthfoley and will be voting there as we figure out the rest of the day. We'll be interested in seeing any letter addressed from Professor Acrofales regarding the target of today's lynch. During the night cycle he argued strongly that we need to lynch Oatsmaster, and we'd like to see some more reasoning for that target compared to df. Now for the claim itself, we're not sure whether we believe it. There was some weirdness, a so-called 'ploy', around last night's check. Similarly, the timing of the claim was odd. Why post a claim with almost the full night ahead so that scum can decide whether to shoot you? mocsta was around for just before the flips, so that would have been the more logical time for the claim to come out. The scum motivation for this would be if we're in a do or die situation like the Professor pointed out, and df is town. This would cement a scum victory if we followed the claimed check blindly. On the other hand, we have been reading mocsta as town, and historically they have acted quite compulsively. From that perspective, your hosts are pondering whether a town mocsta would try to fake claim to ensure they got the lynch they wanted. We haven't followed their past career closely enough to know if this is something they would do, but it does seem possible. The alternative is that we're over-thinking this and mocsta really does moonlight as a private eye, but overall the claim needs to be clarified since something smells off to us here at the show. okay so this post, right before this wriggles seems to "know" that df is mafia with a lot of confidence On March 15 2019 12:03 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Though, on reflection, is that a slip from our red friend DarthFoley?  right so like its a joke but that comes from no question at all that he thinks DF is mafia because of the red check from mocsta In the post analyzing mocsta, he states that the claim is off but he doesnt commit to a read on mocsta because of that and that seems to me like a lot of hedging kinda seeing where the town read him and then commit to that read. Like he basically says "shrug, i dunno its weird, dont look at me i dont know". Again, another post that looks good but says absolutely nothing. Im just gonna stop here for now, but throughout his filter, theres a lack of like interest to actually get the people he thinks is scum lynched. He kinda waffles a bit, plays a bit of mentor advice role but legitimately just hides in the shadows. His show is just a way to fluff up his posts, and if you notice, for the most part he doesnt actually progress anything in his show. Its basically him answering some questions and peacing out. So he is putting his opinion in the thread but not actually using it for any reason whatsoever to look townie. Theres a reason Palmar wanted him to die. this is the lynch for today ##vote wrigglesWe have a town read on mocsta, which if you don't know that seems to go back to not actually following the show very closely. This read was made before the cop claim came out. That post details that despite the claim, we still thought mocsta was a member of our fair town. There could be mafia motivation to the claim, but based on our earlier read and the inconsistencies in the claim, we thought it was some sort of ploy to get people behind a DF lynch. As for the last point, outside of weekends we have only a few hours to actively post in the evening. This also happens to be when a lot of people are away or asleep, thus the title of the show. We're playing the game by trying to advance reads, comment on current events, and basically be an open book to any question we're asked in our fan mail. If we don't look like we're pushing lynches that's because we're not, in the sense that we can't be around to spam "lynch X" for the four hours before the lynch. If people don't read the thread or want to remember what was written further back than a few hours ago, we can't really do anything about that. The claim needs to be verified because something smells fishy, means that you thought its some sort of ploy from town? Your words and your explanation afterwards don’t make sense. I really don’t care why you decided that this format is how you want to interact with the game, I care that you come in, answer some questions and then not use any time at all to promote your lynch targets. There’s no proactivity in your play, it’s all reactive. Like it’s actually literally all reactive. Which is extremely scummy because you want to blend in and make sure that you react appropriately and not take risks in being proactive Oats doesn't like reading, or more likely is scum lying through their teeth, so here's the quote from the original post: "On the other hand, we have been reading mocsta as town, and historically they have acted quite compulsively. From that perspective, your hosts are pondering whether a town mocsta would try to fake claim to ensure they got the lynch they wanted. We haven't followed their past career closely enough to know if this is something they would do, but it does seem possible." This came out before mocsta admitted to the fake claim. We've been pro-active in some ways for this game. We've been the only one who was really pushing your scum buddy Tubesock until the last lynch cycle. We were also one of the few people taking heat off of people we had town reads on by dismantling the shoddy and clumsy cases being made against them. Too bad this didn't work for Chezinu, but let's look at the wagon, shall we? Take your pick of Pandain or Onegu for scum: On March 14 2019 08:00 Dandel Ion wrote:
Day Four final Vote Count
Chezinu (7): Onegu, Rels, sicklucker, darthfoley, Grackaroni, LighningStrike, Vivax
Tubesock (7): Mocsta, Mr. Wiggles, Jockmcplop, Chezinu, Fecalfeast, Acrofales, Alakaslam
Onegu (3): Meapak_Ziphh, ExO_, Pandain
Meapak_Ziphh (1): Oatsmaster
Oatsmaster (1): tubesock
Not voting (0):
Actually, Chezinu is lynched.
Please let us know if you notice any mistakes. The deadline is Wednesday, Mar 13 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in . We've got half the scum team pushing Chez, and then your buddy about to get lynched voting you uselessly instead of doing anything to help town. You summed up your post on mocsta with that line so im talking about that line. Not the rest of the literal waffle in your post. I wasnt in thread when chez got all those votes anyway, when I left it was 7 tube 4 onegu 3 chez 2 mz stop saying that makes me scum because i wasnt there You introduced the word fishy, scum. "The alternative is that we're over-thinking this and mocsta really does moonlight as a private eye, but overall the claim needs to be clarified since something smells off to us here at the show." Of course mocsta needs to clarify the claim, because he claimed two different checks! It smells off, because it was probably a fake claim. Then guess what? mocsta came in and said it was a fake claim, claim clarified! DFs not happening, so you'll do. Die. Im sorry, this is what I actually said Show nested quote +he doesnt commit to a read on mocsta because of that and that seems to me like a lot of hedging kinda seeing where the town read him and then commit to that read. Like he basically says "shrug, i dunno its weird, dont look at me i dont know". Again, another post that looks good but says absolutely nothing.
smells off == smells fishy, same parlance. I feel like you are trying to twist what I said to fit your narrative. This omgus push is nice though
I read you as scum last cycle, but wanted to flip DF first.
What I said is pretty unambiguous, and now you're floundering because I'm quoting instead of going with your paraphrasing
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On March 17 2019 04:51 Oatsmaster wrote:
I just want to point out that Wriggles coming hard on me here is 100% mafia play who knows that their only way out of today is to push the lynch on me as hard as possible and since townie looking people have already certified this style of play, aka acro, they dont look weird
Oats looking for literally any other lynch is 100% mafia who knows that a mislynch is the same thing as mafia victory. He doesn't care about how he looks coming out of this because if he kamikazes into me scum win
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On March 17 2019 04:55 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2019 04:53 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On March 17 2019 04:48 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 17 2019 04:41 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On March 17 2019 04:30 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 17 2019 04:28 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Crimson bandit Oatsmaster calls in with the following: On March 17 2019 03:03 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 17 2019 01:17 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Desperate likely-mafioso Oatsmaster write in with the following nasty bit of slander: On March 16 2019 17:16 Oatsmaster wrote:Wriggles is mafiaLets start with this post On March 15 2019 11:56 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
In recent news, suspected mafia accomplice Onegu has claimed the role of 3rd Party Survivor. Your host is pleased that their read of 'not-town' turned out correct. However, there still remains the matter of determining the absolute truth in this case.
We are not sure that it made sense for Onegu to claim 3rd party at night. There's no threat of lynch at that point, and it is doubtful scum would shoot them given the general suspicion surrounding their business in the town. So, what's the point of the claim at that time? Is it because the claim had been previously planned by scum and they were nervous in wanting to post after the lynch? Time will tell. This is yet another point added to a growing pile of inconsistencies surrounding Onegu's claimed allegiance.
Now, if our listeners would indulge us as we take a trip down a line of inquiry smelling of fine wine, we can theorise as to the possible scum motivations of Onegu's claim.
From the reads stated in calls to the show, Onegu was widely regarded as being a good lynch candidate and a likely member of Liquidia's most notorious crime family. Without a doubt, the pressure would have been on today. So, claiming 3rd party at this point allows Onegu to take himself out of the pool of suspects and buy more time. Given that town is likely on the brink of failure and needs to lynch correctly several times in a row (see professor Acrofales' excellent analysis) this provides benefit to scum since town will now be looking into their weaker reads, where the chance of mislynch is higher. Given that town's reads are likely to become more accurate over time, this gives a higher chance of success for scum than if we had simply proceeded with the Onegu lynch directly.
With this being said, we are still evaluating how to handle Onegu. He is surely not a member of our town, but is he a threat? After the events of last night, we may have a sure lock on another scum candidate, so this question can probably be put on the back burner for now.
We think it may be in our best interest to lynch him if we find ourselves in muddy waters in the next few cycles, but we can likely leave him be for today. he doesnt really entertain the idea that Onegu is mafia fakeclaiming 3p seriously, instead wanting to take the claim at face value but like he isnt suspicious at all. Instead, its a really long part of fluff that basically says "meh hes probably survivor for no reason and I dont want to lynch him today" scummy Your host does seriously entertain that Onegu can be scum, which is why the bulk of the above transcript is devoted to the idea that the claim doesn't make much sense for a real 3P and that there is definite scum motivation to make that claim. We think he's more likely scum than survivor, but on the chance he is survivor, we'd rather not give scum essentially a free round of night kills. Given Professor Acrofales' analysis, we need to lynch into scum multiple times with no mislynches. We'd rather not take the chance on Onegu when we believe there are other scum to lynch who we feel just as strongly on. That's the whole point about if our reads aren't great coming in to the second or third scum lynch we can kill him then, since the expected value works out. On March 15 2019 12:02 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Suspected criminal mastermind Oatsmaster calls in with the following question:
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We would direct their attention to the two recent journal articles published by esteemed citizen Professor Acrofales in the Liquidia Journal of Criminology:
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Your hosts at the Dead Zone Show tend to agree with this analysis, and at least the general sentiment that we must try our hardest to lynch into scum. There should be no more talk of throw-away lynches to thin lurkers or bad players at this point. waste of time post If that post that took a minute to write was a waste of time, what does that make your question? Please read the thread in the future, and you won't need to waste so much of other people's time. =/ On March 15 2019 12:20 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Ever-faithful listener and #1 Dead Zone Show fan LightningStrike calls in with the following question:
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We're still trying to wrap our heads around the claim. We agree on the general scumminess of darthfoley and will be voting there as we figure out the rest of the day. We'll be interested in seeing any letter addressed from Professor Acrofales regarding the target of today's lynch. During the night cycle he argued strongly that we need to lynch Oatsmaster, and we'd like to see some more reasoning for that target compared to df.
Now for the claim itself, we're not sure whether we believe it. There was some weirdness, a so-called 'ploy', around last night's check. Similarly, the timing of the claim was odd. Why post a claim with almost the full night ahead so that scum can decide whether to shoot you? mocsta was around for just before the flips, so that would have been the more logical time for the claim to come out.
The scum motivation for this would be if we're in a do or die situation like the Professor pointed out, and df is town. This would cement a scum victory if we followed the claimed check blindly.
On the other hand, we have been reading mocsta as town, and historically they have acted quite compulsively. From that perspective, your hosts are pondering whether a town mocsta would try to fake claim to ensure they got the lynch they wanted. We haven't followed their past career closely enough to know if this is something they would do, but it does seem possible.
The alternative is that we're over-thinking this and mocsta really does moonlight as a private eye, but overall the claim needs to be clarified since something smells off to us here at the show. okay so this post, right before this wriggles seems to "know" that df is mafia with a lot of confidence On March 15 2019 12:03 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Though, on reflection, is that a slip from our red friend DarthFoley? right so like its a joke but that comes from no question at all that he thinks DF is mafia because of the red check from mocsta In the post analyzing mocsta, he states that the claim is off but he doesnt commit to a read on mocsta because of that and that seems to me like a lot of hedging kinda seeing where the town read him and then commit to that read. Like he basically says "shrug, i dunno its weird, dont look at me i dont know". Again, another post that looks good but says absolutely nothing. Im just gonna stop here for now, but throughout his filter, theres a lack of like interest to actually get the people he thinks is scum lynched. He kinda waffles a bit, plays a bit of mentor advice role but legitimately just hides in the shadows. His show is just a way to fluff up his posts, and if you notice, for the most part he doesnt actually progress anything in his show. Its basically him answering some questions and peacing out. So he is putting his opinion in the thread but not actually using it for any reason whatsoever to look townie. Theres a reason Palmar wanted him to die. this is the lynch for today ##vote wrigglesWe have a town read on mocsta, which if you don't know that seems to go back to not actually following the show very closely. This read was made before the cop claim came out. That post details that despite the claim, we still thought mocsta was a member of our fair town. There could be mafia motivation to the claim, but based on our earlier read and the inconsistencies in the claim, we thought it was some sort of ploy to get people behind a DF lynch. As for the last point, outside of weekends we have only a few hours to actively post in the evening. This also happens to be when a lot of people are away or asleep, thus the title of the show. We're playing the game by trying to advance reads, comment on current events, and basically be an open book to any question we're asked in our fan mail. If we don't look like we're pushing lynches that's because we're not, in the sense that we can't be around to spam "lynch X" for the four hours before the lynch. If people don't read the thread or want to remember what was written further back than a few hours ago, we can't really do anything about that. The claim needs to be verified because something smells fishy, means that you thought its some sort of ploy from town? Your words and your explanation afterwards don’t make sense. I really don’t care why you decided that this format is how you want to interact with the game, I care that you come in, answer some questions and then not use any time at all to promote your lynch targets. There’s no proactivity in your play, it’s all reactive. Like it’s actually literally all reactive. Which is extremely scummy because you want to blend in and make sure that you react appropriately and not take risks in being proactive Oats doesn't like reading, or more likely is scum lying through their teeth, so here's the quote from the original post: "On the other hand, we have been reading mocsta as town, and historically they have acted quite compulsively. From that perspective, your hosts are pondering whether a town mocsta would try to fake claim to ensure they got the lynch they wanted. We haven't followed their past career closely enough to know if this is something they would do, but it does seem possible." This came out before mocsta admitted to the fake claim. We've been pro-active in some ways for this game. We've been the only one who was really pushing your scum buddy Tubesock until the last lynch cycle. We were also one of the few people taking heat off of people we had town reads on by dismantling the shoddy and clumsy cases being made against them. Too bad this didn't work for Chezinu, but let's look at the wagon, shall we? Take your pick of Pandain or Onegu for scum: On March 14 2019 08:00 Dandel Ion wrote:
Day Four final Vote Count
Chezinu (7): Onegu, Rels, sicklucker, darthfoley, Grackaroni, LighningStrike, Vivax
Tubesock (7): Mocsta, Mr. Wiggles, Jockmcplop, Chezinu, Fecalfeast, Acrofales, Alakaslam
Onegu (3): Meapak_Ziphh, ExO_, Pandain
Meapak_Ziphh (1): Oatsmaster
Oatsmaster (1): tubesock
Not voting (0):
Actually, Chezinu is lynched.
Please let us know if you notice any mistakes. The deadline is Wednesday, Mar 13 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in . We've got half the scum team pushing Chez, and then your buddy about to get lynched voting you uselessly instead of doing anything to help town. You summed up your post on mocsta with that line so im talking about that line. Not the rest of the literal waffle in your post. I wasnt in thread when chez got all those votes anyway, when I left it was 7 tube 4 onegu 3 chez 2 mz stop saying that makes me scum because i wasnt there You introduced the word fishy, scum. "The alternative is that we're over-thinking this and mocsta really does moonlight as a private eye, but overall the claim needs to be clarified since something smells off to us here at the show." Of course mocsta needs to clarify the claim, because he claimed two different checks! It smells off, because it was probably a fake claim. Then guess what? mocsta came in and said it was a fake claim, claim clarified! DFs not happening, so you'll do. Die. Im sorry, this is what I actually said he doesnt commit to a read on mocsta because of that and that seems to me like a lot of hedging kinda seeing where the town read him and then commit to that read. Like he basically says "shrug, i dunno its weird, dont look at me i dont know". Again, another post that looks good but says absolutely nothing.
smells off == smells fishy, same parlance. I feel like you are trying to twist what I said to fit your narrative. This omgus push is nice though I read you as scum last cycle, but wanted to flip DF first. What I said is pretty unambiguous, and now you're floundering because I'm quoting instead of going with your paraphrasing well yes its unambiguously bad which is what I pointed out. You are sitting on the fence with mocsta going, "i dunno man its just weird thats all". What part of hard on me do you not understand?
Definitely scum. You can't read if you think "This could be scum, but I read mocsta as town and think he's fake claiming for whatever weird personal reason" is ambiguous
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Our #1 Fan (still, we hope) LightningStrike calls in with:
On March 17 2019 05:59 LightningStrike wrote:
I not liking a Oats lynch because I can normally catch him as scum Day 1/2 which I did call him town Day 1/2 so highly unlikely that he's scum honestly.
Are you trying to push the MZ lynch still? I don't agree with that one, and especially don't like your company on the wagon of df and Pandain.
Is there anything else about Oats' play that reads as town to you?
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Oats/DF/TS/Pandain is a good list of scum to lynch down to get us those few in a row we'll need. We'll need to look between Onegu, Jock, and Rels after that. Whichever one or two of those who are town need to step it up so that we can win.
Acro/Mocsta/MZ/Me will be a good town circle to solve most of the game from before the end of the next night cycle, I think.
Hopefully LS and FF come around to our side after Oats flips red
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On March 17 2019 06:40 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2019 06:37 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Oats/DF/TS/Pandain is a good list of scum to lynch down to get us those few in a row we'll need. We'll need to look between Onegu, Jock, and Rels after that. Whichever one or two of those who are town need to step it up so that we can win.
Acro/Mocsta/MZ/Me will be a good town circle to solve most of the game from before the end of the next night cycle, I think.
Hopefully LS and FF come around to our side after Oats flips red Onegu is confirmed not town.
Yeah, but if he's 3P and not scum we might not be able to lynch him without losing. I think we've got the scum team pegged pretty well after all the stuff today though
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On March 17 2019 06:39 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2019 06:28 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Our #1 Fan (still, we hope) LightningStrike calls in with: On March 17 2019 05:59 LightningStrike wrote:
I not liking a Oats lynch because I can normally catch him as scum Day 1/2 which I did call him town Day 1/2 so highly unlikely that he's scum honestly. Are you trying to push the MZ lynch still? I don't agree with that one, and especially don't like your company on the wagon of df and Pandain. Is there anything else about Oats' play that reads as town to you? He at least giving some constructive feedback this game compared to his last scum game I played with him where he just tried to snipe and not give reasons for anything really which is how I catch scum oats. Trust me on this one and vote MZ with me. His filter this game: https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/542541-end-of-the-world-party-mafia?user=OatsmasterHis last scum game i played with him: https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/529240-a-simple-game-of-mafia?user=Oatsmaster
What about MZ sticks out to you as scummy?
Oats looks like he got the most 'constructive' this day cycle because he's getting lynched.
What do you think of Oats pushing MZ hard last cycle and then straight up abandoning him for me this cycle? I think it's related to the fact that MZ didn't get traction and people said they town read MZ so Oats needed to try a different target to get a mislynch.
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On March 17 2019 06:47 ExO_ wrote:
here for the last bit...whatd I miss.
Think im just going to sheep acro
Acro cased Oats and pegged him correctly as scum. Oats decided to try to kamikaze me to win it for scum in what's probably MYLO. Bickering ensued.
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We can leave Onegu until we run out of other scum. Lynch Oats, avenge Chezinu!
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On March 17 2019 06:55 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2019 06:50 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On March 17 2019 06:39 LightningStrike wrote:On March 17 2019 06:28 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Our #1 Fan (still, we hope) LightningStrike calls in with: On March 17 2019 05:59 LightningStrike wrote:
I not liking a Oats lynch because I can normally catch him as scum Day 1/2 which I did call him town Day 1/2 so highly unlikely that he's scum honestly. Are you trying to push the MZ lynch still? I don't agree with that one, and especially don't like your company on the wagon of df and Pandain. Is there anything else about Oats' play that reads as town to you? He at least giving some constructive feedback this game compared to his last scum game I played with him where he just tried to snipe and not give reasons for anything really which is how I catch scum oats. Trust me on this one and vote MZ with me. His filter this game: https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/542541-end-of-the-world-party-mafia?user=OatsmasterHis last scum game i played with him: https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/529240-a-simple-game-of-mafia?user=Oatsmaster What about MZ sticks out to you as scummy? Oats looks like he got the most 'constructive' this day cycle because he's getting lynched. What do you think of Oats pushing MZ hard last cycle and then straight up abandoning him for me this cycle? I think it's related to the fact that MZ didn't get traction and people said they town read MZ so Oats needed to try a different target to get a mislynch. Night kills were pointing at him didn't really like my interaction with him on Day 4 I think it was. Oats was more constructive early in his filter than his entire filter in that game like I said so unless he decided to up his game for this final game compared to his last one I played with him I doubt he is scum on that. I think he gave up that push since it wasn't going anywhere and tried to look for alternatives so we can lynch scum?
Yeah, my concern with the filter is it looks like that one only went to the end of D1 when he died. I wasn't in that game, but if he got lynched on D1 I'd expect his filter to look quite a bit different just because he had to deal with trying not to get lynched or give away too much info.
If that posting style is why he got lynched D1 wouldn't he have learned to change his game as scum so he doesn't get lynched again on D1? I don't see him playing the same way again as scum if he could help it or he'd just get killed D1 again lol
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DF will be great for the next lynch.
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On March 17 2019 07:33 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2019 07:32 Mr. Wiggles wrote:DF will be great for the next lynch. Not after you flip red
I've got a noose ready just for you. I had to guess your measurements though, so it may be a little tight.
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Dear Dead Zone Show listeners, we have a situation on our hands!
Suspected scum Rels has been whispering dark things into the ear of our #1 fan LightningStrike. LightningStrike is now prepared to turn his back on the town and elope with Rels after murdering ExO_. We'll be commenting live on this situation as it develops.
Concerned citizen Meapak_Ziphh writes in:
On March 17 2019 07:51 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
LS you sound like you're in an abusive relationship with bad ideas "I know it went bad last time but THIS time it'll be different"
We agree with this. You can break if off with Rels and join the town before it's too late! Don't give in to this manipulation
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On March 17 2019 07:52 Oatsmaster wrote:
Consolidating so I won’t die
Doesn't your script say you're supposed to be reading MZ as scum anyways? 
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We need MZ to help lynch scum!
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It might be time to hang up the microphone, it seems to have brought nothing but sorrow to Liquidia...
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On March 17 2019 08:10 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2019 08:08 Acrofales wrote:
Well, I'm done with this game. My scumhunting is completely awful. I'll go join HF in the dumbass corner of this game.
If I'm still alive tomorrow I'm sheeping mocsta. Maybe sheep me?
Is it time for the fan to become the leader and the show to become the fan?
We made a mistake in not trusting you, faithful listener.
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Thanks to hosts for the game, and to everyone who took the time to play, GG!
I will say I had fun with the Dead Zone Show and interacting with everyone via it, even though I wasn't using it to find very many scum haha.
If anyone has questions about anything I did or that I can answer about the scum team, ask away
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