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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
June 27 2017 17:34 GMT
#5721
On June 28 2017 01:41 Rels wrote:
well. OK.
##Unvote
##Vote Palmar

Rels lynching people he doesn't think are mafia.

noted.
Computer says mafia
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
June 27 2017 17:42 GMT
#5722
On June 28 2017 02:34 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2017 01:41 Rels wrote:
well. OK.
##Unvote
##Vote Palmar

Rels lynching people he doesn't think are mafia.

noted.

Oh hey I missed that.

Rels can you explain?
ModeratorINFLATE YOUR POST COUNT; PLAY TL MAFIA
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 27 2017 17:46 GMT
#5723
On June 28 2017 02:33 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2017 02:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
2) I tryhard when I'm mafia. I always do it because the QT sort of forces me to. I have my teammates there right in front of me and I get far more of a "team boost" than I do as town. In general, my play is extremely similar to a baseline of "act like a normal human being" when I'm mafia. On the other hand, when I'm town I play a myriad of styles, from lurking afk to spamming to playing characters or even having multiple personalities.

Now this is factually false. 100% factually false.


Nope it's not, it's true but as usual you are absolutely fucking terrible at knowing my meta. I don't think anyone on TL has as many delusions and bullshit about what my play is as you do. You're literally the worst on TL in knowing anything about me, because every game you say something that's wrong.

Yes i am lately. Because for some reason you have started doing same kind of stuff you used to only do as mafia (regardless of how much time you had to play) like 3 yrs ago. You can call a couple of pages of one liners and some big posts tryharding if you want to but failing to follow a logical train of thought... i would not really call that tryharding. If you want examples you should probably look at the game where you claimed cop and followed it up with how mafia should play, or when you said you'd sheep someone and then do the opposite at the end of D1 in Outlaw.

What i am trying to say is that you can look like you're tryharding but you're really not.
table for two on a tv tray
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
June 27 2017 17:49 GMT
#5724
Hm.

Palmar wagon seems trash just based on votes plus the rels switch for no apparent reason is disconcerting
ModeratorINFLATE YOUR POST COUNT; PLAY TL MAFIA
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 27 2017 17:51 GMT
#5725
On June 28 2017 02:31 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2017 02:13 ruXxar wrote:
On June 28 2017 01:59 Palmar wrote:
On June 28 2017 01:54 ruXxar wrote:
On June 28 2017 01:53 Palmar wrote:
Can someone please tell me why I am mafia?

Note: if your argument is that I've been less active and less deeply involved than normal, can you provide an explanation as to why that discrepancy means I am mafia?


How about you tell us why you are town?

1) I haven't played much, but when I have I have done it with the sole intent of making reads or solving the game. I haven't engaged in any arguments or pointless fights or otherwise created content just to create it. Almost all my posts are reflections on reading a filter or commentary on something that interests me.

2) I tryhard when I'm mafia. I always do it because the QT sort of forces me to. I have my teammates there right in front of me and I get far more of a "team boost" than I do as town. In general, my play is extremely similar to a baseline of "act like a normal human being" when I'm mafia. On the other hand, when I'm town I play a myriad of styles, from lurking afk to spamming to playing characters or even having multiple personalities.

3) While some have called my reads shallow, they're all based on reality. I read something, think something about it and run with it.

4) I care more about being right than surviving. I could easily have jumped the Rels wagon, but I just don't think it's the best lynch. I really, really think btdt is 100% going to flip mafia this game. I don't really think Rels will. I will obviously lynch Rels over myself, but it's not what I want. I am truly disappointed people are buying btdt's act. Rayn saying a guy who has been here over a year is a "new player" is just... meh.



1) Engaging with people is what the game is all about.
If you don't do it, we have a hard time discerning people's alignments.
Which is exactly the reason why people want to lynch you.
Not participating in the game makes it harder for town to win, not easier.

2) Meta read

3) You didn't really seem to run with it day when you said that darth foley was possible mafia.
You didn't even expand on what you read that made you think that.

On June 16 2017 16:39 Palmar wrote:
I clicked darthfoley's filter. I don't like it much, and I would expect him to be a relatively easy townread if he was town. I think he is a good candidate for being mafia.


Where is the follow up? Where is the reasoning? Where is the push?

4) If you cared about being right, then why didn't you push your scum read on DF?¨


Because I didn't really think he was super lock scum. It was weak at best. I don't think I even voted him did I?


Then why throw out that read? What was the purpose?

Because it looks an awful lot like you're trying to either:
1) bait people into pushing DF.
2) discredit DF, who is pushing scum!xata.

I don't see any town motivation behind that post, so please explain it to me.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
June 27 2017 17:52 GMT
#5726
On June 28 2017 02:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2017 02:33 Palmar wrote:
On June 28 2017 02:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
2) I tryhard when I'm mafia. I always do it because the QT sort of forces me to. I have my teammates there right in front of me and I get far more of a "team boost" than I do as town. In general, my play is extremely similar to a baseline of "act like a normal human being" when I'm mafia. On the other hand, when I'm town I play a myriad of styles, from lurking afk to spamming to playing characters or even having multiple personalities.

Now this is factually false. 100% factually false.


Nope it's not, it's true but as usual you are absolutely fucking terrible at knowing my meta. I don't think anyone on TL has as many delusions and bullshit about what my play is as you do. You're literally the worst on TL in knowing anything about me, because every game you say something that's wrong.

Yes i am lately. Because for some reason you have started doing same kind of stuff you used to only do as mafia (regardless of how much time you had to play) like 3 yrs ago. You can call a couple of pages of one liners and some big posts tryharding if you want to but failing to follow a logical train of thought... i would not really call that tryharding. If you want examples you should probably look at the game where you claimed cop and followed it up with how mafia should play, or when you said you'd sheep someone and then do the opposite at the end of D1 in Outlaw.

What i am trying to say is that you can look like you're tryharding but you're really not.

Oh I am not tryharding this game at all. That was one of the decisions I made,I was only gonna do as much work as I felt like.

My point is not that I'm tryharding, my point is that what little I try is useful and good, because I'm town.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
June 27 2017 17:55 GMT
#5727
On June 28 2017 02:51 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2017 02:31 Palmar wrote:
On June 28 2017 02:13 ruXxar wrote:
On June 28 2017 01:59 Palmar wrote:
On June 28 2017 01:54 ruXxar wrote:
On June 28 2017 01:53 Palmar wrote:
Can someone please tell me why I am mafia?

Note: if your argument is that I've been less active and less deeply involved than normal, can you provide an explanation as to why that discrepancy means I am mafia?


How about you tell us why you are town?

1) I haven't played much, but when I have I have done it with the sole intent of making reads or solving the game. I haven't engaged in any arguments or pointless fights or otherwise created content just to create it. Almost all my posts are reflections on reading a filter or commentary on something that interests me.

2) I tryhard when I'm mafia. I always do it because the QT sort of forces me to. I have my teammates there right in front of me and I get far more of a "team boost" than I do as town. In general, my play is extremely similar to a baseline of "act like a normal human being" when I'm mafia. On the other hand, when I'm town I play a myriad of styles, from lurking afk to spamming to playing characters or even having multiple personalities.

3) While some have called my reads shallow, they're all based on reality. I read something, think something about it and run with it.

4) I care more about being right than surviving. I could easily have jumped the Rels wagon, but I just don't think it's the best lynch. I really, really think btdt is 100% going to flip mafia this game. I don't really think Rels will. I will obviously lynch Rels over myself, but it's not what I want. I am truly disappointed people are buying btdt's act. Rayn saying a guy who has been here over a year is a "new player" is just... meh.



1) Engaging with people is what the game is all about.
If you don't do it, we have a hard time discerning people's alignments.
Which is exactly the reason why people want to lynch you.
Not participating in the game makes it harder for town to win, not easier.

2) Meta read

3) You didn't really seem to run with it day when you said that darth foley was possible mafia.
You didn't even expand on what you read that made you think that.

On June 16 2017 16:39 Palmar wrote:
I clicked darthfoley's filter. I don't like it much, and I would expect him to be a relatively easy townread if he was town. I think he is a good candidate for being mafia.


Where is the follow up? Where is the reasoning? Where is the push?

4) If you cared about being right, then why didn't you push your scum read on DF?¨


Because I didn't really think he was super lock scum. It was weak at best. I don't think I even voted him did I?


Then why throw out that read? What was the purpose?

Because it looks an awful lot like you're trying to either:
1) bait people into pushing DF.
2) discredit DF, who is pushing scum!xata.

I don't see any town motivation behind that post, so please explain it to me.


To give people an idea about what I felt about him at the time.

I follow a very, very simple script when I play mafia. I give my reads and I vote for the person I believe is most likely to flip mafia. I sometimes scumread half the game, but it's really only who I try to kill that matters.

Like, I'm currently saying FF may be mafia based on his contributions today, so you guys know how I feel about that, but I'm not trying to kill him, it's not my strongest read. I am sticking with my strongest read.

When I discredit people I do it like I just did with rayn, I attack their premise instead of their alignment. There is no need to call someone scum to discredit him, it's much easier to call them bad. I don't think rayn is mafia, but god do I know he's bad.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
June 27 2017 17:55 GMT
#5728
On June 28 2017 02:49 Fecalfeast wrote:
Hm.

Palmar wagon seems trash just based on votes plus the rels switch for no apparent reason is disconcerting

Rels voting with his #1 scumread also noted.

Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
June 27 2017 17:56 GMT
#5729
Like fuck it guys.

Give me one lynch, then you can do whatever stupidity you want.

Kill btdt for me.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
June 27 2017 17:56 GMT
#5730
I don't really wanna kill rels, although him voting me is super weird and bad given his earlier adamant stance that I must not be mafia.

I want to kill btdt.
Computer says mafia
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 27 2017 18:00 GMT
#5731
On June 28 2017 02:52 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2017 02:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 28 2017 02:33 Palmar wrote:
On June 28 2017 02:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
2) I tryhard when I'm mafia. I always do it because the QT sort of forces me to. I have my teammates there right in front of me and I get far more of a "team boost" than I do as town. In general, my play is extremely similar to a baseline of "act like a normal human being" when I'm mafia. On the other hand, when I'm town I play a myriad of styles, from lurking afk to spamming to playing characters or even having multiple personalities.

Now this is factually false. 100% factually false.


Nope it's not, it's true but as usual you are absolutely fucking terrible at knowing my meta. I don't think anyone on TL has as many delusions and bullshit about what my play is as you do. You're literally the worst on TL in knowing anything about me, because every game you say something that's wrong.

Yes i am lately. Because for some reason you have started doing same kind of stuff you used to only do as mafia (regardless of how much time you had to play) like 3 yrs ago. You can call a couple of pages of one liners and some big posts tryharding if you want to but failing to follow a logical train of thought... i would not really call that tryharding. If you want examples you should probably look at the game where you claimed cop and followed it up with how mafia should play, or when you said you'd sheep someone and then do the opposite at the end of D1 in Outlaw.

What i am trying to say is that you can look like you're tryharding but you're really not.

Oh I am not tryharding this game at all. That was one of the decisions I made,I was only gonna do as much work as I felt like.

My point is not that I'm tryharding, my point is that what little I try is useful and good, because I'm town.

I know you are not tryharding. I also don't see how what you are doing is useful and good sadly. Look i wanted to talk to you about Rels. I have wanted to since last thursday when you showed some life while knowing weekend is coming. Finally yesterday you actually engaged me in conversation about it but that dropped as soon as i actually asked your opinion on the things on him. I asked you about FF, and i don't think that is much:
I follow a very, very simple script when I play mafia. I give my reads and I vote for the person I believe is most likely to flip mafia. I sometimes scumread half the game, but it's really only who I try to kill that matters.

Like, I'm currently saying FF may be mafia based on his contributions today, so you guys know how I feel about that, but I'm not trying to kill him, it's not my strongest read. I am sticking with my strongest read.

The reason i usually end up scumreading you is because i try to engage into a conversation with you about who i think is mafia and who you think is mafia but as soon as i try, you drop off the face of earth. If i am completely honest you're doing it again. I don't think btdt is mafia. I don't know if you think or do not think Rels is mafia. I have absolutely no idea where you actually stand in this game except that you think btdt is mafia. And it is worrying me because i am trying to find a mafia lynch where people can actually fucking agree on. I don't necessarily need you for doing that, but generally trust in your insight so i would rather have you help. And you not doing that is worrying me.

And now i gotta fucking leave to work in 15 minutes.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 27 2017 18:01 GMT
#5732
I am not going to lynch my townread when the other wagons are my top scumread and someone i have no idea of. So there is that.
table for two on a tv tray
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 27 2017 18:02 GMT
#5733
On June 28 2017 02:55 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2017 02:51 ruXxar wrote:
On June 28 2017 02:31 Palmar wrote:
On June 28 2017 02:13 ruXxar wrote:
On June 28 2017 01:59 Palmar wrote:
On June 28 2017 01:54 ruXxar wrote:
On June 28 2017 01:53 Palmar wrote:
Can someone please tell me why I am mafia?

Note: if your argument is that I've been less active and less deeply involved than normal, can you provide an explanation as to why that discrepancy means I am mafia?


How about you tell us why you are town?

1) I haven't played much, but when I have I have done it with the sole intent of making reads or solving the game. I haven't engaged in any arguments or pointless fights or otherwise created content just to create it. Almost all my posts are reflections on reading a filter or commentary on something that interests me.

2) I tryhard when I'm mafia. I always do it because the QT sort of forces me to. I have my teammates there right in front of me and I get far more of a "team boost" than I do as town. In general, my play is extremely similar to a baseline of "act like a normal human being" when I'm mafia. On the other hand, when I'm town I play a myriad of styles, from lurking afk to spamming to playing characters or even having multiple personalities.

3) While some have called my reads shallow, they're all based on reality. I read something, think something about it and run with it.

4) I care more about being right than surviving. I could easily have jumped the Rels wagon, but I just don't think it's the best lynch. I really, really think btdt is 100% going to flip mafia this game. I don't really think Rels will. I will obviously lynch Rels over myself, but it's not what I want. I am truly disappointed people are buying btdt's act. Rayn saying a guy who has been here over a year is a "new player" is just... meh.



1) Engaging with people is what the game is all about.
If you don't do it, we have a hard time discerning people's alignments.
Which is exactly the reason why people want to lynch you.
Not participating in the game makes it harder for town to win, not easier.

2) Meta read

3) You didn't really seem to run with it day when you said that darth foley was possible mafia.
You didn't even expand on what you read that made you think that.

On June 16 2017 16:39 Palmar wrote:
I clicked darthfoley's filter. I don't like it much, and I would expect him to be a relatively easy townread if he was town. I think he is a good candidate for being mafia.


Where is the follow up? Where is the reasoning? Where is the push?

4) If you cared about being right, then why didn't you push your scum read on DF?¨


Because I didn't really think he was super lock scum. It was weak at best. I don't think I even voted him did I?


Then why throw out that read? What was the purpose?

Because it looks an awful lot like you're trying to either:
1) bait people into pushing DF.
2) discredit DF, who is pushing scum!xata.

I don't see any town motivation behind that post, so please explain it to me.


To give people an idea about what I felt about him at the time.

I follow a very, very simple script when I play mafia. I give my reads and I vote for the person I believe is most likely to flip mafia. I sometimes scumread half the game, but it's really only who I try to kill that matters.

Like, I'm currently saying FF may be mafia based on his contributions today, so you guys know how I feel about that, but I'm not trying to kill him, it's not my strongest read. I am sticking with my strongest read.

When I discredit people I do it like I just did with rayn, I attack their premise instead of their alignment. There is no need to call someone scum to discredit him, it's much easier to call them bad. I don't think rayn is mafia, but god do I know he's bad.


There's nothing in here that makes me feel better about you, sorry.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25555 Posts
June 27 2017 18:07 GMT
#5734
On June 28 2017 02:34 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2017 01:41 Rels wrote:
well. OK.
##Unvote
##Vote Palmar

Rels lynching people he doesn't think are mafia.

noted.


yeah this is pretty fuckin weird even in the "Rels and Palm are both scum" world cause surely he can't imagine he's gonna get cred for such a bus... right? or is he actually angling for it
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25555 Posts
June 27 2017 18:07 GMT
#5735
On June 28 2017 02:49 Fecalfeast wrote:
Hm.

Palmar wagon seems trash just based on votes plus the rels switch for no apparent reason is disconcerting


sure but what about the actual Palmar
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
June 27 2017 18:09 GMT
#5736
On June 28 2017 03:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2017 02:52 Palmar wrote:
On June 28 2017 02:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 28 2017 02:33 Palmar wrote:
On June 28 2017 02:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
2) I tryhard when I'm mafia. I always do it because the QT sort of forces me to. I have my teammates there right in front of me and I get far more of a "team boost" than I do as town. In general, my play is extremely similar to a baseline of "act like a normal human being" when I'm mafia. On the other hand, when I'm town I play a myriad of styles, from lurking afk to spamming to playing characters or even having multiple personalities.

Now this is factually false. 100% factually false.


Nope it's not, it's true but as usual you are absolutely fucking terrible at knowing my meta. I don't think anyone on TL has as many delusions and bullshit about what my play is as you do. You're literally the worst on TL in knowing anything about me, because every game you say something that's wrong.

Yes i am lately. Because for some reason you have started doing same kind of stuff you used to only do as mafia (regardless of how much time you had to play) like 3 yrs ago. You can call a couple of pages of one liners and some big posts tryharding if you want to but failing to follow a logical train of thought... i would not really call that tryharding. If you want examples you should probably look at the game where you claimed cop and followed it up with how mafia should play, or when you said you'd sheep someone and then do the opposite at the end of D1 in Outlaw.

What i am trying to say is that you can look like you're tryharding but you're really not.

Oh I am not tryharding this game at all. That was one of the decisions I made,I was only gonna do as much work as I felt like.

My point is not that I'm tryharding, my point is that what little I try is useful and good, because I'm town.

I know you are not tryharding. I also don't see how what you are doing is useful and good sadly. Look i wanted to talk to you about Rels. I have wanted to since last thursday when you showed some life while knowing weekend is coming. Finally yesterday you actually engaged me in conversation about it but that dropped as soon as i actually asked your opinion on the things on him. I asked you about FF, and i don't think that is much:
Show nested quote +
I follow a very, very simple script when I play mafia. I give my reads and I vote for the person I believe is most likely to flip mafia. I sometimes scumread half the game, but it's really only who I try to kill that matters.

Like, I'm currently saying FF may be mafia based on his contributions today, so you guys know how I feel about that, but I'm not trying to kill him, it's not my strongest read. I am sticking with my strongest read.

The reason i usually end up scumreading you is because i try to engage into a conversation with you about who i think is mafia and who you think is mafia but as soon as i try, you drop off the face of earth. If i am completely honest you're doing it again. I don't think btdt is mafia. I don't know if you think or do not think Rels is mafia. I have absolutely no idea where you actually stand in this game except that you think btdt is mafia. And it is worrying me because i am trying to find a mafia lynch where people can actually fucking agree on. I don't necessarily need you for doing that, but generally trust in your insight so i would rather have you help. And you not doing that is worrying me.

And now i gotta fucking leave to work in 15 minutes.


Yeah but I also don't really wanna do these conversations. It's you, marv, jat, hf etc who do these long stupid ranting conversations.

I have sometimes obliged, but I don't like doing it, I think it's pointless. I read posts, come to a conclusion and make my case. Only if I think you're bringing up an extremely valid point about someone do I care, and to be honest, I almost never understand any of your points.

I know you don't think btdt is mafia, you said as much.

I still want to lynch him, and yes I'll pop in by the deadline to vote Rels if I can't turn the votes. There's a chance he's mafia, there's no chance I am.

I'm also not worrying that people should all agree. In general people are very much often wrong in mafia. The point isn't for everyone to agree, those are usually the worst lynches, see grackaroni this game. I have no idea why I caved and voted him without reading him. I should have been a jerk about it, but I was busy and lazy. The best lynches come out of conflict, because conflict weeds the shit cases out and forces people to take stances. I just wish half of town's stance wasn't "well uh let's lynch palmar now because reasons".

Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
June 27 2017 18:10 GMT
#5737
On June 28 2017 03:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am not going to lynch my townread when the other wagons are my top scumread and someone i have no idea of. So there is that.

This is my scumread

8:::::::::::::D

And this is your townread

8::::D

Size matters.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
June 27 2017 18:10 GMT
#5738
On June 28 2017 03:02 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2017 02:55 Palmar wrote:
On June 28 2017 02:51 ruXxar wrote:
On June 28 2017 02:31 Palmar wrote:
On June 28 2017 02:13 ruXxar wrote:
On June 28 2017 01:59 Palmar wrote:
On June 28 2017 01:54 ruXxar wrote:
On June 28 2017 01:53 Palmar wrote:
Can someone please tell me why I am mafia?

Note: if your argument is that I've been less active and less deeply involved than normal, can you provide an explanation as to why that discrepancy means I am mafia?


How about you tell us why you are town?

1) I haven't played much, but when I have I have done it with the sole intent of making reads or solving the game. I haven't engaged in any arguments or pointless fights or otherwise created content just to create it. Almost all my posts are reflections on reading a filter or commentary on something that interests me.

2) I tryhard when I'm mafia. I always do it because the QT sort of forces me to. I have my teammates there right in front of me and I get far more of a "team boost" than I do as town. In general, my play is extremely similar to a baseline of "act like a normal human being" when I'm mafia. On the other hand, when I'm town I play a myriad of styles, from lurking afk to spamming to playing characters or even having multiple personalities.

3) While some have called my reads shallow, they're all based on reality. I read something, think something about it and run with it.

4) I care more about being right than surviving. I could easily have jumped the Rels wagon, but I just don't think it's the best lynch. I really, really think btdt is 100% going to flip mafia this game. I don't really think Rels will. I will obviously lynch Rels over myself, but it's not what I want. I am truly disappointed people are buying btdt's act. Rayn saying a guy who has been here over a year is a "new player" is just... meh.



1) Engaging with people is what the game is all about.
If you don't do it, we have a hard time discerning people's alignments.
Which is exactly the reason why people want to lynch you.
Not participating in the game makes it harder for town to win, not easier.

2) Meta read

3) You didn't really seem to run with it day when you said that darth foley was possible mafia.
You didn't even expand on what you read that made you think that.

On June 16 2017 16:39 Palmar wrote:
I clicked darthfoley's filter. I don't like it much, and I would expect him to be a relatively easy townread if he was town. I think he is a good candidate for being mafia.


Where is the follow up? Where is the reasoning? Where is the push?

4) If you cared about being right, then why didn't you push your scum read on DF?¨


Because I didn't really think he was super lock scum. It was weak at best. I don't think I even voted him did I?


Then why throw out that read? What was the purpose?

Because it looks an awful lot like you're trying to either:
1) bait people into pushing DF.
2) discredit DF, who is pushing scum!xata.

I don't see any town motivation behind that post, so please explain it to me.


To give people an idea about what I felt about him at the time.

I follow a very, very simple script when I play mafia. I give my reads and I vote for the person I believe is most likely to flip mafia. I sometimes scumread half the game, but it's really only who I try to kill that matters.

Like, I'm currently saying FF may be mafia based on his contributions today, so you guys know how I feel about that, but I'm not trying to kill him, it's not my strongest read. I am sticking with my strongest read.

When I discredit people I do it like I just did with rayn, I attack their premise instead of their alignment. There is no need to call someone scum to discredit him, it's much easier to call them bad. I don't think rayn is mafia, but god do I know he's bad.


There's nothing in here that makes me feel better about you, sorry.

well you bad then.
Computer says mafia
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 27 2017 18:11 GMT
#5739
On June 28 2017 03:10 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2017 03:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am not going to lynch my townread when the other wagons are my top scumread and someone i have no idea of. So there is that.

This is my scumread

8:::::::::::::D

And this is your townread

8::::D

Size matters.


lol
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25555 Posts
June 27 2017 18:12 GMT
#5740
On June 28 2017 03:10 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2017 03:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am not going to lynch my townread when the other wagons are my top scumread and someone i have no idea of. So there is that.

This is my scumread

8:::::::::::::D

And this is your townread

8::::D

Size matters.


heh well you made me laugh.

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