[M]Chill Hop Mafia

On June 26 2018 22:02 Regfan wrote:
-G

On June 27 2018 01:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I dont want to have anything to do with this game anymore.
Calix is mafia.
Vivax is mafia.
Maybe Regfan is mafia, idk. Could be boxerfred, Slendy. Maybe 3% Holyflare.

bye.

On June 28 2018 07:19 Mocsta wrote:
fuck it

im probably never going ot catch up on this game now

I will vote the unturned stone

##Vote: Koshi

I dont particuarly care for the filter, and im concerned with the hammer vote

On June 28 2018 07:20 Mocsta wrote:
Why is TT town

big claims, need some dot points br0

On June 29 2018 23:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Koshi, do something. This is actually bad.

On June 30 2018 05:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Take 3. Tomorrow if no game and play you ďie.

On June 28 2018 23:44 Conversion wrote:


I hope Belgium gives England a good thrashing today

On June 30 2018 19:17 Holyflare wrote:


If they are in game PMs they should both be modkilled thanks. Please pm them individually.

On June 29 2018 01:33 Calix wrote:


You missed me yelling at people to lynch ShoCkeyy for almost the entirety of EOD, giving several reasons for him being mafia, convincing Vivax to vote for him, trying to convince Conversion to vote for him and only succeeding at the last fucking second, getting pissed off at Mocsta and TT for voting off ShoCkeyy for ??? reasons? Then I only voted for Boxerfred at the last second because I thought TT was going to die and I was not letting that happen.

And you think I didn't try hard enough?????????????????

REALLY?

On June 29 2018 16:40 Calix wrote:
##vote ShoCkeyy

This guy still needs to die.

I didn't like Mocsta vs CopCake, something seemed 'off' there to me.

I don't think Conversion is mafia. But he does seem to be keeping a low profile and when reading the thread in chronological order, many of his posts are the "pop in, say something while other stuff is going on and pop back out again" variety. So I'm going to look at his filter before work. I have about an hour right now.

This day cycle sucks hard for me because I have two 12-hour shifts so I will be really tired and not want to do anything. But I will try to filter Mocsta when I get back from work as well unless he does something RLY TOWNIE.

P.S: If anyone makes a case against me then may I politely request you add a 'tl;dr' to make my life easier? Thank you.

On June 29 2018 17:34 Calix wrote:
Conversion.

I am now convinced this guy is scum with ShoCkeyy and you can see this through how his TT read progresses. Keep in mind that, from Conversion's POV, TT was the only viable alternative to ShoCkeyy for most of EOD because Conversion had stated a "Vivax/ Calix are probably not mafia" read on me previously.



Starts here when, after saying he needs to reread TT, says that he 'doesn't see town motivation' in softing that you're unlynchable. I find the highlighted part...very questionable. It reads like he's using reasoning he knows he's used in the past to scum-read TT without actually believing in it.



Note the bolded part. He says that TT's 'unlynchable' thing isn't actually scummy after giving it some thought and TT isn't in his list of targets.

(as a side note, he 'actively questions' Vivax/ Calix believers but thinks rayn is LIKE RLY TOWNIE. Vivax calls him out here but Conversion seems to misinterpret what Vivax was saying entirely and I'm not sure whether Conversion ever actually responded to this point)

He goes on to rhetorically asks whether ShoCkeyy's dumb tell is fake. (implies ShoCkeyy is mafia otherwise why would you ever say this?) and soft-defends ShoCkeyy using meta (says he always finds ShoCkeyy makes posts that are 'never town'). It's not clear what his ShoCkeyy read is since he never makes it explicit.

Then THIS happens:




This 'case' is atrocious. Conversion said earlier that he changed his mind on the 'unlynchable' part because he didn't think mafia would do that on D1. But WITHOUT ANY EXPLANATION WHATSOEVER, he uses it as a reason to scum-read TT again!!! This looks like he's flinging shit against TT.

Bonus points for defending ShoCkeyy and jumping on one of the counterwagons to him for horrible reasoning.

Double bonus points because, when he uses that meta to defend ShoCkeyy, I showed him why that didn't make ShoCkeyy town this game. And he brushed it off because "I don't like comparing playstyles too much" (why would you use it as a reason for me to not think he's mafia then?)

Triple bonus points because he somehow found TT not voting to save himself scummy???






Nowhere in these posts does he explain how TT's dumb martyring actually helps mafia. Probably because the only scenario where that would work is if TT/ ShoCkeyy is a scum team and then people might ask things like "why the fuck were you dithering with a ShoCkeyy vote?" and "why did you wait until it was too late to vote for ShoCkeyy?"

Now I did make a post on Conversion's EOD before. But I only looked at a small part of his filter. When I looked from page 1 like I did now, his EOD looks way worse because of that TT progression.

Conversion/ ShoCkeyy/ ??? FTW

On June 30 2018 07:26 Calix wrote:


Alright. You got lucky that you rolled scum in a game where people are having more mental breakdowns than you've accomplished in your entire mafia career.

On June 30 2018 19:32 Calix wrote:


I literally wrote a tl;dr of why I wrote the case in the first place.

Namely the TT progression.

On June 29 2018 17:42 Calix wrote:
For the people who are short on time, here's a TL;DR of what convinced me to write a giant wall-post in the first place:





Essentially he changed his mind on TT and uses a reason that he already said didn't make TT mafia.

On June 30 2018 19:49 Mocsta wrote:
Koshi

Do you have a read on calix after that case

And where do you stand on shockeey

On June 27 2018 22:17 ShoCkeyy wrote:


How do you know they can't shoot multiple times? it doesn't say it in the rules, it just says this:

Option A - 1 blue role , 9 vanilla town, 3 vanilla mafia
Option B - 2 blue role , 8 vanilla town, 1 mafia roleblocker, 2 vanilla mafia

Either two vanilla, or three vanilla, and from the Role PM, it seems like all three can shoot. You probably didn't check because it will be handed to you through mafia QT... along where you and Tictock maybe conversing even though you're on "different" time zones.

On June 30 2018 19:59 Calix wrote:


You can magically tell ShoCkeyy and Conversion are town from my filter alone but you can't tell that I'm town? :L

On June 29 2018 23:35 Conversion wrote:
Last point. The thing is I can maybe see town!Calix casing me, but I don't see the logic behind town!Calix suddenly having a eureka moment and saying Shockeyy+Conversion is the team? It just seems like a cheap mafia shot to try and keep the Shockeyy momentum and if he flips town, which he most likely will, to keep another easier mislynch open that isn't her mafia team.

On June 30 2018 07:43 Conversion wrote:


Dude has been emo-ing for 24+ hours now, I'm surprised he just didn't modkill himself earlier. That's why I backed the pressure off him, but whatever. This game is so dumb that I run into people with more mental fortitude playing a toxic ass game like DotA.

My head right now is that there is at least one Mafia in this boxerfred nonsense. I'm thinking HF for even initiating it to begin with because the Light of God touched his brain 4 hours before EoD whatever and people followed, which is why I want him dead.

If the rest of the shenanigan wagon is pure, that means the team is HF +2. Mocsta has been doing nothing after he tried to catch up to 20 pages, and his reasoning for boxerfred switch was trash. You and Vivax may be the only two that have an actual reason to do so, and I'm not quite entirely convinced you did it 100% just to save Tictock either.

That makes Hf/Mocsta/Calix my pool since Vivax is dead.

Then we have everyone else. Rayn is town unless someone is going to counterclaim him for whatever reason. Slendy/Me/Copcake/Koshi. Koshi's on vacation or whatever, but mafia!Koshi doesn't play unless he's threatened. He tends to just seep into the background and have people ignore him. I honestly think Cop is town, and I know I'm town because I read my PM and I'm not illiterate

That leaves Hf/Mocsta/Calix/Koshi being my pool, and if you flip town whatever. I don't really want to waste my time trying to figure a game out when two people want to be babies and modkill themselves out when the pressure isn't even heavy and three people don't even play the game and forget they're even playing. Waste of my time.

On June 29 2018 07:34 Conversion wrote:


Didn't you hard townread Regfan who said don't vote boxerfred, and wanted to lynch Shockeyy? or anyone but boxerfred?

On June 30 2018 21:23 Holyflare wrote:
I should be the easiest mislynch to push, dunno why nobody is pushing it hard.

On June 28 2018 03:14 Conversion wrote:


I'm not comparing playstyles, was just giving an example of me being frustrated at Shockeyy's playstyle and seeing a connection between you and him to me and him in a previous game. I don't like comparing meta TOO much unless I feel like it's completely different from a recent game.. like I did with rsoultin at Vendee since I just end up wasting a ton of time as decent mafia players just play similarly town or mafia

On June 28 2018 06:14 Conversion wrote:


Since when does calling someone unimpressive imply they are mafia? Unimpressive means unimpressive.

Also find a game where I tried to legitimately get HF lynched day one all “gung-ho” style, cause I can’t remember ever doing that.

On June 28 2018 06:17 Conversion wrote:


The dude is still completely misrepresenting me, sticking with it, and then even saying knee-jerk I am scum after softly calling me town all game? Hasn't talked to me at all until this post.

That is not town, like at all.

On June 28 2018 07:51 Conversion wrote:
I think we have a good shot of lynching HF. Me+ Vivax + Calix, TT if he joins in.

Choo choo?

On June 28 2018 07:52 Conversion wrote:
Otherwise I'm sticking to TT. No way town!TT doesn't vote Shock here after scumreading him and having a chance to get him lynched over himself.

On June 28 2018 08:12 Conversion wrote:


?????

On June 28 2018 08:56 Conversion wrote:
shoot me if you have to. somehow people have become more of a drama queen than I have and that's just boring. I'm just going to go play some shit game like DotA if I want to be surrounded by people giving up 10% of the way in the game

On June 28 2018 08:56 Conversion wrote:
I shall be back tomorrow with a fresh and invigorated mindset!

On June 30 2018 21:39 Holyflare wrote:


you've said nothing worth anything

I've been inconsistent as fuck and aren't posting but still being around

On June 29 2018 13:26 CopCake wrote:
I am going to re evaluate






http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/534884-chill-hop-mafia-vote-thread?page=3

So Calix and Vivax voted at the same time before end of the day to boxerored (2 min)
Tick tock and conversion 1 minute before end of the day to Shockey

If I think about it carefully, TT's numbers were 4, so if conversion stayed with him, it would be the same as Shockey. Both were mafia reads of Conversion's so it would work for him either way, then...

In a world in which conversion is mafia... WHY THE MOVE?

Is TT town and if he flipped town would clear a lot of things?

Is TT mafia and apply the same?

Why to take the risk of the move and be called out for it?

I can see conversion being mafia is TT is mafia and his whole read of TT was just bluff and copy/budding people as you say.

On June 30 2018 21:58 CopCake wrote:
Just the fact conversion posted last minute to save the inactive is good enough reason for me to put my hands on the fire for him.

On June 29 2018 22:29 CopCake wrote:


So from here, Boxerfread had two, with calix three.

Mocca’s and vivax is what killed boxerfred.

(Mostly vivax)

There is no way for mafia to control vivax’s actions so assume that TT would be the nail?

This is the confusin part, because from the boxerfred wagon there are at least two mafia or three.

This is why I have a: Calix - HF - TT - Mocca

But I am going to simplify and think they wouldnt have minded the shotckey kill and made TT to vote him to look townie? Idk 😐

On June 29 2018 22:34 CopCake wrote:
Like it is strange how Calix campaigned HARD to save TT. Tbh I have never ever in my life seen someone go that HARD to save a person.

On June 30 2018 22:14 Mocsta wrote:
Koshi

How does conversion work if you believe shockee is town?

Like maybe i shouldnt rely on heuristics at eod2 but if copcake was scum. I expect rayn to have clued in by now. And frankly. I find her too polarising ti be scum. Bkg committment to do that thrkughtout the whole game.

On June 30 2018 22:19 Mocsta wrote:
.....

Reads like a town lean to me

On June 30 2018 21:59 Koshi wrote:

Too many pages to handle. So just looked at her conversion read and there is an inconsistency

On June 30 2018 22:58 CopCake wrote:


I was thinking in all the alternative universes in which you could be mafia and why your change of vote.

I said I can see you mafia if TT is mafia. That is the only universe.

But it would be Conversion + TT + Someone else.

But the fact I was thinking TT is mafia doesnt mean I think you were mafia, because the Calix + TT + HF + Mocsta is the one that makes more sense to me.

On June 30 2018 22:35 CopCake wrote:


You are putting words in my mouth Koshi, I never said conversion is mafia unless it is with TT.

There I clearly said that Calix campaigned hard to save TT.

Never said coversion.

Conversion never tried to save TT, conversion tried to save BF.

On June 30 2018 23:10 CopCake wrote:
Like you are calling mafia because I said

“The only universe Conversion is mafia is if TT mafia” based on his moves changing TT to Shockey.

It makes sense because that way if ConversionMafia! Existed he could be saving TTmafia and get a town misslynch. But still it doesnt make sense because just the last minute vote and if Conversion was mafia and he knew shockey was town he would be doomed, and if shockey was mafia he killed a scum mate for nothing when he could have allowed a misslynch with boxerfred?

Therefore conversion is town.

On July 02 2018 02:01 Holyflare wrote:


absolutely a mafia koshi statement by the way, he hasn't read anything about me and he's inconsistent as hell

On June 28 2018 19:10 Koshi wrote:
Everybody loves me because I am special.

On July 02 2018 08:33 Holyflare wrote:
You didn't win anything? Mafia can no kill and it's mylo.

On July 02 2018 08:40 Holyflare wrote:
I really think a no lynch should be done today