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On October 21 2018 06:47 byj wrote:
13 minutes left, anybody up for some last minute vote switching then?
at least this is something towny to say
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I would never claim if I was anything.
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but that's an incredibly twisted logic thing to say
you either thiink I'm towny or worth more than the 6 million people that have said 0 words or you think I'm actually mafia and vote me
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I'm just going to ignore my gut that something is wrong with byj and say he's town based off of wanting a vote switch and vote whoever else that is possible.
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On October 21 2018 06:47 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2018 06:25 Holyflare wrote:On October 21 2018 06:13 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
##Vote: Holyflare
Doesn't cite his sources On October 21 2018 04:47 Holyflare wrote:On October 21 2018 03:58 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On October 21 2018 03:52 Holyflare wrote:
sentinel: awkward entry [citation needed] Teamliquid.net. (2018). [M][N] Bebop Mafia - Page 5. [online] Available at: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/538135-bebop-mafia?page=5#84 [Accessed 20 Oct. 2018]. Think you're missing something really. I don't accept circular references. Or smug assertions. I actually agree with this: Show nested quote +On October 21 2018 04:13 byj wrote:
hard to say anything before the first flip, especially with nobody talking And since you're the only one talking, and I have no idea who scum is, the best thing I can do is keep my vote on you to keep you talking.
This is also absolute madness that nobody is talking and you'd rather vote the person that IS talking over literally everybody else when you yourself say because nobody is talking it's hard to know who to vote.
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On October 21 2018 06:57 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2018 06:55 Holyflare wrote:On October 21 2018 06:47 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On October 21 2018 06:25 Holyflare wrote:On October 21 2018 06:13 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
##Vote: Holyflare
Doesn't cite his sources On October 21 2018 04:47 Holyflare wrote:On October 21 2018 03:58 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On October 21 2018 03:52 Holyflare wrote:
sentinel: awkward entry [citation needed] Teamliquid.net. (2018). [M][N] Bebop Mafia - Page 5. [online] Available at: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/538135-bebop-mafia?page=5#84 [Accessed 20 Oct. 2018]. Think you're missing something really. I don't accept circular references. Or smug assertions. I actually agree with this: On October 21 2018 04:13 byj wrote:
hard to say anything before the first flip, especially with nobody talking And since you're the only one talking, and I have no idea who scum is, the best thing I can do is keep my vote on you to keep you talking. This is also absolute madness that nobody is talking and you'd rather vote the person that IS talking over literally everybody else when you yourself say because nobody is talking it's hard to know who to vote. You only started talking after you were set to be lynched
and yet your vote is still on me
and also that's not true because I've technically made the only post in the game that's worth anything before I started talking again
can you see any case on anyone in this game? have you even given a reason for voting me?
not really at all
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would much rather vote ruxxar but I'm still dead and it's all your fault
cheers
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On October 23 2018 10:12 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2018 09:39 byj wrote:On October 23 2018 08:55 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On October 23 2018 08:22 byj wrote:Zzz, guess it's time for me to go sleep again... and wake up to an empty thread  What are your thoughts on my effortpost + Show Spoiler +I agree with you on DF, Koshi and prplhz, but I got no clue about ruXxar. I hate to say it, but it made you seem less scummy. But still what you said after the lynch makes you seem so scummy... even riding onto another lynch with HF is something beneficial for Scum I'd say, and something I'd do. Assuming you get it you have the chance to upgrade from a VT to a power role, and once pressed about changing the vote you could argue that it's because you think that HF was town - and thus implying lynch votes onto you are misdirected and should be onto HF if they really think he's scum... maybe I'm reading way too much into it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Guess I'll go to sleep for real now, looking forward to hearing from you Koshi and ruXxar My D1 plan was pretty simple: 1) Lynch any good source of information. Especially in a game this inactive I have absolutely no idea who's town and who's scum (most of) D1. Whoever we lynch, hopefully it's contentious enough that we get different wagons. Maybe even if we lynched Palmar in absentia (like over the course of the day, not rapidly at the end), we would've had a productive conversation about it.
BUT lynching someone like HF who has said a lot of stuff will give us lots of information. If we lynch Palmar he has said nothing and the fact that he is town gives us no additional information (besides how people voted and why). If we lynch HF we get all that and we get to see lots of confirmed town posts. If he turned out to be scum we just stopped scum from running the thread in their frame.And you might ask "why didn't you lynch your scum reads instead?" which is the ideal town strat right? Right now my most probable scumteam is ruXxar and darthfoley. I would have no idea besides a very light suspicion on DF that those two were scum. Probably someone else would be an idiot or I'd somehow convince myself Koshi was scum and I'd get a towny lynched even if I had my way. 2) Get a wagon on me. First of all mafia is way more fun when everyone is talking about you. But second from my perspective I had no idea what to make of the game so I wanted to reduce the number of variables. Towns generally give more risky and more substantial arguments for lynching someone. Scums either tag along or have to frame the argument in which the target (me) is scum and ignore the one in which the target is not scum. I've used it before to varying success but usually it helps more than it hurts. Maybe it makes it a little more ass to play a game with me - I don't know, you tell me about that one.
It's generally not a good idea to lynch the person doing the most talking in a game where there are 0 posts.
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On October 25 2018 04:34 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2018 03:46 Holyflare wrote:On October 23 2018 10:12 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On October 23 2018 09:39 byj wrote:On October 23 2018 08:55 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On October 23 2018 08:22 byj wrote:Zzz, guess it's time for me to go sleep again... and wake up to an empty thread What are your thoughts on my effortpost + Show Spoiler +I agree with you on DF, Koshi and prplhz, but I got no clue about ruXxar. I hate to say it, but it made you seem less scummy. But still what you said after the lynch makes you seem so scummy... even riding onto another lynch with HF is something beneficial for Scum I'd say, and something I'd do. Assuming you get it you have the chance to upgrade from a VT to a power role, and once pressed about changing the vote you could argue that it's because you think that HF was town - and thus implying lynch votes onto you are misdirected and should be onto HF if they really think he's scum... maybe I'm reading way too much into it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Guess I'll go to sleep for real now, looking forward to hearing from you Koshi and ruXxar My D1 plan was pretty simple: 1) Lynch any good source of information. Especially in a game this inactive I have absolutely no idea who's town and who's scum (most of) D1. Whoever we lynch, hopefully it's contentious enough that we get different wagons. Maybe even if we lynched Palmar in absentia (like over the course of the day, not rapidly at the end), we would've had a productive conversation about it.
BUT lynching someone like HF who has said a lot of stuff will give us lots of information. If we lynch Palmar he has said nothing and the fact that he is town gives us no additional information (besides how people voted and why). If we lynch HF we get all that and we get to see lots of confirmed town posts. If he turned out to be scum we just stopped scum from running the thread in their frame.And you might ask "why didn't you lynch your scum reads instead?" which is the ideal town strat right? Right now my most probable scumteam is ruXxar and darthfoley. I would have no idea besides a very light suspicion on DF that those two were scum. Probably someone else would be an idiot or I'd somehow convince myself Koshi was scum and I'd get a towny lynched even if I had my way. 2) Get a wagon on me. First of all mafia is way more fun when everyone is talking about you. But second from my perspective I had no idea what to make of the game so I wanted to reduce the number of variables. Towns generally give more risky and more substantial arguments for lynching someone. Scums either tag along or have to frame the argument in which the target (me) is scum and ignore the one in which the target is not scum. I've used it before to varying success but usually it helps more than it hurts. Maybe it makes it a little more ass to play a game with me - I don't know, you tell me about that one. It's generally not a good idea to lynch the person doing the most talking in a game where there are 0 posts. I talked as much D2 as you did D1 and vice versa I wouldn't say much was lost in terms of activity
That didn't work out either though did it?
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On October 25 2018 05:57 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2018 05:51 Holyflare wrote:On October 25 2018 04:34 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On October 25 2018 03:46 Holyflare wrote:On October 23 2018 10:12 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On October 23 2018 09:39 byj wrote:On October 23 2018 08:55 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On October 23 2018 08:22 byj wrote:Zzz, guess it's time for me to go sleep again... and wake up to an empty thread What are your thoughts on my effortpost + Show Spoiler +I agree with you on DF, Koshi and prplhz, but I got no clue about ruXxar. I hate to say it, but it made you seem less scummy. But still what you said after the lynch makes you seem so scummy... even riding onto another lynch with HF is something beneficial for Scum I'd say, and something I'd do. Assuming you get it you have the chance to upgrade from a VT to a power role, and once pressed about changing the vote you could argue that it's because you think that HF was town - and thus implying lynch votes onto you are misdirected and should be onto HF if they really think he's scum... maybe I'm reading way too much into it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Guess I'll go to sleep for real now, looking forward to hearing from you Koshi and ruXxar My D1 plan was pretty simple: 1) Lynch any good source of information. Especially in a game this inactive I have absolutely no idea who's town and who's scum (most of) D1. Whoever we lynch, hopefully it's contentious enough that we get different wagons. Maybe even if we lynched Palmar in absentia (like over the course of the day, not rapidly at the end), we would've had a productive conversation about it.
BUT lynching someone like HF who has said a lot of stuff will give us lots of information. If we lynch Palmar he has said nothing and the fact that he is town gives us no additional information (besides how people voted and why). If we lynch HF we get all that and we get to see lots of confirmed town posts. If he turned out to be scum we just stopped scum from running the thread in their frame.And you might ask "why didn't you lynch your scum reads instead?" which is the ideal town strat right? Right now my most probable scumteam is ruXxar and darthfoley. I would have no idea besides a very light suspicion on DF that those two were scum. Probably someone else would be an idiot or I'd somehow convince myself Koshi was scum and I'd get a towny lynched even if I had my way. 2) Get a wagon on me. First of all mafia is way more fun when everyone is talking about you. But second from my perspective I had no idea what to make of the game so I wanted to reduce the number of variables. Towns generally give more risky and more substantial arguments for lynching someone. Scums either tag along or have to frame the argument in which the target (me) is scum and ignore the one in which the target is not scum. I've used it before to varying success but usually it helps more than it hurts. Maybe it makes it a little more ass to play a game with me - I don't know, you tell me about that one. It's generally not a good idea to lynch the person doing the most talking in a game where there are 0 posts. I talked as much D2 as you did D1 and vice versa I wouldn't say much was lost in terms of activity That didn't work out either though did it? Did your plan to lynch byj work out?
I mean this is being pretty obtuse because I didn't want to lynch byj in the end and he hadn't said anything of substance or quantity when I wanted to lynch him but in future a game plan shouldn't revolve around killing the only person or persons propelling the game forward by talking because:
A) Mafia is going to kill them anyway if they're talking too much and causing activity.
B) You get more information the longer they're alive. If that person didn't get killed by mafia but they're the only one playing then it's more likely than not that they are mafia.
C) Talking more, if they are town, means that mafia has to talk more to blend in and thus make more mistakes.
Saying the lynch would be polarising and thus you would gain more information because of it is not a good game plan. It's not the worst offense in the game by any means.
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