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disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 23 2017 16:02 GMT
#5222
his va read struck me as very towny in a way where that is just not a post i can see scum making.
he had the very same reaction to eod3 as me.
general tone things.
dnt feel like he has an agenda.

though to be fair. if i am basically checking all other filters i can read his too. *shrugs*
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 23 2017 16:03 GMT
#5223
On June 24 2017 01:02 disformation wrote:
his va read struck me as very towny in a way where that is just not a post i can see scum making.
he had the very same reaction to eod3 as me.
general tone things.
dnt feel like he has an agenda.

though to be fair. if i am basically checking all other filters i can read his too. *shrugs*

on fefe
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 23 2017 16:07 GMT
#5225
yeah. dunno man. also not getting scum vibes from rels here.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 23 2017 16:09 GMT
#5226
i feel like scum is getting poe'ed down pretty damn hard very soon.
if we have a prot left they have a real problem now.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 23 2017 16:12 GMT
#5230
i was thinking ritoky
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 23 2017 16:14 GMT
#5233
On June 24 2017 01:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2017 01:12 Rels wrote:
On June 24 2017 01:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Wow its actually kita????

very likely I think, from the logic he uses + I totally fooled him in at least one game, the resistance game we played together

Why the fooling part?
What does that have to do with anything?

If youre town stop calling me mafia and stop being dumb.

chezitwo said he likes rels playstyle a lot or something
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 23 2017 16:16 GMT
#5236
On June 24 2017 01:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2017 01:14 disformation wrote:
On June 24 2017 01:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 24 2017 01:12 Rels wrote:
On June 24 2017 01:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Wow its actually kita????

very likely I think, from the logic he uses + I totally fooled him in at least one game, the resistance game we played together

Why the fooling part?
What does that have to do with anything?

If youre town stop calling me mafia and stop being dumb.

chezitwo said he likes rels playstyle a lot or something

Why does Rels say "i totally fooled him" if he thinks chez is town and he is town?

rels is clearly talking about another game? Oo
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 23 2017 16:18 GMT
#5238
like "i fooled kita in that resistance game"
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 23 2017 16:22 GMT
#5244
On June 24 2017 01:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why do you say that?

If i said now "i am good at fooling disformation when i am scum" what would you think?

probably that i really should read your filter again?
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 23 2017 16:23 GMT
#5246
mh. framer is prolly unlikely. i could see them have a gf though, since it seems like we have a tracker and a parity cop
disformation
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Germany8352 Posts
June 23 2017 16:23 GMT
#5248
but i never hosted a game, so i dont know much about balance
disformation
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Germany8352 Posts
June 23 2017 16:33 GMT
#5259
actually i think the poe is starting to point to a fairly afkish team.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 23 2017 17:26 GMT
#5279
On June 24 2017 02:08 Chezitwo wrote:
If the game is simple then the mafia team is something like Xatalos, Tumblewood, BH, Skynx + 1 of Palmar/Rels/Rayn assuming a 5 man team.
If mafia is lurking in the "good actor" category (btdt, ruxxar, FF) or between the claims then it will get slightly more annoying.

yup. i agree.
@ruxxar: if you are scum you had a real good d2. trolling/baiting around on a dead day with a scum mate dead in the water takes a lot of effort.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 24 2017 17:52 GMT
#5296
@rels: you still scumreading skynx and ruxxar?
can i have a tldr on why?
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 24 2017 18:02 GMT
#5297
On June 21 2017 03:51 Skynx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2017 03:48 Chezitwo wrote:
On June 21 2017 03:11 Skynx wrote:
On June 20 2017 21:23 Rels wrote:
SL / BH
rayn / ruxxar / Skynx
Palmar / Chezitwo / VA
ES / FF / Tumble / Grack
BTDT / disfo

That makes me feel good. This makes sense.


So there are 5 scumreads here, lets see the reasonings behind them.

On June 20 2017 21:20 Rels wrote:
OK I'm done with my free time. Let's get a wagon starting on sicklucker.
##Vote sicklucker

On June 20 2017 20:54 Rels wrote:
sicklucker being this motivated for a D1 lynch is pretty weird. + he didn't react the way I would expect him to HF pushing him. Remained strangely calm and collected for him while still trying to get annul lynched. Usually that's where he becomes super townie, by having sprayed of posts that are strange and genius at the same time. Didn't happened there. Didn't happen everywhere in his filter.
On June 16 2017 07:58 sicklucker wrote:
On June 16 2017 07:58 Holyflare wrote:
just realise that sicklucker just said annul has towny sounding posts just now and has absolutely no real reason to scum read annul but is voting him over xata who he doesn't even realise doesn't scum read rayn


i said very slightly convincing plz...

And HF is killed N1 despite being a likely doc protect.
+ it might be pretty ironic for me to say that against him. But at EOD1 I doubted my vote hardcore because of some annul posts and almsot switched to Xata. SL might be the best player at reading those situations, but he didn't switch, and didn't even show it made him think. Like, I would have expected him to play at least like he described I did:
On June 16 2017 21:15 sicklucker wrote:
On June 16 2017 11:50 darthfoley wrote:
Rels also looks problematic given his enter the thread, procede to not vote then voted as the 5th on annul to tie it 5-5.

Not like I Rels out from a mile away


na rels is alright his logic was good he looked hesitant at the end too

+ after that I become one of his main target despite being one of his main townread for no reason other than "let's lynch in the annul wagon".

I think I wanna lynch SL. What's good too is that if he's town it should become obvious.

Meta read is irrelevant here, sl is just a troll he can do anything in D1 and wouldn't prolly be ai.
Second point is very ironic yeah i dunno whats your point here? If you're scumreading sl for that doesn't that makes you scum aswell???
You became everyone's main target because your filter was bad until today started basically. I can kinda see why he tr you earlier with your early list and everything.

Are you just bussing sl??

On June 20 2017 08:11 Rels wrote:
BH didn't convince me. Spending all this time arguing with BTDT that went nowhere


Pretty much all about BH to make him his equally hardest scumread.

On June 20 2017 21:16 Rels wrote:
On June 17 2017 00:54 Skynx wrote:
Anyway for sure 1 scum between sl/fefe/rux. They all look equally bad dunno where to start.
Grack ninja vote is terrible. Eversince and Rels keep going down in ranks but i havent read their eod properly yet.
Other terrible votes off train are btdt and TW. Maybe Vivax aswell but i think he is town.
My plan is to also ignore HF and Palmar for a bit. They can be any alignment and so far pretty useless, too high level stuff for me.
VA can go suck a dick.
rayn is a mystery

I think tomorrow we can start the lynch with grack or any of first trio that started the train.

Updated townlist: disfo, df, damdred, Koshi, Vivax

Sl/ruxxar/tw/btdt/HF for postgame cred

Don't like the bolded though. An easy list to make the seems good but does nothing.
On June 20 2017 02:10 Skynx wrote:
Starting my annul train series with the first trio of sl/ruxxar/fefe

On June 16 2017 03:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
I think if we're letting rucksack live we should kill annul


On June 16 2017 03:11 sicklucker wrote:
##vote annul i agree nice ninja ff you get a cheap townread. I just voted him after reading his filter

Got one boys and im super trendy because no one voted him yet so bonus points


On June 16 2017 03:12 ruXxar wrote:
On June 16 2017 03:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
I think if we're letting rucksack live we should kill annul


I'm down.


On June 16 2017 07:23 Rels wrote:
Don't see a town motivation on annul's vote on Xata then begging Xata to vote SL.
EITHER he prefers to lynch SL, then voting SL at that point puts him above him with 1 hour to see what happens
OR he prefers Xata, but why the begging to Xata so he votes SL then
Doesn't make any sense. Scum. Very likely


On June 16 2017 07:10 Grackaroni wrote:
On June 16 2017 06:58 annul wrote:
not at all. i am 1 switch away from majority. with the tiebreaker being what it is, i have no choice.

i WANT to vote for koshi/ruxxar since they are both mafia and either is a fine kill. but alas.

Annul seems like an ok lynch to me. I dislike that he doesn't waver at all in his Koshi read after 10 pages of filter.

It would be worthwhile to check if he tends to be very confident in his reads as town, because his are still based on things from the early game.

I'm on my phone on a train, and the internet is not great.


On June 16 2017 07:45 Eversince wrote:
This is going to make me look like garbage.

I haven't read anything since pg 35ish. Give me the the rough of what's happen between now and then for Xata, Annul, and SL.

I don't have time to fact check so my vote is entirely blind at this point.



Don't know where to begin...

On June 20 2017 02:24 Skynx wrote:
Everyone on the train had terrible reasons for voting annul. Makes it kinda harder to analyze, scum could be all there tbf. No one had an outstanding read on Xata either, mainly this and that. All 6 I'd lynch 1 by 1 except Ruxxar maybe as he's picking up the game.

On June 20 2017 02:30 Skynx wrote:
One thing I noted tho, when it was 6-5 to annul, Eversince came late into thread and claimed he's clueless with that post but he took another 12 mins to think about who to vote.
From a town point, if you're clueless, making the train 6-6 shouldn't really bother you but if you're scum you're literally offering your RB on a silver platter.

On June 20 2017 02:47 Skynx wrote:
I feel like few votes on him and Grack will start spilling all the beans.

And this looks like he started fabricating a vote analyze but didn't know how to do it. There is nothing there. Like the bolded above, he points that every reasonning is bad and he wants to lynch every player. No game solving there.

Not trying to push game forward and all.

I didn't understand anything from rayn interaction, I assume they are disagreeing on reads?
Ruxxar pretty much the same I don't get the sr but apparently you sr him from very early on, why not vote him when he had bunch of people on him??

There is a general lack of structure in these scumreads, he reads the game thats for sure but he just quotes posts and makes up bunch of reasons out of nowhere.
Lets look at the townreads,

I actually found the one about Grack
On June 20 2017 06:58 Rels wrote:
but Grack showing he remembered a random post from Palmar means it's likely he's either scum with marv, or not scum. Cause him remembering this random post means he read Palmar's filter (so he's town) or this post stucked to him 'cause marv is his partner. Most likely


This is just laughable, Grack has arguably the worst filter in the game along with ES and gets the easiest tr based on something so superficial.

On June 20 2017 20:27 Rels wrote:
On June 20 2017 19:49 beentheredonethat wrote:
I'm on page 11. I have to admit that his N1 looks very good, especially asking the vig shot to be directed towards Xata. However, Xata doesn't die, so either vig didn't shoot or mafia has a protection mechanic or the roleblock got lucky? Hm, speculations. I'd say scum has a protective mechanic

looooool
never scum. BTDT is never ever scum. This is him solving the game right there. Speculating that the scumteam might have a prot role 'cause it fits with his belief that disfo is scum. I'm never ever voting him.
Sry BTDT but I'm not convinced at all by your case. Apart from point 1 which is what annoyed me about disfo at the beginning. But the rest is him being disfo. Doesn't make him scum.


More easy tr's, did you even read rest of btdt filter? He's not making 1 bit of sense since start of the game and above post can be very easily fabricated by mafia. I don't even think I'd come up with this one if i was really trying hard to tr btdt.


Concluding point:

On June 20 2017 21:00 Rels wrote:
Actually I just did.

On June 15 2017 00:18 Tumblewood wrote:
On June 15 2017 00:14 Koshi wrote:
On June 15 2017 00:12 Tumblewood wrote:
so far i'm thinking ruxxar and disfo have basically dumbtelled by taking sl's claim at fake value. unless i am actually operating on way less irony than them

Don't think they are dumbtelled town for believing a claim.
They are more likely town if SL is mafia.

or what do you mean?

believing the claim requires not realizing that sl just made that up. and if rux or disfo are mafia then they should figure that out because it doesn't reconcile at all with the information that they have. i think there's a corner case of this where they're mafia with eversince, but i figure they are still probably town. and if sl is mafia... idk, at least disfo is kinda scrubby and might take it as a legit fakeclaim

this is kinda townie

Nothing else stands out of to me as town or scum. The activity is bad ofc though. I want him to play more.


Mind you he makes a similar post about me but I'm still scum and TW is town????

On June 20 2017 21:08 Rels wrote:
On June 16 2017 03:39 Skynx wrote:
Koshi is not screaming and calling this town shit, he might be mafia actually

this is kinda townie. Weird thing to say to a town leader that is obviously not getting lynched


Like wtf? He just finds reasons in his universe that makes someone town or scum but apparently they don't apply to everyone in same value. It is most clearly seen in sl and simple tr on me and tw.
I just can't follow any of his reads, sorry.

##Vote: Rels

Is it just me or is this last line really out of place?
And if Grack has arguably the worst filter in the game how come you aren't on board with killing him?
On June 21 2017 03:36 Skynx wrote:
Disfo might be mafia at this point purely cuz of association.

Him not dying after N2 is just madness. Framing redcheck on him by fellow mafia for pure WIFOM. Now that there is only me and him on original Xata train, he accuses me for being mafia whereas his main reason for voting Xata is sheeping my case and he has absolutely no idea on Xata otherwise.

On June 16 2017 03:41 disformation wrote:
On June 16 2017 03:40 ruXxar wrote:
On June 16 2017 03:38 disformation wrote:
switched to xata.
i feel like voting with skynx and df. rather than with annul and ruxxar.


Excuse me?

you are a pretty big question mark.
skynx and df are big town reads.

skynx had a good post on xata


On June 16 2017 03:42 Koshi wrote:
Disformation voting Xatalos when annul is moving up the lynchlist.

Interesting?


On June 16 2017 03:43 Koshi wrote:
@disformation

Where do you have anything on Xatalos in your filter?



On June 16 2017 03:52 Holyflare wrote:
Did you read xata's filter and conclude something before you voted him disfo? Where are the posts?


This is also a really bad post. There is literally nothing insane about disformation surviving the night.

Grack will die dw, Rels is looking worse to me right now since he's revealed a bit more by being more active through this day. There is a chance Grack is just town who doesn't give two shits about this game but reading through Rels I'm sure I found mafia.
Nice ridicule, you apparently ignored his actions on EOD and why he vote.

Any thoughts on that? Any thoughts on Rels? You practically ignored everything i said...

skynx could you explain that in a bit more detail?
and why did rels get to be town again:
On June 21 2017 22:19 Skynx wrote:
Guess I'll play:

disfo, Rels, Ruxxar, rayn

chez

VA, fefe null, off chance one mafia here

Palmar 3P

Xata, SL, Grack, btdt + 1

last one prolly ES/TW

I'll freestyle from now on.

disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 24 2017 18:03 GMT
#5298
also agree with ruxxar that id like a tldr of rayn's scumread on rels
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 24 2017 22:47 GMT
#5324
bleh. not even a cc from tw or something. indeed boring.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 24 2017 23:04 GMT
#5334
On June 22 2017 03:28 Tumblewood wrote:
lynch pool 2.0 (or maybe 1.0, i forgot)

grack OR sl (thinkin it's grack right now. votes def point to grack)
fefe - probably with sl
chez - probably with grack
btdt
va
palmar
skynx

(just remembered to tell you, grack - rels v rayn is probably tvt)

do you guys think tw calling rels vs rayn tvt increases the chance of it being svt or is it a case of tmi?
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 24 2017 23:09 GMT
#5341
12 players left?
assuming 3 scum left:
9-3
nk 8-3
ml 1 7-3
nk 6-3
ml 2 5-3
nk 4-3
lyo

2 ml to lylo
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 24 2017 23:19 GMT
#5347
dunno. not inclined to talk setup. just might give scum stupid ideas in the end.
had some ideas earlier along the lines of:
1 of rels vs rayn
1 of btdt vs skynx
1 of bh vs palmar
if i am wrong on one add ruxxar

dunno if that makes complete sense though
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