[N] TL Mafia LXXV - Page 37

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Germany8352 Posts

June 22 2017 15:43 GMT

#4713

dunno. feels more fluffy and i think there are a bunch of questions that go nowhere in es filter that game.
but i was fairly long ago and the sample size is mega low.

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Germany8352 Posts

June 22 2017 15:44 GMT

#4714

but yeah would be cool if you could take a short look at it, maybe youll remember something good

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Germany8352 Posts

June 22 2017 15:53 GMT

#4717

On June 23 2017 00:50 Fecalfeast wrote:
Um

The game you linked ended night1 with mafia concession and eversince was vt in that game.

fuck linked the wrong one.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/496519-student-mafia-xvi

need to double check if i also read the wrong one xD

i hate reading old games when tired.

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Germany8352 Posts

June 22 2017 15:56 GMT

#4718

i also missed that rels was also in that game...
might need to take a nap when i get home

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Germany8352 Posts

June 22 2017 15:56 GMT

#4719

and sicklucker was in that game...

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Germany8352 Posts

June 22 2017 16:10 GMT

#4729

@rayn can you explain your va town read? guys really null to me.

town:
fefe
chezitwo
rayn

townlean:
btdt

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Germany8352 Posts

June 22 2017 16:14 GMT

#4732

cool.
i also think i dont wanna lynch bh for being funny, so i guess that qualifies as a town lean.
ruxxar is prolly just town too but some of his posts give me the creeps.

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Germany8352 Posts

June 22 2017 16:18 GMT

#4734

mh... did i get bamboozled by rels yesterday?

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Germany8352 Posts

June 22 2017 16:20 GMT

#4735

and i am still worried about sl drinking with hats despite that being a horrible reason since the games fluff is whiskey related. xD

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Germany8352 Posts

June 22 2017 16:24 GMT

#4738

ah! that game! wasnt that the one where nocturnemage was tracker and owned the whole fucking game?
and I spend like 3 cycles figuring out which one of chezinu or moosydoosy is the last scummer

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Germany8352 Posts

June 22 2017 16:34 GMT

#4739

yeah, it was that game. that was a real good one. for town at least.
read your comments in obs and took a peek at VA's filter. looks very very different to that.
fefe also had a super similar conclusion:

On June 21 2017 08:47 Fecalfeast wrote:
So I went into VA's filter almost looking for reasons to scumread him and now that I made half a case about his read progression on grack and skynx...

I kinda think he's just low effort town.. The way he comes across seems so casual and while like 80% of his posts are setup talk or useless he seems to be looking at the game from a low information point of view and hasn't pushed any sort of agenda (scum or town) that I can see.

so i am cool with va.

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Germany8352 Posts

June 22 2017 16:34 GMT

#4740

to that = to this game.
off for now. will be bach later.

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Germany8352 Posts

June 22 2017 17:54 GMT

#4746

eh more like tring rayn because his reasonings make a lot of sense to me and he had a post that resonated fairly well with what i am thinking about the game.
e.g. most stuff he pointed out about sl's case make sense to me and i agree tht the case is fairly weak (see me unvoting yesterday).
but i also agree with you: not sure if that makes sl town.

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Germany8352 Posts

June 22 2017 18:14 GMT

#4749

On June 23 2017 02:57 Chezitwo wrote:

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If it resonated so well with you then please summarize it for me because I do not see it. Of course stuff like "that's not a good reason to scumread someone" in the case I just mentioned makes sense. That does not mean that his conclusion is correct or that he put in a decent effort to evaluate Sickluckers alignment.

*sigh* lemme find the posts.

On June 22 2017 05:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:

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I mean between the game start there is about 20 posts where Xatalos calls me mafia for many reasons. You singling out one post that is not a "proper" scumread (when he has actually made like 20) is quite bs to say sicklucker is factually incorrect.

On June 22 2017 05:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
EBWOP: Between the game start and the sicklucker read on Xatalos.

On June 22 2017 05:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:

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On June 22 2017 05:13 disformation wrote:

On June 22 2017 05:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What is even the case on sicklucker? The "he did townie things"?

just posted it earlier...

On June 22 2017 03:52 disformation wrote:

On June 22 2017 03:38 sicklucker wrote:
disinfo let me try to change your mind since im pretty sure your one of the towns on this wagon and your here. what are your current problems with me this games to big to remember

eh lemme try to give you a tldr.
you were pushing annul super damn hard, but never explained why, although i asked you.
you had a basically false tr on xata. as in that tr was based on stuff that wasnt true.
then you admitted that annul was a bit town eod, but that didnt seem to bother you.
after the annul flip you had a few posts saying that the voting stuff didnt necessairly make xata scum.
ppl scumreading you tend to get shot at night.
you had a uncharacteristically active d1 and fell off super hard after that. though yeah d2 was kinda auto.

rels also has some stuffs here:

On June 21 2017 20:44 Rels wrote:
More killer stuff against SL, during N1. He can't explain why suddenly his Xata read changes just because it was a contested lynch. If he's scum he KNOWS Xata is gonna be probably killed soon, maybe even vig'd.

On June 16 2017 21:30 sicklucker wrote:
This is my tenitive reads list from most likely town to most likely scum.

Fecalfeast
darthfoley
Rels
disformation
Palmar
Ruxxar
raynpelikoneet
Koshi

^ id be kind of surprised if these guys were scum
btdm
ruXxar
Tumblewood
Xatalos
Grackaroni
Skynx
Vivax
Eversince
Holyflare
marvellosity

I doubt its that accurate since theres alot of people and just started but I thought id share about where my heads at

On June 16 2017 21:36 Holyflare wrote:

Nothing has changed. Absolutely 0 things have changed since you independently town read Xatalos based on his play. Zero. Zilch. Nada.

Why is he not on your town list?

On June 16 2017 21:43 Holyflare wrote:
You're so full of crap!

On June 16 2017 04:54 sicklucker wrote:
meh I dont think xatas filter is that bad. at least his ideas are unconventional to the thread which I kind of expect his town play

On June 16 2017 07:48 sicklucker wrote:
it kind of makes it easy that all my town reads are voting annul (ff rels ruxxarand to a lesser degree xata)

On June 16 2017 07:49 sicklucker wrote:

On June 16 2017 07:47 Holyflare wrote:

On June 16 2017 07:45 Eversince wrote:
This is going to make me look like garbage.

I haven't read anything since pg 35ish. Give me the the rough of what's happen between now and then for Xata, Annul, and SL.

I don't have time to fact check so my vote is entirely blind at this point.

sl came to the thread and town read xatalos because xatalos has different reads to most of the game (when in fact xatalos' reads are blending with the rest of the game

sl says i'm mafia for calling all the town leaders mafia and it's my mafia meta when 100% of other games he states my mafia meta is to push lurkers

sl is trying to force the wagon onto someone who is blatantly self-preserving and revealing his plan for all to see, who stubbornly refuses to change his reads despite everyone yelling at him mafia

sl is mafia

I said that because xata had a mafia read on ryan and everyone else town read him. get over it you lost save your buddy

What has changed since this in any way that changes Xatalos' alignment?

On June 16 2017 21:56 sicklucker wrote:

On June 16 2017 21:43 Holyflare wrote:
You're so full of crap!

On June 16 2017 04:54 sicklucker wrote:
meh I dont think xatas filter is that bad. at least his ideas are unconventional to the thread which I kind of expect his town play

On June 16 2017 07:48 sicklucker wrote:
it kind of makes it easy that all my town reads are voting annul (ff rels ruxxarand to a lesser degree xata)

On June 16 2017 07:49 sicklucker wrote:

On June 16 2017 07:47 Holyflare wrote:

I said that because xata had a mafia read on ryan and everyone else town read him. get over it you lost save your buddy

What has changed since this in any way that changes Xatalos' alignment?

the other wagon was town in a really close and contested vote...

That highly suggests hes mafia you know this your just trying to make me look bad

On June 16 2017 21:58 Holyflare wrote:
I don't give a crap what mafia nonsense you're spouting. You led a wagon on a towny and have absolutely no reason to town read xata. I have MULTIPLE times corrected you that xata doesn't scum read rayn. Which is THE ONLY reason you said you town read Xata despite saying he has opposite readS!! to the thread, you could only quote one and it was wrong.

Then you pushed a wagon on a guy who was not scummy, openly referenced his grand survival plan multiple times and then even you acknowledged he was looking towny.

Then you try and take someone referencing the one troll post you did early game (because let's face it you really did nothing else) as a slight town read because she didn't call you mafia from one post. The thing is she didn't call you town either.

You're worming your way through falsehoods, trying to push events that never happened. Palmar didn't spite vote you from last game, I didn't vote you with no case, vivax wasn't "being bad". All of these are reconstructions of what is actually happening in the game. You even said if palmar was around he'd move his vote but he was around and said he'd keep it there.

Then Eversince comes and has no reason not to vote you. Xatalos' flip will certainly give a shit tonne of information and i hope to god he's town because then her not voting you is the final nail in your coffin.

On June 16 2017 22:02 Holyflare wrote:

On June 16 2017 08:16 sicklucker wrote:
to be fair tho I mostly drove the close lynch. and I know im town so from my perspective I dont think xata necessary has to be mafia. but I completely understand people who think he and I am from what happened I might think the same

This is posted after the lynch. You don't even think it makes him mafia. A contested lynch means shit all. It's mafias job to make lynches mean nothing. It could be two towns, one mafia one town, anything. You haven't once used any information from it to make the reads nonsense you're posting.

You have me in a lynch list with xatalos who you are now calling mafia despite me trying to also hammer him. You have really really bad reads in this list. You have Eversince who has been pushed by vivax for eternity and myself since the flip, no evaluation.

You take bull shit posts and turn it into bigger bull shit reads and have no game sense. This is not the town SL I know that is solving conspiracy theories. This is an sl who more than likely saw his buddy xatalos up for lynch and fabricated nonsense to save him. When was the last time you tried on a day 1? When was there a time you've ever given a shit enough for a day 1 lynch to matter so much over a really thin town read on xata? Never, that's when.

I will make people see the light. Fiery vengeance will rain down upon you.

On June 16 2017 22:06 sicklucker wrote:
alright im not arguing with a lawyer anymore. unless your up for lynch

What is the false town read on Xatalos? I mean what stuff he said wasn't true. I just read his filter and tbh now i remember why i thought he was mafia on N1 but i got proven i was wrong because of the night kills N1. I wouldn't think anyone would understand that so i never bothered with it after. I don't think the read change on Xatalos makes sicklucker anything, maybe more likely town than mafia. Basically people were/are arguing that he knew Xatalos will be killed and that's why he changed his read mid-N1. But if he is mafia he knows that already when annul flips (or even before) so why doesn't he then just do it immediately after the flip, since he already has the reasoning ready (he is gonna use later on). It doesn't make any sense. Rest of it is not anything sicklucker did so i don't really care and the last point you debunked yourself in the same sentence..

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Germany8352 Posts

June 22 2017 18:20 GMT

#4751

i.e. i agree that the point with the "wrong" xata read is not nearly as strong as hf made it out to be and sl changing his xata opinion during n1 is not necessarily scummy

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Germany8352 Posts

June 22 2017 18:25 GMT

#4754

well wasnt that one of the main points?
cause imo the main points where:
1) he pushed annul super hard with a real bad tr on xata
2) he had xata as "not necessarily" scum at the start of the night

2) makes you look badish when xata flips, scum doesnt like

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Germany8352 Posts

June 22 2017 18:25 GMT

#4755

d2 was auto and sl is lazy as either alignment

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Germany8352 Posts

June 22 2017 18:29 GMT

#4758

On June 22 2017 23:49 Chezitwo wrote:

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He is not towny. Town!SL often uses bullshit logic but he usually arrives at decent conclusions. Yet he is pushing this town in a very bad direction without ever reevaluating. Rels brought good stuff up yesterday and also during the night. HF was extremely convinced SL is mafia and I very much respect his reads.

so it kinda boils down to meta and sl's agenda?
mnuch of the stuff from yesterday was from hf/the stuff we were talking about just now imo.
or did i forget something?

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Germany8352 Posts

June 22 2017 18:31 GMT

#4759

as i said earlier.
i feel like one of you is trying to convince me that sl is scum and the other is trying to convince me that sl is town.
and i have a really really hard time figuring out who is right

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Germany8352 Posts

June 22 2017 18:33 GMT

#4761

right doesnt sl still rock his n1 or whenever he made the post reads?

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