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ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 30 2017 15:36 GMT
#6413
My bullshit meter is blowing through the roof.

Can someone tell me if this is typical btdt meta?
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 30 2017 15:39 GMT
#6415
On July 01 2017 00:31 Fecalfeast wrote:
Man. I dont like this dayphase


I feel you man. Losing a buddy sure sucks.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 30 2017 15:40 GMT
#6416
On July 01 2017 00:39 beentheredonethat wrote:
can you just put in the fucking work by yourself?


Nah.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 30 2017 15:41 GMT
#6418
There's more than enough material here to vote for you.
The meta was just to satisfy my last bit of doubt.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 30 2017 15:43 GMT
#6419
On July 01 2017 00:41 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2017 00:40 ruXxar wrote:
On July 01 2017 00:39 beentheredonethat wrote:
can you just put in the fucking work by yourself?


Nah.

See this is why this town is so shitty. Literally the worst.

I do expect carry points and apologies post game because with my flip, you confirm two scummers

you'll kiss my buttcheeks once the game is over


How about you build a solid case on people we should lynch instead of you.

So far I'm not convinced.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 30 2017 15:46 GMT
#6423
On July 01 2017 00:43 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2017 00:41 ruXxar wrote:
There's more than enough material here to vote for you.
The meta was just to satisfy my last bit of doubt.

that's like so bad

I got mislynched D1 and received Worst Town Play 2017 award nomination
I got mislynched in my last game because I yelled at people and was as fearless as I am in this game

if you'd put in the fucking work you'd realize im exactly playing to my town meta
if you'd put in tthe fucking work you'd realize my scum meta is where I am rational, cold, and super tactical

if only you'd put in the fucking work
if only your brain would be capable of doing that

but it's not


sad

sad

sad town


Insulting me is not really going to help.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 30 2017 15:54 GMT
#6430
On July 01 2017 00:46 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2017 00:43 ruXxar wrote:
On July 01 2017 00:41 beentheredonethat wrote:
On July 01 2017 00:40 ruXxar wrote:
On July 01 2017 00:39 beentheredonethat wrote:
can you just put in the fucking work by yourself?


Nah.

See this is why this town is so shitty. Literally the worst.

I do expect carry points and apologies post game because with my flip, you confirm two scummers

you'll kiss my buttcheeks once the game is over


How about you build a solid case on people we should lynch instead of you.

So far I'm not convinced.

okay, so you haven't even read what I wrote.

VA is a fake claim. Fake. Claim. There's a strongman in. VA claimed to have shot sicklucker but scum rolecopped and strongmaned sicklucker. no kp happened besides that because roleblocker down and chez was attacked. Remember, chez = vet, so they had to shoot twice but we STILL HAD ONE KP EACH NIGHT

disfo with the strongman TMI is scum all the way, he speculated all game long about that and derailed the thread quite heavily with it.

VA has 4 pages of filter and has not read the game nor did he participate; all he did was claiming vig and that's it. Lurky scum. Disfo is the active scum. and then there's one more of course.


Ok, so this is my view of the world.

There is a strongman in the scum.
Chez is veteran, needs 2kp to die.

Mafia has 2kp first two nights, 2 towns die each night.
Day 3 SL is nk.
Day 4 Chez is nk. Chez is veteran.

VA claims vigi, shot SL. 1 mafia kp is missing.
Next night chez died, all mafia kp is accounted for.

Can you explain your version in the same way.

Explain it like I'm a 5 year old.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 30 2017 15:55 GMT
#6431
Forget the strongman line above.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 30 2017 16:13 GMT
#6435
On July 01 2017 01:08 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2017 00:54 ruXxar wrote:
On July 01 2017 00:46 beentheredonethat wrote:
On July 01 2017 00:43 ruXxar wrote:
On July 01 2017 00:41 beentheredonethat wrote:
On July 01 2017 00:40 ruXxar wrote:
On July 01 2017 00:39 beentheredonethat wrote:
can you just put in the fucking work by yourself?


Nah.

See this is why this town is so shitty. Literally the worst.

I do expect carry points and apologies post game because with my flip, you confirm two scummers

you'll kiss my buttcheeks once the game is over


How about you build a solid case on people we should lynch instead of you.

So far I'm not convinced.

okay, so you haven't even read what I wrote.

VA is a fake claim. Fake. Claim. There's a strongman in. VA claimed to have shot sicklucker but scum rolecopped and strongmaned sicklucker. no kp happened besides that because roleblocker down and chez was attacked. Remember, chez = vet, so they had to shoot twice but we STILL HAD ONE KP EACH NIGHT

disfo with the strongman TMI is scum all the way, he speculated all game long about that and derailed the thread quite heavily with it.

VA has 4 pages of filter and has not read the game nor did he participate; all he did was claiming vig and that's it. Lurky scum. Disfo is the active scum. and then there's one more of course.


Ok, so this is my view of the world.

There is a strongman in the scum.
Chez is veteran, needs 2kp to die.

Mafia has 2kp first two nights, 2 towns die each night.
Day 3 SL is nk.
Day 4 Chez is nk. Chez is veteran.

VA claims vigi, shot SL. 1 mafia kp is missing.
Next night chez died, all mafia kp is accounted for.

Can you explain your version in the same way.

Explain it like I'm a 5 year old.


Day 3, Mafia has only 1 KP left. And they have Strongarm, a mechanic that allows them to kill a blue through all protection, an additional, one-time KP.

What happens in the night phase is:
1. Mafia attack Chez with the regular KP
2. Mafia, who had rolecopped sicklucker previously, used Strongman on Sicklucker.

Chez survives the night, some players rejoice and go as far as thanking scum for the seeming KP because "the kill didn't make sense at all from scum perspective". This is the very moment of VA. VA, who had not participated in the game in any way before yet somehow managed to always cast his vote (Note: he was D1 outside of Xata/Annul, but D2 super early on the Grack wagon AND he joined BH's shenanigans (or voted Rels even before that, I didn't check timestamps)).

VA takes the risk and claims Vigilante, 1-shot. And remember, a vig is a investigative role after all.

There is no vig in, though. It's a fakeclaim, and because no vig is in, nobody bothered with it. But the setup is:

* Watcher
* Parity Cop
* Town Tracker
* Veteran

vs.

* Scum Tracker
* Rolecop
* Roleblocker
* Framer?
* GF/Untrackable?
Plus the additional KP and the Strongman.

To limit the power of the investigatives, at least one (Koshi) unaware Miller is in, maybe even more, plus the unaware Wanderer (darthfoley), maybe even more.

This is the setup. Only uncertainty are the remaining scum roles.


Thanks for this post. I will give some thoughts when I get home.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 30 2017 16:18 GMT
#6439
Just one thing though.

Why can't VA be the vigi?
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 30 2017 16:49 GMT
#6440
Another thing.

If you were so sure that VA is mafia, why didn't you push him as scum before you claimed watcher?
Why wait until you claimed watcher to start pushing VA?

Suddenly after you claim you are 100% super sure that VA fake claimed.
But you had that exact same information the moment that Chez flipped as veteran.

Why didn't you push VA earlier?
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 30 2017 16:59 GMT
#6443
On July 01 2017 01:55 beentheredonethat wrote:
Also I had lost complete track of everyone besides Skynx. I was super sure Skynx was scum so I didn't even consider others being scum besides Palmar of course.


Can you explain why VA can't simply be the vigi?
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 30 2017 17:15 GMT
#6444
On July 01 2017 01:54 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2017 01:15 Fecalfeast wrote:
Are you seriously still using the bunk logic that the host slipped by saying town tracker?

Yeah but I agree it's no must

Show nested quote +
On July 01 2017 01:18 Fecalfeast wrote:
You're also.claiming that there are 6 mafia since you added the strongman after your list of 5

Strongman = additional KP, not a role

Show nested quote +
On July 01 2017 01:49 ruXxar wrote:
Another thing.

If you were so sure that VA is mafia, why didn't you push him as scum before you claimed watcher?
Why wait until you claimed watcher to start pushing VA?

Suddenly after you claim you are 100% super sure that VA fake claimed.
But you had that exact same information the moment that Chez flipped as veteran.

Why didn't you push VA earlier?

I only realized today that this was a possibility. And since I'm Watcher, an ADDITIONAL blue doesn't make sense, so his claim must be fake since ES is confirmed by flip.


Wouldn't you say it makes less sense to have 2 "tracker roles" than a vigi and a tracker role?
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 30 2017 17:27 GMT
#6448
On July 01 2017 02:22 Fecalfeast wrote:
Where are you getting that the strongman is an additional kp not a role?

I'm not making any sense of thisnl stuff


This is what I got from mafia wiki:

Strongman is a role modifier that signifies that any kills performed by this player cannot be blocked by any means - neither by Bulletproof, nor by Doctor or other protective roles, nor by Roleblocks. It is, however, trumped by roles that prevent the victim from being targeted at all, namely Commuter and Hider.

Nowhere does it say that gives the player additional KP.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 30 2017 18:05 GMT
#6455
On July 01 2017 03:01 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2017 02:22 Fecalfeast wrote:
Where are you getting that the strongman is an additional kp not a role?

I'm not making any sense of thisnl stuff

That's my understanding of Strongman.

Show nested quote +
On July 01 2017 02:27 ruXxar wrote:
On July 01 2017 02:22 Fecalfeast wrote:
Where are you getting that the strongman is an additional kp not a role?

I'm not making any sense of thisnl stuff


This is what I got from mafia wiki:

Strongman is a role modifier that signifies that any kills performed by this player cannot be blocked by any means - neither by Bulletproof, nor by Doctor or other protective roles, nor by Roleblocks. It is, however, trumped by roles that prevent the victim from being targeted at all, namely Commuter and Hider.

Nowhere does it say that gives the player additional KP.


From the same source:

"Usually, One-Shot Strongman kills are put into the game to balance a potentially broken combination in the game."

It makes perfect sense that scum has one additional KP to get rid of a blue role they discovered.
Thing is: if Strongman is not additional KP, then VA's claim is the only explanation for having a KP every night AND Chez flipping Vet.

QED -> Strongman additional KP.


"Usually, One-Shot Strongman kills are put into the game to balance a potentially broken combination in the game."

It means that you have the strongman ability for 1 kill, not that you get 1 KP.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 30 2017 18:13 GMT
#6460
On July 01 2017 03:08 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2017 03:05 ruXxar wrote:
On July 01 2017 03:01 beentheredonethat wrote:
On July 01 2017 02:22 Fecalfeast wrote:
Where are you getting that the strongman is an additional kp not a role?

I'm not making any sense of thisnl stuff

That's my understanding of Strongman.

On July 01 2017 02:27 ruXxar wrote:
On July 01 2017 02:22 Fecalfeast wrote:
Where are you getting that the strongman is an additional kp not a role?

I'm not making any sense of thisnl stuff


This is what I got from mafia wiki:

Strongman is a role modifier that signifies that any kills performed by this player cannot be blocked by any means - neither by Bulletproof, nor by Doctor or other protective roles, nor by Roleblocks. It is, however, trumped by roles that prevent the victim from being targeted at all, namely Commuter and Hider.

Nowhere does it say that gives the player additional KP.


From the same source:

"Usually, One-Shot Strongman kills are put into the game to balance a potentially broken combination in the game."

It makes perfect sense that scum has one additional KP to get rid of a blue role they discovered.
Thing is: if Strongman is not additional KP, then VA's claim is the only explanation for having a KP every night AND Chez flipping Vet.

QED -> Strongman additional KP.


"Usually, One-Shot Strongman kills are put into the game to balance a potentially broken combination in the game."

It means that you have the strongman ability for 1 kill, not that you get 1 KP.

In a world where VA is the real vig, no strongarm is in.
In a world where VA is a fake claim, a strongarm is in and it is an additional KP because it is literally the only explanation for Chez flipping vet AND every night having exactly one death after the initial two nights with double kp.


In a world where VA is a fake claim, a strongarm is in and it is an additional KP because it is literally the only explanation for Chez flipping vet AND every night having exactly one death after the initial two nights with double kp.


I find this very unlikely.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 30 2017 18:45 GMT
#6468
On July 01 2017 03:25 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2017 03:13 ruXxar wrote:
On July 01 2017 03:08 beentheredonethat wrote:
On July 01 2017 03:05 ruXxar wrote:
On July 01 2017 03:01 beentheredonethat wrote:
On July 01 2017 02:22 Fecalfeast wrote:
Where are you getting that the strongman is an additional kp not a role?

I'm not making any sense of thisnl stuff

That's my understanding of Strongman.

On July 01 2017 02:27 ruXxar wrote:
On July 01 2017 02:22 Fecalfeast wrote:
Where are you getting that the strongman is an additional kp not a role?

I'm not making any sense of thisnl stuff


This is what I got from mafia wiki:

Strongman is a role modifier that signifies that any kills performed by this player cannot be blocked by any means - neither by Bulletproof, nor by Doctor or other protective roles, nor by Roleblocks. It is, however, trumped by roles that prevent the victim from being targeted at all, namely Commuter and Hider.

Nowhere does it say that gives the player additional KP.


From the same source:

"Usually, One-Shot Strongman kills are put into the game to balance a potentially broken combination in the game."

It makes perfect sense that scum has one additional KP to get rid of a blue role they discovered.
Thing is: if Strongman is not additional KP, then VA's claim is the only explanation for having a KP every night AND Chez flipping Vet.

QED -> Strongman additional KP.


"Usually, One-Shot Strongman kills are put into the game to balance a potentially broken combination in the game."

It means that you have the strongman ability for 1 kill, not that you get 1 KP.

In a world where VA is the real vig, no strongarm is in.
In a world where VA is a fake claim, a strongarm is in and it is an additional KP because it is literally the only explanation for Chez flipping vet AND every night having exactly one death after the initial two nights with double kp.


In a world where VA is a fake claim, a strongarm is in and it is an additional KP because it is literally the only explanation for Chez flipping vet AND every night having exactly one death after the initial two nights with double kp.


I find this very unlikely.

But why is this very unlikely? It is exactly the world that brings us to the situation we're in, KP wise, and it also explains why the majority of wagons was pretty clearly on town and the majority of discussions never had a clear target. Town revolving all around itself with scum only executing drive-by posts if need be and besides that, leaning back and laughing heavily.



Unlikely because:

1) Having a vigi is way more likely than a mafia one-shot strongarm vigi. (I'm sure statistics back me up here).

2) You are assuming that they strongarmed SL. This is flawed because:
- If they are afraid that SL is a veteran, they could just wait for him to get lynched next day.
- There was no reason to believe that SL would be protected by any town roles, everyone wanted to lynch him.
- If they are afraid that SL is an investigative role(like a cop) then they could simply NK him without strongarm.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 30 2017 18:49 GMT
#6470
PSA:

I will be at the cinema at EOD, so I won't be be here.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 01 2017 10:38 GMT
#6490
On July 01 2017 16:47 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2017 06:35 beentheredonethat wrote:


I want to wholeheartedly apologize for all the toxicity, insults and what not I did in this game. I am seriously sorry for that.

GG's

*repeats this*

GG


GG. Well fought!!
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 01 2017 15:58 GMT
#6493
So how many mafia left, 1 or 2?
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
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