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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 29 2017 18:14 GMT
#6321
Obviously assuming Rels is town.
table for two on a tv tray
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 29 2017 18:15 GMT
#6322
hmm okay. yeah would be really weird/risky for both of them to do weird stuff.
i had the idea that they were trying to setup both skynx and rels.

but that is also unflipped stuff etc
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 29 2017 18:16 GMT
#6323
do you think it could be ruxxar and fefe?
that is kinda my tinfoil thing.
but the last time i skimmed ruxxar a bit he looked town
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 29 2017 18:17 GMT
#6324
On June 30 2017 03:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2017 03:09 Rels wrote:
On June 30 2017 02:43 disformation wrote:
but i agree that rels should go back and talk more about:
On June 28 2017 18:20 Rels wrote:
Skynx is not scum.
disfo is not scum.
rayn is not scum.
FF is probably not scum.

BH is scum.

This is where I'm restarting from.

On June 28 2017 18:44 Rels wrote:
I'll make posts explaining my thoughts when I have the time IE tonight. The TLDR on Skynx is his continuous investigative tone + how he thinks about the game, trying to find teams that makes sense + attacking disfo when it makes no sense to do that.
I have opinion on BTDT. My opinion is that I'm conflicted. More on that tonight


yeah I wanted to make a case on BH + reread filters yesterday night. But my GF had other plans p:

The case on balzinghand is irrelevant today.
Tell me what i asked you about your Skynx read.

It was not yesterday. And it's not irrelevant since BTDT is 99% the lynch now.
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
June 29 2017 18:18 GMT
#6325
On June 30 2017 03:16 disformation wrote:
do you think it could be ruxxar and fefe?
that is kinda my tinfoil thing.
but the last time i skimmed ruxxar a bit he looked town

Wow

I get that i suck but this is the worst teammate I think you could come up with for me lol
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disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 29 2017 18:18 GMT
#6326
hmmmm...
the thing is btdt dropped the skynx scum read for some reason when he claimed watcher.
went from 100% skynx + probably disfo + probably rels
to 100% va 100% disfo
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 29 2017 18:19 GMT
#6327
On June 30 2017 03:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2017 03:11 disformation wrote:
bh not 100% sure yet, but his eod was also super weird.
so i can see scum trying to setup some ml's and fucking up.
makes also sense with a world where rels is town.

That doesn't make any sense since whichever of Palmar / Rels gets lynched the other one is already a mislynch #1. That's why i am conflicted on why what BOTH btdt and BH did on EoD. There has to be a reason, and "setuping a mislynch on Rels/Palmar the next day" is not a conclusion 100%.

First, it makes sense exactly to make you think BH is town 'caues scum wouldn't do it.
Second, I remember BH being shennannies king. I even think he was famous for that at one point.
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
June 29 2017 18:19 GMT
#6328
Also I arguably have done more since d3 than I did days 2 and 3 since I spent 2 of my breaks doing a vca that led to my current vote so your reason for scummin me doesn't really fit with the game-long tr you've given me
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Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 29 2017 18:20 GMT
#6329
rayn I have no idea how you can not scumread BH over me. I don't know why everyone in this game seems to consider us at kinda the same level. I see only scum in him.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 29 2017 18:20 GMT
#6330
Time to leave to work.
disformation make Rels answer this Skynx thing if you have time.
table for two on a tv tray
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 29 2017 18:21 GMT
#6331
On June 30 2017 03:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Time to leave to work.
disformation make Rels answer this Skynx thing if you have time.

I answered you last page ...
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 29 2017 18:22 GMT
#6332
On June 30 2017 03:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Time to leave to work.
disformation make Rels answer this Skynx thing if you have time.

um:
On June 30 2017 03:02 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2017 01:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
okay disformation shut up on this.

Rels can you give me examples of:
Skynx is his continuous investigative tone + how he thinks about the game, trying to find teams that makes sense + attacking disfo when it makes no sense to do that.

please

For the tone, it's basically the whole shitfight with BTDT, where he is seems much more natural than BTDT.
Thinking about what team makes sense + attacking disfo, it's these posts where he suddenly townreads BTDT when he doesn't need to as scum, then doesn't buddy town leaders:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2017 04:08 Skynx wrote:
On June 22 2017 18:48 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 22 2017 08:01 Half the Sky wrote:
Final Vote Count - Day 3


Grackaroni (9): ruXxar, Fecalfeast, Chezitwo, beentheredonethat, VayneAuthority, Tumblewood, sicklucker, Blazinghand, raynpelikoneet, disformation, Palmar, Eversince
sicklucker (3): disformation, Palmar, Grackaroni, Rels, Skynx, Chezitwo, Grackaroni
Palmar (2): disformation, Grackaroni, disformation, Fecalfeast
VayneAuthority (1): Grackaroni
disformation (0): disformation
Rels (0): sicklucker, raynpelikoneet, Skynx
Fecalfeast (0): Tumblewood
Skynx (0): Palmar, Skynx
raynpelikoneet (0): Rels
ruXxar (0): Blazinghand
beentheredonethat (0): disformation

Half the Sky is throwing Grackaroni out of her whiskey bar.


Observations:
1 Pretty much uncontested Grack wagon
2 Votes in hammer range on town: Tumblewood, sicklucker, Blazinghand
3 Irrelevant votes: raynpelikoneet, Palmar (starting with Rayn as hammer because Fecalfeast was originally part of the Grack wagon)
4 "Counter wagon" votes: Rels, Skynx, Chezitwo
5 Wasted votes: disformation, (Fecalfeast)

re: 1)

Having an uncontested wagon where no big discussion is revolving around pretty much means it's a town wagon. However, I think there was actually a lot of discussion in the past day, especially started by Rels. I am town reading Rels right now; he came out of the lurker shadows to actually talk. I also like his fighting with rayn and I'm super worried about rayn not being the town super hero that pushes people around. So Rels up, rayn down, although I gotta admit I haven't looked too deeply into the fight these two have.

My association between Skynx and Grack was obviously wrong. Nevertheless I find it super suspicious that Skynx chimed in, threw around some shade, later on pissed off, let the Grack lynch happen without really putting in work to push the sicklucker lynch. I am sure that there is scum on the Grack wagon and I am fairly certain that not all scummers are on that wagon; and Skynx' vote feels off. We have two mislynches as someone pointed out; so a vig shot (if available) gets more and more risky - but Skynx is a decent target. But I'm super super super afraid here.


Scum pool: Skynx, Eversince (voted super late each time)
Town should be: disformation (mehhhhhhhh, and only if he doesn't die this night lol, and town rage), Chezitwo (mainly based on D2), Rels (based on D3)
Meh: Palmar, Tumblewood, Blazinghand, ruxxar, Fecalfeast, VayneAuthority, sicklucker, rayn

I hope I didn't forget anyone.

re: 2)

These three players were basically the ones who sealed the Grack lynch: Tumblewood, sicklucker, Blazinghand. All of them will be moved to the scum pool for that:

Scum pool: Skynx, Eversince, Tumblewood, sicklucker, Blazinghand
Town should be: disformation, Chezitwo, Rels
Meh: Palmar, ruxxar, Fecalfeast, VayneAuthority, rayn

So without further ado, they come into the scum pool.

re: 3)

Same as 2), can just be scum chiming in.

Scum pool: Skynx, Eversince, Tumblewood, sicklucker, Blazinghand, Palmar, rayn
Town should be: disformation, Chezitwo, Rels
Meh: ruxxar, Fecalfeast, VayneAuthority

re: 4)

Rels pushing sicklucker matches what he did all D2. I don't think that this is scum pushing a second town wagon here. So if Rels would be scum, then sicklucker would most likely also be scum and we have a bus attempt to get town cred, which IMHO is a rather bad and useless bus because there's no way Rels gains towncred from this vote if sicklucker flips scum at any point. Skynx' vote on the other hand isn't as solid als Rels' vote. He not voting Grack (although he did say something about voting Grack, or am I wrong there?) is actually scum indicative here as he pretty much wasted his vote, putting it on unflipped instead of townflip. I'm certain Skynx is scum.

Chezitwo voting sicklucker - mehhhhhhhhhhhhh. Given how super eager he was to lynch Xata over Xata's cop claim, I don't know why he voted sicklucker here and kinda wasted his vote. I need to check the context of that vote as well as the reasoning. NAI imho but I'm not too sure. I don't have too many townreads so I'll keep him on the list "just cause" but I am indeed a bit paranoid.

re: 5) The only thing that comes to my mind is that disfo said early D3 that he'd end up voting Grackaroni anyways. Not sure what to make out of that but it striked me as weird.

[bolded]You know what btdt is town, All of the previous day he associated me with Grack, actually believing Grack is mafia and obv ready to lynch me after Grack flips scum. If he's scum he obv knows Grack's gona flip town so this doesn't make sense from his pow. Ofc this is fakeable but just fits more to tunneled bad town imo. Imagine i switched to grack, he's still gona sr me. He's just tunneled for whatever reason and doesn't want to drop his shitty read on me and look bad so comes up with bunch of shade throwing. I'm gona ignore him for now cuz he's irritating.

Show nested quote +
On June 27 2017 04:41 Skynx wrote:
I disagree strongly with BH on
Remember, during a period of time, SL had flipped and we were trying to reason things out. Scum, we can now reasonably infer, had shot Chez and noticed it failed, and on top of that, that SL who they did not shoot has flipped. Scum doesn't know what happened, what prots if any went on, who shot whom, etc. This was exciting and interesting news for town, and confusing news for scum, what happened with the D1 flip. After the VA claim, scum had a lot more information to work on and probably came out of the woodwork, and after the ES claim, they were safe to operate and make statements with surety about what checks they were opearing against, and to bus/not bus etc. I think scum had every motivation in the world to NOT be posting right after that flip. It would be very risky. So the people who dove into convo with me, FF, Disfo, and Ruxxar, are highly unlikely to be scum in my view.


In fact at least 1 scum would prolly pop in and comment on stuff without committing so clearing people this way is not the best idea, especially the first hours of the day where people are discussing mechanics.

Show nested quote +
On June 27 2017 06:11 Skynx wrote:
Fefe i dont like since D1 but cant really put together a case either. He is around and when he talks he makes sense but not in a game solving way if that makes sense.

I'm gona have to filter dive people at some point. Hope Palmar is mafia and not 3P otherwise im pretty lost since now i tr btdt.

Ruxxar is still very town so fefe/rels as scum on annul makes sense but now 3 votes piled up on rels all of a sudden when previously most ppl whos not rayn was tring him. I like rayn but not yet convinced on rels.

You being alive this late in the game is also not a good sign disfo.

Show nested quote +
On June 27 2017 06:18 Skynx wrote:
On June 27 2017 06:17 disformation wrote:
On June 27 2017 06:11 Skynx wrote:
Fefe i dont like since D1 but cant really put together a case either. He is around and when he talks he makes sense but not in a game solving way if that makes sense.

I'm gona have to filter dive people at some point. Hope Palmar is mafia and not 3P otherwise im pretty lost since now i tr btdt.

Ruxxar is still very town so fefe/rels as scum on annul makes sense but now 3 votes piled up on rels all of a sudden when previously most ppl whos not rayn was tring him. I like rayn but not yet convinced on rels.

You being alive this late in the game is also not a good sign disfo.

why?

You've been the town pillar since D1, i expect them to shoot you at some point but they haven't so.


disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 29 2017 18:23 GMT
#6333
On June 30 2017 03:19 Fecalfeast wrote:
Also I arguably have done more since d3 than I did days 2 and 3 since I spent 2 of my breaks doing a vca that led to my current vote so your reason for scummin me doesn't really fit with the game-long tr you've given me

nah i thought your eod3 reaction was fairly town at the time.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 29 2017 18:25 GMT
#6334
and i really didnt like your eod last phase. think i mentioned that b4.
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
June 29 2017 18:25 GMT
#6335
On June 30 2017 03:23 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2017 03:19 Fecalfeast wrote:
Also I arguably have done more since d3 than I did days 2 and 3 since I spent 2 of my breaks doing a vca that led to my current vote so your reason for scummin me doesn't really fit with the game-long tr you've given me

nah i thought your eod3 reaction was fairly town at the time.

Ok so you're scumreading me because my contributions lately are worse than my reaction at eod3?

That sounds like a non sequitor
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Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
June 29 2017 18:26 GMT
#6336
On June 30 2017 03:25 disformation wrote:
and i really didnt like your eod last phase. think i mentioned that b4.

What about it?
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disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 29 2017 18:26 GMT
#6337
see you freaking out about this pretty hard isnt helping.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 29 2017 18:27 GMT
#6338
On June 28 2017 17:51 disformation wrote:
anyway:
town: rayn, va, es
50/50: fefe, skynx
lynchables: rels, btdt

bh is imo town, his eod makes no sense as scum. prolly somewhere between town and 50/50 town lean so to say. like why would scum!bh stick out his neck this hard and try to save palmar when he is scum with rels or it is a tvt? makes little sense to me. to much emotion in bh for scum. not impossible he is setting up a palmar into rels ml in a tvt world, but dunno not feeling it.
fefe got demoted for sitting on his hands eod, while pushing in neither direction.
dont mind skynx eod.

i really dont like btdt's eod and dont see that coming from a town pov, as just outlined.
rels had a bunch of posts i really disliked after the flip and he was a fairly contested counterwagon. maybe should have listened to rayn.

somehow forget about ruxxar. will check later.

VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
June 29 2017 18:27 GMT
#6339
Neither part of this btdt thing makes sense. If he's the watcher the setup feels imbalanced, but how does he fake being paranoid this much to the point that he thinks im mafia?

He reminds me a lot of SL
I come in for the scraps
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 29 2017 18:30 GMT
#6340
he cannot be watcher.
parity cop + tracker + watcher is 100% not balanced.

@fefe;
anyways you are not the lunch today.
so if you are town you are welcome to do/post stuff that makes me change my mind.
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