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On August 15 2017 23:42 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2017 23:40 Damdred wrote: Copcake rayn has come back and Don things.
Read on him now? Town. Rayn would have pushed on the weakest/scummiest town if he was mafia.
That's about 0% true. He called me mafia and pushed me as mafia in his last mafia game.
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On August 15 2017 23:45 CopCake wrote: Like is weird to me that people wanted to lynch rayn for inactivity/hasnt done shit and never contemplated the possibility of him being actually busy.
Like if I was scum I would have tried to get him lynched and be like "lol mistake he was inactive that is not town rayn"
Nobody used this as a reason.
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On August 15 2017 23:54 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2017 23:53 Holyflare wrote:On August 15 2017 23:42 CopCake wrote:On August 15 2017 23:40 Damdred wrote: Copcake rayn has come back and Don things.
Read on him now? Town. Rayn would have pushed on the weakest/scummiest town if he was mafia. That's about 0% true. He called me mafia and pushed me as mafia in his last mafia game. Were you a general town read or you were suspected?
A general town read.
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On August 15 2017 23:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2017 23:37 Holyflare wrote:On August 15 2017 23:30 Holyflare wrote: You could have said "why does me reading copcake null have anything to do with Tumblewood?" or "the way he was discussing it looked like he should come to a conclusion but he didn't".
That's like 8 words to dispel everything and you instead spent about 1000 on a waste of time case on me, making yourself annoyed(?) with me and afking? Telling me I'm twisting words.
It was pretty simple and you dragged it down. Last game you quite easily answered questions like that. I remember actually you had the exact same argument with someone last game where we were both town and you made that simple statement. Actually yes. Skynx made a case on you in generic 3 for these exact same reasons. He was town, you called him town even though you didn't agree with the logic. I agreed with skynx in that game too and you just shrugged it off. Completely out of character with your behaviour here. I don't understand this, can you go more into detail?
You made a post where you scum read/bad read X (tw in this game) because he thought Y after a push. You also thought Y or something. Skynx cased you and you just said the same spiel about it's the thought process and explained it away. Then you said skynx is town for that case even if you didn't believe it. I don't remember the details so much and maybe it's different a bit but this looks exactly the same and your reaction to me is totally different.
You also know I exaggerate scum reads early in the game to get people to talk. Ritoky being a weak one to push for discussion. So why flip out about it? It doesn't make any sense to me when you can simply explain something away. I asked you a simple question about a read and you ignored me and then when I tried to get more information from you over an inconsistency it's twisting yoir words fuck you bye.
I just want to play mafia. You don't need to be a bitch because you don't like to play mafia. I don't think you're whiney so I think you're mafia.
You're more reasonable now and it doesn't make the slightest bit of sense because you're more reasonable to me after casing me as mafia?????
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We weren't mafia together???
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On August 15 2017 23:42 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2017 23:40 Damdred wrote: Copcake rayn has come back and Don things.
Read on him now? Town. Rayn would have pushed on the weakest/scummiest town if he was mafia.
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I was a strong town read. I got shot n1. Rayn pushed me. Your meta is flawed.
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Like when the fuck did mafia people get so thin skinned? I hate this shit. It makes me not want to play. I don't want to baby a person because they can't handle a basic accusatory question or interrogation. That's literally the fucking game. Grow up people. Stop shining.
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On August 16 2017 00:07 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2017 23:53 Holyflare wrote:On August 15 2017 23:42 CopCake wrote:On August 15 2017 23:40 Damdred wrote: Copcake rayn has come back and Don things.
Read on him now? Town. Rayn would have pushed on the weakest/scummiest town if he was mafia. That's about 0% true. He called me mafia and pushed me as mafia in his last mafia game. Here He called you mafia and you were mafia together And How am I supposed to know about your games with rayn? I am talking of the times he has been mafia with me on VS.
He called me mafia AS mafia. As in Rayn was mafia, not me.
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I don't expect you to know about Rayn's games with me. I'm correcting your bad meta of rayn by disproving it with evidence from two games ago. TL LXXV(?) or something like that. Game looks identical to here tbh.
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Jesus christ I don't even care copcake. You made a read that rayn isn't mafia because of meta. I'm just telling you that meta is wrong. If it was correct in your game and that's your view it is disproved by the fact he pushed me 2 games ago when I was top town read.
Also now that jealous reminds me why rayn is mafia! Yes, rayn said to stop posting pictures and give reads to jealois but this was after jealous' wall posts of reads. That's classic rayn not even being invested in game or reading.
No backing out now.
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On August 14 2017 16:56 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2017 16:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: Holyflare i dont think ritoky is mafia. Why do I care about an unqualified statement though? He did nothing and then purports that it's a bad read like it's untrue that he did nothing. Also irrationally angry that he's a clock. May or may not be a big part of it.
I asked. You said nothing.
You then were stubborn for 24 hours and then your post came insulting me.
I compared it to games you didn't have time in. Like the one where I was mafia. It's in my filter and in this thread. I looked back and it's wildly different. Hence my continued push.
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First of all everyone (since there are like 10 or so people) who think i in any way defended Koshi are fucking retarded. "This post doesn't make Koshi scum" is not "Koshi is town", never has been, and never will be, except for in Holyflare's intentional or unintentional miscontrues of finding scummy narratives to what people said and twisting them to something that it never was. Unfortunately apparently like half of the fucking TL Mafia is dumb enough to actually agree with him on shit like that. I know he does that as mafia, and that is not the only case he has done it this game. I don't have enough games with him as him boing town lately to know if he has become such a shitty player he can be town here. So i am just gonna ignore him until he posts something that makes sense (no, the case on Koshi is not good).
Secondly, the people who want to hunt for 3rd parties are usually mafia. I couldn't give less fucks at the start of the game who is a 3rd party. Because i want to lynch mafia. Fortunately, for mafia, the possible existence of 3p's allows them to genuinely "scumhunt", as in the only way to do so. Another red flag for Holyflare.
Then there is this: On June 14 2017 21:05 Holyflare wrote: That's called a dead end. No mafia, no push.
I understand the concept of generating discussion. I don't understand the concept of calling someone mafia because they don't have a clear mafia read or push when like fucking half of the game hasn't even checked in / made a meaningful post yet.
Above is post 1 of many from the game you were mafia.
Somehow Holyflare paints it all black and white, and that's why he is twisting my words, and that's what makes him mafia. He completely ignores the fact that people are different and just comes up with a narrative where "you made the same conclusion so you should think X", he completely dismisses the fact that if someone comes to a same conclusion than you do, it doesn't automatically mean they are town, because the reasoning and the train of thought is what matters.
That's why i hate playing with mafia!Holyflare, it makes me super annoyed to argue pages and pages about this kind of simple shit and like half of the players actually buy that crap, even fucking townread the guy for it. Apparently i need someone like Palmar who actually READS the posts people make and not just look at the posts and think "well he posts a lot and on surface level that looks good". Yes i am looking at all of you, and i won't bother defending myself against this kind of crap, just lynch me and then you can lynch Holyflare.
Let's compare to a portion of your post this game above.
IT'S ALMOST IDENTICAL.
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On August 14 2017 19:13 Holyflare wrote: Like i fail to believe that rayn the mechanic breaking god only focuses on how he can get judges to give us their reads rather than the fact we get unlimited vests and no mafia nks.
Surely he just cares about his own reads rather than that nonsense he was spouting too? Judges nominate who they think is mafia and we lynch them already. They already have a voice.
Then there's all this "I'll tell you later" with a slew of posts in between into "i don't have time to write it now". Do you think, looking at TW's filter, that it would take much time for rayn to quote the post and write 5 seconds of why it's a bad post? I'm pretty sure it takes the same amount of time as saying tw has a bad post and writing an afk excuse.
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I waited hours for you to explain your reads. There's about 10 posts from me asking for explanations and calling you out.
There's like a handful of posts from you not even explaining them!
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No. It's identical rayn.
QUOTE one you were mafia and I was town.
QUOTE two is this game where I am town.
What does that make you?
You now see this argument doesn't make me mafia in any stretch of the imagination. You're using a narrative again just like that game. This is slam dunk. It's way too similar.
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On August 16 2017 00:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:What does it make me? Tell me, Holyflare. Since you are so into this meta shit, what does it make YOU? Or are you going to say "rayn made this up before i did so"? huh... WHAT DOES IT MAKE YOU? Tell me.
Makes me town muchacho.
One stark difference in this game:
I've explained myself why i think there is nothing scummy in what Grackaroni has said and why darthfoley's "case" is shit as fuck. I can keep telling the same thing over and over again and you will end up doing the same thing you have done over and over again. So i'd rather just not care
No explaining to be found. You were asked and didn't explain until you got annoyed enough to write a wall of text. Too little too late.
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On August 16 2017 00:21 Holyflare wrote: Jesus christ I don't even care copcake. You made a read that rayn isn't mafia because of meta. I'm just telling you that meta is wrong. If it was correct in your game and that's your view it is disproved by the fact he pushed me 2 games ago when I was top town read.
Also now that jealous reminds me why rayn is mafia! Yes, rayn said to stop posting pictures and give reads to jealois but this was after jealous' wall posts of reads. That's classic rayn not even being invested in game or reading.
No backing out now.
Can you explain why you didn't mention jealous' read posts before you called him mafia?
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Are we assuming rayn didn't read the thread?
He's missed: jealous read posts Reasons why tw is scum All of my scum reads and monologues trying to solve the game Everything???
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