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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
November 01 2018 15:31 GMT
#306
Well you kinda answered that in the end but idk why you wrote that in the first place when you say yourself it doesnt make sense.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
November 01 2018 15:32 GMT
#307
My order at this point is:

Krogan
Grack
prplhz/conversion
Kitaman
Rels/byj
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
November 01 2018 16:46 GMT
#309
Because byj hasnt said anything useful at all. Literally anything. We even asked him to do something and hes still not doing anything.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
November 01 2018 16:48 GMT
#310
I mean idk byj but some people just dont play as scum and only post for sake of posting. And idk why he would act like he has as town.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
November 01 2018 22:04 GMT
#326
I am sorry i wont have time today anymore to get on computer.

I read prplhz pretty much the same way i used to read yamato. It doesnt really matter what he says but right here in this game i can see there is some sort of thought process going on in his head. Prplhz usually doesnt say much, and seems like "he doesnt care", but like... idk where it comes from, i think its because as town he has like a carrot in that he doesnt have all the information whereas as mafia that doesnt exist. My read is really hard to explain, and i am not entirely sure if he is town, but i dont think he a normal fascist. He could be hitler. Thats because as hitler you dont know your teammates so the same yhing i talked about exists there too.

Thats pretty much it. If you wanna elevt converaion instead i am okay with it.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
November 02 2018 07:09 GMT
#332
On November 02 2018 09:55 prplhz wrote:
Eh cool vote me.


On November 02 2018 09:59 prplhz wrote:
No wait a second.

Assuming that krogan told the truth about the cards, what are the odds of grack getting 1 or less liberal policies?

You don't sound very confident about yourself, or what?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
November 02 2018 11:36 GMT
#334
The problem with kitaman's list post yesterday is imo that he thinks grackaroni and conversion can be scum together. If grack is scum he wouldnt want to pick a scumbuddy into the government with him. Rels is okay if he is scum with grack, because that team is never going to pass. Well idk why grack would even call rels town if they are both scum because that can result into him being scumread for that read, but technically speaking that would be possible. That makes it, from grack pov likely, that a team with him and conversion could even pass. Why would you ever try to get your scumbuddy into a team with you as grack here?? It doesnt make any sense so logic says conversion cant be mafia with grackaroni. Yet kitaman doesnt aknowledge this at all.

There IS however a possibility that grack is hitler and just doesnt know conversion is mafia (i dont believe this for reasons -- but technically that is possible), but then again kitaman doesnr seem to be having this thought in his reads list so he doesnt seem to think so (why wouldnt you say that if you think thats the case?).

Thats why i find his reads list very lacking of actual analysis and kinda bs.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
November 02 2018 14:04 GMT
#337
On November 01 2018 23:37 kitaman27 wrote:
[....]picking Rels or conversion seems like the easiest path to rig the deck as president and then pass blame to your scummy looking choice. It does seem unlikely that grack would want to pair himself with another facist early on in the game however so I probably need to do some adjusting of my bottom three, either by moving grack up or replacing conversion/rels with someone else.

No you dont. You group Rels/Conversion both into the same category and dont come to any conclusion. Thats different from what i said.

You do the same thing in one of your later posts too.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
November 02 2018 14:06 GMT
#338
On November 02 2018 00:57 kitaman27 wrote:


I think facist grack + liberal Rels or facist grack + liberal Conversion could make sense, but isn't as likely as liberal grack + facist rels or liberal grack + facist Conversion. I guess it's a moot point, since I would fail a group with rels or conversion regardless of gracks involvement.
[/QUOTE]
Here is the other post.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
November 02 2018 14:07 GMT
#339
Fucked up quotes. Never gonna quote anytjinh on phone anymore.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
November 02 2018 14:13 GMT
#342
I aisi have absolutely zero idea how anyone could ever think byj is even remotely townie, so that read of yours sounds like bs. Unless you have some extremely through meta-analysis.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
November 02 2018 14:14 GMT
#343
On November 02 2018 23:08 kitaman27 wrote:
That was directed at conversion.

lolol yeah i started reading and was lile wtf. :D :D
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
November 02 2018 16:15 GMT
#376
On November 02 2018 23:35 Grackaroni wrote:
After lots of paranoia I'm actually going to vote NO on this team.

I don't trust the way Rayn/HK are both pushing the idea that the scum team is just the two lurkers byj/rels, even though neither of them have done anything specifically scummy, and I think that probably one of Rayn/HK will be scum.

I'm uneasy about the fact that it doesn't seem like I can pass the team that I actually think is town in Me/conversion, but this team is already set to pass between Rayn/HK/prplhz/Conversion voting yes.

Also, despite actually posting, Prplhz isn't showing any sign of thinking about people's alignments and I don't like that rather than trying to evaluate my alignment he posts this nonsense:

Show nested quote +
On November 02 2018 09:59 prplhz wrote:
No wait a second.

Assuming that krogan told the truth about the cards, what are the odds of grack getting 1 or less liberal policies?

Show nested quote +
On November 02 2018 10:00 prplhz wrote:
I think it's acceptable if we already discarded 1L and 2F.


I feel pretty uneasy about this atm so instead I'm going to try to push through Conversion's team. And I actually feel a bit better about Kitaman for the post questioning why byj is scummy, so I'm ok with trying Kitaman's team as a fallback.


I dont think its a good idea because even if one of us is scum you either out prplhz or he enacts liberal, or president gets FFF in which case you always wanna bd presiddnt yourself (if youre town).

I also think your argument on byj/rels is just dumb because based on meta apparently there is no information on byj, and for both of them -- people who do scummy things are usually scum.

Conversion will pick you most likely so for that part i dont care if you downvote the team. I just dont think Conversion's team is gonna be accepted. And if we have scum president to lead government its harder to figure out who is lying.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
November 02 2018 18:41 GMT
#383
If this government gets passed you can elect me/hk, conversion.

Prplhz any reads? Why is grack scum?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
November 02 2018 20:40 GMT
#390
On November 03 2018 03:55 Conversion wrote:
sorry-- I meant to say if this government doesn't get passed, I still think I can't vote you or HK

That's true.

Grackaroni i would like you to vote yes. I am -- like you -- more certain of conversion being town than prplhz but i really think this is a correct way to do this. Worst case scenario you get FFF (which also conversion will if you reject). Second worse scenario is prplhz is scum, but then you will have 1v1 against him. Third worse scenario, he elects liberal (or is town)....

Meh.. if you think Conversion is town, then you should vote yes now. Always unless you are completely sure prplhz is mafia.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
November 02 2018 20:52 GMT
#395
On November 03 2018 04:48 prplhz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2018 03:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If this government gets passed you can elect me/hk, conversion.

Prplhz any reads? Why is grack scum?

Uh, I think he started the whole mess about me and kita but then he sort of slipped out of it and just stood on the sidelines.

I dont understand what mess is that?
He made a post about probabilities that I sort of disagreed with and looked like he was just spreading chaos.

Which post?

His posting style has some sort of straight forwardsness to it that I associate with townies so that's good.


I don't like how he's treating this election this though, voting no to himself, but you should still elect me.

This happened after you implied he is mafia (aka when he chose you as his chancellor-

I don't have a ton of reads, I kind of like krogan but that's it. I'm equally uncertain about you and kita, Conversion seems to actively attempt to lose this game, I don't know if Rels always acts like this? Like he doesn't player D1 and then he doesn't really play D2 and then he complains on D3 or something. byj sort of slipped under the radar with me but kita pointed out some meta about him and tons of people play like this as town.

I was uncertain about Grackaroni and Conversion (which was part of the reason I voted for krogan and you) but I thought I'd figure out kita a bit better before long so I might be able to vote for his government but that's not really happening.

Do you think i would enact fascist policy if i was mafia? Why do you think that's the case?

Rels doesn't always act like this. Rels can be afk and shit and get lynched for it, but my point on rels is he doesnt even try to do anything. The point on grack and krogan he posted on D1 was like... meeeeehhh... Usually Rels even tries to do some shit when he is town regardless of how much tim he has, but the "grack and krogan look town because they tried to figure out hitler". It is really so mehhh... Also i think Rels would want to pass the first mission if he even remotely thinks krogan is town because that results in liberal from me, or him being possibly able to identify me as mafia (which he would REALLY REALLY like to do if he is town -- look i know this is a fact because i know rels personally).

Meta on byj doesnt say shit because it is just one game and if a person plays "like this" as town there is zero reason to assume it makes him town, because people WHO DO SCUMMY SHIT ARE USUALLY SCUM! Idk, in a normal game i would always lynch someone who plays like this, so i am sorry i just cant think he is town because i dont have any reason to.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
November 02 2018 20:53 GMT
#396
On November 03 2018 05:41 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2018 05:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 03 2018 03:55 Conversion wrote:
sorry-- I meant to say if this government doesn't get passed, I still think I can't vote you or HK

That's true.

Grackaroni i would like you to vote yes. I am -- like you -- more certain of conversion being town than prplhz but i really think this is a correct way to do this. Worst case scenario you get FFF (which also conversion will if you reject). Second worse scenario is prplhz is scum, but then you will have 1v1 against him. Third worse scenario, he elects liberal (or is town)....

Meh.. if you think Conversion is town, then you should vote yes now. Always unless you are completely sure prplhz is mafia.

??? If you're more sure of Conv than prp, you should tell him to vote NO and get Conv / Grack next round.

no this is suntrue.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
November 02 2018 21:05 GMT
#406
On November 03 2018 06:00 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2018 05:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 03 2018 05:41 Rels wrote:
On November 03 2018 05:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 03 2018 03:55 Conversion wrote:
sorry-- I meant to say if this government doesn't get passed, I still think I can't vote you or HK

That's true.

Grackaroni i would like you to vote yes. I am -- like you -- more certain of conversion being town than prplhz but i really think this is a correct way to do this. Worst case scenario you get FFF (which also conversion will if you reject). Second worse scenario is prplhz is scum, but then you will have 1v1 against him. Third worse scenario, he elects liberal (or is town)....

Meh.. if you think Conversion is town, then you should vote yes now. Always unless you are completely sure prplhz is mafia.

??? If you're more sure of Conv than prp, you should tell him to vote NO and get Conv / Grack next round.

no this is suntrue.

enlighten me then

I think Conversion is town and then look at the president queue.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
November 02 2018 21:38 GMT
#426
Idk i am pretty sure purplehaze is town.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
November 02 2018 21:40 GMT
#428
On November 03 2018 06:13 happykrogan wrote:
I may change my vote to no.
prplhz listening stuff why Grack is scummy after he got elected at chancellor seems like setting up a 1v1 after a scum policy gets enacted.
Just realized that.

How does this actually happen? Assuming ofc this team gets voted down.
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