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disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 20 2017 15:08 GMT
#3481
another note in that direction vivi was on sl d1 together with hf.
remind me to see if i can find out why vivi dropped that read.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 20 2017 15:09 GMT
#3482
On June 19 2017 22:42 darthfoley wrote:
I hope tonight's actions provide some clarity to the inactives and shit. I thoroughly expect me and disformation to die, but hopefully the medic can save one of us.

17 people left in the game, probably 12 or 13v4 depending if there's 3p. Scum get 2 kp tonight, and there might be 3p KP. So hopefully medic/jk/whatever can save someone. At least we have 2 checks after tonight without a roleblock

Theres probably 3 or 4 town roles. Hopefully they don't get shot tonight. I would hate to die before revealing all that I know


this last sentence. =D
Eversince
Profile Joined October 2015
Philippines2301 Posts
June 20 2017 15:09 GMT
#3483
On June 21 2017 00:08 disformation wrote:
another note in that direction vivi was on sl d1 together with hf.
remind me to see if i can find out why vivi dropped that read.


It was him sheeping HF/Palmar iirc.
Life's too short to be black and white. Make the world tie-dye!
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
June 20 2017 15:13 GMT
#3484
have I read rayn's filter extensively? no not really. Players like that open themselves up to being late game vetted. I have no reason to look at him right now. Obviously a lot of rayn's alignment depends on yours, gamewise and due to the night kills. There is a veteran presence on the scum team I would expect, especially after that vivax NK. I don't feel like he was universally TR or particularly worrisome, so he either got NK'd out of respect or because he was right.

I have always operated from a mechanical standpoint, I don't do convos
I come in for the scraps
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
June 20 2017 15:15 GMT
#3485
I will say that I thought rayn was town until I read these 2 NK'd filters, does worry me a bit since there arent that many people scumreading him besides you as well
I come in for the scraps
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 20 2017 15:17 GMT
#3486
Ok, so here's my deal with voting for grack and why it's so incredibly important.

Right now there's just a few pieces missing from the puzzle.
Just a few dots to connect the lines.

Getting solid scum reads from grack is going to be the catalyst to solving this puzzle.

He's the crux of this whole scum team, and knowing where he stands is going to make this game 10x easier.

Until he shows up and gives me some solid reads, I'm not even going to reconsider him as the primary lynch.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 20 2017 15:25 GMT
#3487
What bothers me most about him, unlike the other low filter people, is that when he actually shows up in the thread, he post totally irrelevant comments that show no interest in contributing to anything.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 20 2017 15:33 GMT
#3488
I'm going to make a post when I'm home, consolidating all the NKs so far and what they have in common.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 20 2017 15:56 GMT
#3489
On June 21 2017 00:13 VayneAuthority wrote:
have I read rayn's filter extensively? no not really. Players like that open themselves up to being late game vetted. I have no reason to look at him right now. Obviously a lot of rayn's alignment depends on yours, gamewise and due to the night kills. There is a veteran presence on the scum team I would expect, especially after that vivax NK. I don't feel like he was universally TR or particularly worrisome, so he either got NK'd out of respect or because he was right.

I have always operated from a mechanical standpoint, I don't do convos

Alright. What about SL ?
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 20 2017 16:02 GMT
#3490
Lynch grack:
Ruxxar
Beentheredonethat
FecalFeast
VayneAuthority
Chezitwo
Disformation
Skynx
Rayn
Eversince
Sicklucker

No opinion on grack:
Palmar
Blazinghand

Thinks grack is town:
Tumblewood
Rels


People voting for grack(automatic town pile for today):
Ruxxar
Fefe
Chezitwo
Beentheredonethat
VayneAuthority
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 20 2017 16:39 GMT
#3491
Im on p170 and cant continue rn. Ruxxar's case on Grack is actually very decent.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 20 2017 16:41 GMT
#3492
The first point doesnt necessarily mean anything but the second point is really good.
table for two on a tv tray
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 20 2017 16:53 GMT
#3493
NK's so far:

Night 1:

HolyFlare:
Koshi, Sicklucker

Koshi:
Grack, Rels

Night 2:

DarthFoley:
Beentheredonethat

Vivax:
Grack, Eversince

Observations:

1) The strongest towns person was killed each night:
+ Show Spoiler +
- HF night 1.
- DF night 2.

Note: Disformation is not included here since mafia clearly had a plan by red checking him.


2) Both of the secondary kills each night, had grack as a primary scum suspect:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 19 2017 23:53 Vivax wrote:
My legacy if I die is

- lynch grack and ES, grack first if possible.
On June 17 2017 02:08 Koshi wrote:
2)Holyflare
4)Rels
7)Tumblewood
10)beentheredonethat
12)Xatalos
13)AMG
14)marvellosity
15)Grackaroni
22)Eversince

Probably is Grack or Rels. I don't care who it is.


3) Voting pattern:
+ Show Spoiler +
annul (7): sicklucker, ruXxar, Fecalfeast, Xatalos, Rels, Grackaroni, Eversince

These are the people that voted for annul.
I'm convinced there is more than 1 person here that is mafia.

These are the people willing to vote for grack:
annul (7): sicklucker, ruXxar, Fecalfeast, Xatalos, Rels, Grackaroni, Eversince

The next point is important. But first a voting rule:

5. This game follows a simple lynch. If a player has the majority of votes on him dies. If there is a tie The person who reached the tying vote first is lynched.

These are the people that pushed over the top/hammered Annul:
annul (7): sicklucker, ruXxar, Fecalfeast, Xatalos, Rels, Grackaron, Eversince

Rels pushed it from 5-4 in favor of Xatalos to 5-5(Xatalos still lynched due to rule above)
Grack pushed it from 5-5 to 5-6 in favor of Annul(Annul now set to lynch)


Conclusion:
My simple minded brain tells me that there is mafia between grack and rels, with the higher probability of hitting mafia with a grack lynch.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
June 20 2017 17:02 GMT
#3494
lol you have the entire town written down as supportive of lynching me and think that these people are getting night killed for suspecting me.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 20 2017 17:03 GMT
#3495
On June 16 2017 03:11 sicklucker wrote:
##vote annul i agree nice ninja ff you get a cheap townread. I just voted him after reading his filter

Got one boys and im super trendy because no one voted him yet so bonus points

never explains this scumread. despite me asking.
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 16 2017 04:29 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2017 04:27 sicklucker wrote:
Like i started the annul wagon which is obviosly the best wagon right now and will probably win. so lol @ people like skyx saying I did nothing

can you explain your annul scumread plx? prefered like I was a braindead 3 yr old




On June 16 2017 04:54 sicklucker wrote:
meh I dont think xatas filter is that bad. at least his ideas are unconventional to the thread which I kind of expect his town play

gets called out for that:
On June 16 2017 05:18 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2017 04:57 darthfoley wrote:
On June 16 2017 04:54 sicklucker wrote:
meh I dont think xatas filter is that bad. at least his ideas are unconventional to the thread which I kind of expect his town play


wtf??? Whichideas are unconventional? The time he called ruXxar mafia as his only scum read when like 5 people had pushed it?

I really need specific examples about what ideas he's pushed have been "unconventional." Hell, I can't even remember what ideas he's pushed at all.


ryan mostly

On June 16 2017 07:49 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2017 07:47 Holyflare wrote:
On June 16 2017 07:45 Eversince wrote:
This is going to make me look like garbage.

I haven't read anything since pg 35ish. Give me the the rough of what's happen between now and then for Xata, Annul, and SL.

I don't have time to fact check so my vote is entirely blind at this point.


sl came to the thread and town read xatalos because xatalos has different reads to most of the game (when in fact xatalos' reads are blending with the rest of the game

sl says i'm mafia for calling all the town leaders mafia and it's my mafia meta when 100% of other games he states my mafia meta is to push lurkers

sl is trying to force the wagon onto someone who is blatantly self-preserving and revealing his plan for all to see, who stubbornly refuses to change his reads despite everyone yelling at him mafia

sl is mafia


I said that because xata had a mafia read on ryan and everyone else town read him. get over it you lost save your buddy

On June 16 2017 07:54 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2017 07:52 annul wrote:
"Fact is if annul flips town Xatalos is confirmed mafia."

"I also believe Xata and Annul are mafia."

all from koshi in less than 2 minutes


dammit stop being slightly convincing

On June 16 2017 07:58 Holyflare wrote:
just realise that sicklucker just said annul has towny sounding posts just now and has absolutely no real reason to scum read annul but is voting him over xata who he doesn't even realise doesn't scum read rayn

On June 16 2017 07:58 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2017 07:58 Holyflare wrote:
just realise that sicklucker just said annul has towny sounding posts just now and has absolutely no real reason to scum read annul but is voting him over xata who he doesn't even realise doesn't scum read rayn


i said very slightly convincing plz...



so sl is for whatever reason super convinced that annul is scum.
pushes annul super hard.
never explains why.
has an incredible weak and faulty tr on xata.
admits that a annul post looks slightly towny. doesnt reevaluate or anything.


after flip:
On June 16 2017 08:16 sicklucker wrote:
to be fair tho I mostly drove the close lynch. and I know im town so from my perspective I dont think xata necessary has to be mafia. but I completely understand people who think he and I am from what happened I might think the same

after n1:
On June 17 2017 08:09 sicklucker wrote:
im sure we still kill marvs slot over xatalos but it makes sense

disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 20 2017 17:07 GMT
#3496
hf edition:
On June 16 2017 07:47 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2017 07:45 Eversince wrote:
This is going to make me look like garbage.

I haven't read anything since pg 35ish. Give me the the rough of what's happen between now and then for Xata, Annul, and SL.

I don't have time to fact check so my vote is entirely blind at this point.


sl came to the thread and town read xatalos because xatalos has different reads to most of the game (when in fact xatalos' reads are blending with the rest of the game

sl says i'm mafia for calling all the town leaders mafia and it's my mafia meta when 100% of other games he states my mafia meta is to push lurkers

sl is trying to force the wagon onto someone who is blatantly self-preserving and revealing his plan for all to see, who stubbornly refuses to change his reads despite everyone yelling at him mafia

sl is mafia

On June 16 2017 17:36 Holyflare wrote:
And now you're just going to post some nonsense about that only making sense if xata is mafia but it doesn't. Now he's pushing for xata to be flipped because of being a counter wagon. If he flips town then SL has killed 2 birds with 1 stone and looked good for being someone to push a lynch.

If he's mafia then he saved his mafia partner.

Both mafia SL worlds

On June 16 2017 21:58 Holyflare wrote:
I don't give a crap what mafia nonsense you're spouting. You led a wagon on a towny and have absolutely no reason to town read xata. I have MULTIPLE times corrected you that xata doesn't scum read rayn. Which is THE ONLY reason you said you town read Xata despite saying he has opposite readS!! to the thread, you could only quote one and it was wrong.

Then you pushed a wagon on a guy who was not scummy, openly referenced his grand survival plan multiple times and then even you acknowledged he was looking towny.

Then you try and take someone referencing the one troll post you did early game (because let's face it you really did nothing else) as a slight town read because she didn't call you mafia from one post. The thing is she didn't call you town either.

You're worming your way through falsehoods, trying to push events that never happened. Palmar didn't spite vote you from last game, I didn't vote you with no case, vivax wasn't "being bad". All of these are reconstructions of what is actually happening in the game. You even said if palmar was around he'd move his vote but he was around and said he'd keep it there.

Then Eversince comes and has no reason not to vote you. Xatalos' flip will certainly give a shit tonne of information and i hope to god he's town because then her not voting you is the final nail in your coffin.

On June 16 2017 22:02 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2017 08:16 sicklucker wrote:
to be fair tho I mostly drove the close lynch. and I know im town so from my perspective I dont think xata necessary has to be mafia. but I completely understand people who think he and I am from what happened I might think the same


This is posted after the lynch. You don't even think it makes him mafia. A contested lynch means shit all. It's mafias job to make lynches mean nothing. It could be two towns, one mafia one town, anything. You haven't once used any information from it to make the reads nonsense you're posting.

You have me in a lynch list with xatalos who you are now calling mafia despite me trying to also hammer him. You have really really bad reads in this list. You have Eversince who has been pushed by vivax for eternity and myself since the flip, no evaluation.

You take bull shit posts and turn it into bigger bull shit reads and have no game sense. This is not the town SL I know that is solving conspiracy theories. This is an sl who more than likely saw his buddy xatalos up for lynch and fabricated nonsense to save him. When was the last time you tried on a day 1? When was there a time you've ever given a shit enough for a day 1 lynch to matter so much over a really thin town read on xata? Never, that's when.

I will make people see the light. Fiery vengeance will rain down upon you.

ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 20 2017 17:09 GMT
#3497
On June 21 2017 02:02 Grackaroni wrote:
lol you have the entire town written down as supportive of lynching me and think that these people are getting night killed for suspecting me.


Are you jelly of my list?
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 20 2017 17:09 GMT
#3498
so. i think i am going to chill this evening and play a bit of hots and or read some stuff so the game doesnt burn me out.
when im back i want to see some opinions on that stuff.
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 20 2017 17:16 GMT
#3499
On June 21 2017 02:09 disformation wrote:
so. i think i am going to chill this evening and play a bit of hots and or read some stuff so the game doesnt burn me out.
when im back i want to see some opinions on that stuff.


I already made lots of points about SL earlier, so you should know my stance on this.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
June 20 2017 17:20 GMT
#3500
I finished reading through the end of the day.

Disfo looked terrible but he also has a 26 page filter, most of which I'm probably not going to read. He didn't give a good reason for voting Xata and then when HF and Koshi both called out his vote as suspicious he backtracked saying that he could vote Annul too (after saying that he hadn't read Annul.)
Overall, he didn't feel very obs-warriory. He wasn't contributing many of his own ideas during that end of day period.

Conclusion: None

Vayneauthority was completely disconnected from the thread at the end of the day, dropping a role playing post and then calling out Skynx while making no attempt to convince people of his read.

Conclusion: Likely scum

I've got to go I can continue this later.
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