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On September 09 2018 20:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2018 20:51 Vivax wrote:
Kaley wasn't the worst of lynches considering that his raps would have remained his only contributions for the rest of the game. But I'm wary of anyone who tried to argue that the above wasn't the only reason. I am not sure what you are trying to say here. Very easy argument to make since he flipped town, and idgaf how vary you will be of me for the rest of the game because if you are not saying what i was just above then i disagree with you.
After a quick reread, to me it looks like the point where your "lynch all rp crap" turned into a scumread is when you attacked me for my crappy townread.
But you being the originator of the push and being rayn on top of it, I don't think that you're the most likely to be mafia out of the bunch who voted kaley. I'm also not of the opinion that there has to be mafia among those who voted kaley (although it would be easy to sneak a vote in). Much easier to just not do anything at all or vote off wagon considering the amount of inactives.
That said to tell you that my previous post doesn't allude to you but rather to the guys who flocked around the kaley wagon.
And overall, I'm going to be very careful about the reads I want to have until we get more posts in esp. from the remaining players. To my knowledge mafia might not have made a single post.
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I'm here now.
Before I start getting back to posting about people in particular and who I think is mafia and not: I got a roleblock notification.
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I already think we should lynch Damdred for the empty promise. You aren't here on D1? Okay. But you are here on D2 and then you deliver an empty promise? That's not ok. You should usually be capable of doing at least a tiny little bit more as town. And I know you tend to give yourself away as mafia with posts that contain a lot of things that superficially look good and in depth turn out to be extremely inconsistent with each other. Maybe you know that, maybe you avoid posting for that reason.
Either way, as town you usually have the drive to put out at least a minimum of thoughts when you say you would. So for me, you wander right into scum pile with the little I have read and think you should be today's lynch.
##Vote Damdred
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Then I have a gripe with Sergio I have been carrying with me around for a while: You said it would be concerning for me to have townleaned Kaley if he turned out to be town. I don't recall you going back to this or using it to further your read on me, in a good or a bad way. I would like you to do that next.
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Qatol so far feels like he's furthering scum agenda and both NKs point heavily towards him. Koshi loved me for pointing out that I didn't like the way he was going after kaley, and HF also was rather sure he was mafia. Both died, and Qatols followup is to try and get a lynch on me going regardless. From a strategic perspective, both NKs are bad for me, he doesn't take that into account.
It's also been a while since HF got killed N1 simply cause HF is a player everyone who knows him is always paranoid about and he becomes a potential mislynch as the game goes on. So a Qatol made decision would fit here, simply cause he doesn't know enough about HF.
Additionally, his confidence feels fake to me so far. I haven't been able to be confident about my reads and straightforward about what I want to do not cause I am mafia, but cause we had a lot of inactives for most of the game and that tells me that I have to be careful about whom I accuse since I can never exclude that mafia simply didn't post. It feels wrong to me to just look at the actives and find reasons to scumread them under these circumstances. But Qatol doesn't. Day 1 he easily finds reasons to vote off kaley, and D2 he easily sees it as an easy reason to go after me that I display this type of hesitance.
But as an active poster, I don't believe Qatol takes priority before Damdred, even though I see him working against me until the point he is lynched, should he not decide to let his scumread fall (which isn't implying that it would be a reason for me to retract my own read on him).
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I'd like to see more from Rels apart from the lazy kaley vote. Cause I need it to make up my mind about the third mafia.
On September 09 2018 04:27 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2018 03:02 Qatol wrote:Getting back to the game, I will say that I am nervous that there hasn't been more pushback regarding Kaley, both by the player themselves and by others. Usually lynching mafia day 1 is like pulling teeth. That hasn't been the experience so far. Plus, we're getting posts like this: On September 08 2018 23:17 Rels wrote:
Sergio is almost lock town for me
rayn Koshi and KSC look town too
I want to lynch Kaley Rels, why is Sergio almost a lock? Why do you want to lynch Kaley? Considering there was 30 minutes between your "yo" post and your vote, I'm confused as to why you didn't say more. During those 30 minutes I read the game. Sergio's angryness makes no sense as scum in my opinion. Kaley has chosen to play in a way that makes her very hard to read. Fair enough. But when pushed for it, she doubled down and did it more strongly. I can see this strategy coming more from scum (kinda like "they wouldn't believe scum would continue roleplaying in my position"). Could also come from stubborn town but for now she's the more likely to flip scum.
The bolded is wifom. It's something you can't really disagree with and superficially seems like a good reason, but where do you draw the line in what kaley was thinking? Do I try to appease the townies or do I look like I don't give a damn? Both seem like viable strategies to me as long as you wrap them up in the right way.
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MZ feels town but I think he's turned a blind eye to Damdred.
MZ reconsider for a moment. What are the odds that Rels is lazy townie vs scum?
What are the odds that Damdred is lazy townie? As townie at least you should have a partial interest into solving the game, so why does Rels at least show a bit of that (even though his arguments leave to wish for) contrary to Damdred while being more likely mafia in your eyes? One does a bit of stuff that looks like it can come from mafia but the other does something (pretend to be active and promise more activity) and then does nothing which is more likely to be mafia behaviour in my opinion.
And Qatol my vote on RoL was a throwaway vote cause I didn't feel like voting kaley and pushing you wouldn't have felt right considering you were being an active player and also I wasn't feeling confident about you being mafia beyond the little I had expressed. I was unwilling to flesh out a scumread on you up until this day. Why RoL out of everyone? Pretty much for what prplhz said about him.
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Who are you kaley? Besides being british
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