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ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 20 2017 07:50 GMT
#3222
On June 20 2017 16:45 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2017 16:37 disformation wrote:
i really didnt like rels spending his time near eod throwing shade in my direction. like he was knowing i was not gonna get shot. though i as scum would have waited until after the day post.
wish he spend that time looking for scum.
though obv biased.
will reread grack and rels once more later and decide then.
maybe ill just vote rels to have a second wagon.

That never happened. I don't think you're scum.


Good morning ^^.
Have you changed your mind about lynching grack?
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 20 2017 09:17 GMT
#3258
Lynch grack:
Ruxxar
Disformation
Vivax
Darthfoley
FecalFeast
VayneAuthority
Skynx
Rayn
Eversince
Chezitwo
Sicklucker

No opinion on grack:
Palmar
BTDT
Blazinghand

Thinks grack is town:
Tumblewood
Rels


People voting for grack(automatic town pile for today):
Ruxxar
Fefe


Come get your town reads! I ain't cheap, all you have to do is vote for grack.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 20 2017 12:07 GMT
#3369
Lynch grack:
Ruxxar
Disformation
Vivax
Darthfoley
FecalFeast
VayneAuthority
Skynx
Rayn
Eversince
Chezitwo
Sicklucker

No opinion on grack:
Palmar
Beentheredonethat
Blazinghand

Thinks grack is town:
Tumblewood
Rels


People voting for grack(automatic town pile for today):
Ruxxar
Fefe
Chezitwo
Beentheredonethat


The grack case posted from earlier

+ Show Spoiler +

On June 18 2017 21:39 Vivax wrote:
Since you seem bored.

Can you explain why you think Grack is mafia?


Sure!

Let's start with the obvious:

1) He hammers the town lynch.

On June 16 2017 07:47 Grackaroni wrote:
##Vote: Annul


At the point of this vote, the votes are 5 on annul, 5 on xatalos.
Grackaroni pushes it over the edge with this vote to 6-5 in favor of annul.

2) He doesn't try to solve the game.

How many scum reads did he have the whole game? Let's see:

DF:

On June 15 2017 04:10 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2017 03:57 darthfoley wrote:
On June 15 2017 03:57 Grackaroni wrote:
On June 15 2017 03:49 disformation wrote:
@xata: ruxxar gave his reason to vote koshi later on.
On June 15 2017 02:32 ruXxar wrote:
On June 15 2017 02:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
On June 15 2017 02:05 ruXxar wrote:
I have read Koshis filter and determined he is mafia.

##vote koshi


Care to elaborate?

Oh also ##vote ruxxar


Sure.

This post:

On June 14 2017 20:22 Koshi wrote:
On June 14 2017 19:49 Holyflare wrote:
Wow i got him boys.

Rayn comes in with the defence. Totes mafia too.

btw if you type things like this, one might think you are just throwing suspicion around and not solving the game.
You can't call me 3p, and then call rayn mafia with me. I guess you can. But it doesn't make sense.
And I am pretty sure my play will not match mafia meta.


I don't like this statement. Comparing his own play to what an expected "mafia meta" is as a defense and validation of his own play seems like he's way too concious of how he's trying to project himself.

Add that on top of all his waffling reads between scum/town, and non-commital it makes it seem to me like he's trying to thread a golden middleground.

but as fefe pointed out:
On June 15 2017 02:40 Fecalfeast wrote:
On June 15 2017 02:32 ruXxar wrote:
On June 15 2017 02:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
On June 15 2017 02:05 ruXxar wrote:
I have read Koshis filter and determined he is mafia.

##vote koshi


Care to elaborate?

Oh also ##vote ruxxar


Sure.

This post:

On June 14 2017 20:22 Koshi wrote:
On June 14 2017 19:49 Holyflare wrote:
Wow i got him boys.

Rayn comes in with the defence. Totes mafia too.

btw if you type things like this, one might think you are just throwing suspicion around and not solving the game.
You can't call me 3p, and then call rayn mafia with me. I guess you can. But it doesn't make sense.
And I am pretty sure my play will not match mafia meta.


I don't like this statement. Comparing his own play to what an expected "mafia meta" is as a defense and validation of his own play seems like he's way too concious of how he's trying to project himself.

Add that on top of all his waffling reads between scum/town, and non-commital it makes it seem to me like he's trying to thread a golden middleground.

I actually like this explanation. Sorta wish you said this instead of just 'read Koshi's filter decided he's mafia' as now I'm suspicious you went back to read his filter after my post to find a post that is suspect.


For the second part:

People generally think this is scummy and it's not. It just generates suspicion because people don't like to see unjustified reads.

Mafia won't ever just carelessly throw out a scum read without giving any thought about how they are going to defend it unless they are under some kind of heavy pressure to produce a read.

Also I liked Ruxxar's reasoning for his Koshi vote.


who do you think is scum?

I'm kinda looking at you tbh.


On June 15 2017 04:38 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2017 04:27 darthfoley wrote:
On June 15 2017 04:10 Grackaroni wrote:
On June 15 2017 03:57 darthfoley wrote:
On June 15 2017 03:57 Grackaroni wrote:
On June 15 2017 03:49 disformation wrote:
@xata: ruxxar gave his reason to vote koshi later on.
On June 15 2017 02:32 ruXxar wrote:
On June 15 2017 02:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
On June 15 2017 02:05 ruXxar wrote:
I have read Koshis filter and determined he is mafia.

##vote koshi


Care to elaborate?

Oh also ##vote ruxxar


Sure.

This post:

On June 14 2017 20:22 Koshi wrote:
On June 14 2017 19:49 Holyflare wrote:
Wow i got him boys.

Rayn comes in with the defence. Totes mafia too.

btw if you type things like this, one might think you are just throwing suspicion around and not solving the game.
You can't call me 3p, and then call rayn mafia with me. I guess you can. But it doesn't make sense.
And I am pretty sure my play will not match mafia meta.


I don't like this statement. Comparing his own play to what an expected "mafia meta" is as a defense and validation of his own play seems like he's way too concious of how he's trying to project himself.

Add that on top of all his waffling reads between scum/town, and non-commital it makes it seem to me like he's trying to thread a golden middleground.

but as fefe pointed out:
On June 15 2017 02:40 Fecalfeast wrote:
On June 15 2017 02:32 ruXxar wrote:
On June 15 2017 02:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
On June 15 2017 02:05 ruXxar wrote:
I have read Koshis filter and determined he is mafia.

##vote koshi


Care to elaborate?

Oh also ##vote ruxxar


Sure.

This post:

On June 14 2017 20:22 Koshi wrote:
On June 14 2017 19:49 Holyflare wrote:
Wow i got him boys.

Rayn comes in with the defence. Totes mafia too.

btw if you type things like this, one might think you are just throwing suspicion around and not solving the game.
You can't call me 3p, and then call rayn mafia with me. I guess you can. But it doesn't make sense.
And I am pretty sure my play will not match mafia meta.


I don't like this statement. Comparing his own play to what an expected "mafia meta" is as a defense and validation of his own play seems like he's way too concious of how he's trying to project himself.

Add that on top of all his waffling reads between scum/town, and non-commital it makes it seem to me like he's trying to thread a golden middleground.

I actually like this explanation. Sorta wish you said this instead of just 'read Koshi's filter decided he's mafia' as now I'm suspicious you went back to read his filter after my post to find a post that is suspect.


For the second part:

People generally think this is scummy and it's not. It just generates suspicion because people don't like to see unjustified reads.

Mafia won't ever just carelessly throw out a scum read without giving any thought about how they are going to defend it unless they are under some kind of heavy pressure to produce a read.

Also I liked Ruxxar's reasoning for his Koshi vote.


who do you think is scum?

I'm kinda looking at you tbh.


Look at me as much as you like, but why?

I'm mostly just looking for someone kinda in the middle blending in.


Disfo:

On June 15 2017 07:36 Grackaroni wrote:
I like Rayn too though. And I'm ok with a Disfo lynch.


HF:

On June 16 2017 07:32 Grackaroni wrote:
Holy flare seems like a very good vote. He's being ridiculously over the top trying to push this SL lynch.

I haven't liked either of his Vivax/Koshi pushes. And he dragged the Vivax one out for the hell of it.


On June 16 2017 07:10 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2017 06:58 annul wrote:
not at all. i am 1 switch away from majority. with the tiebreaker being what it is, i have no choice.

i WANT to vote for koshi/ruxxar since they are both mafia and either is a fine kill. but alas.

Annul seems like an ok lynch to me. I dislike that he doesn't waver at all in his Koshi read after 10 pages of filter.

It would be worthwhile to check if he tends to be very confident in his reads as town, because his are still based on things from the early game.

I'm on my phone on a train, and the internet is not great.


Palmar:

On June 19 2017 03:36 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2017 03:36 Palmar wrote:
Ill figure out why we're all so happy together tomorrow

Where've you been PALMAR?

Scummy scum scum.



"I'm ok with". "Seems like". There's 0 commitment to anything here. Just superficial non-sense without any substance.
So obviously he followed up and actually tried to push his scum reads? Nope.
Well, at least he voted for his scum reads? Nope.

It's like a total non-commitment to any of his "reads" and just screams "I'm just trying to blend in".
And thats the total effort he's put into scumhunting the whole game.

"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 20 2017 12:25 GMT
#3389
On June 20 2017 21:23 disformation wrote:
@ruxxar:
who do you think should be the second wagon to grack? any preferences?


Rels is next on my lynch list, so that is my preferred second wagon.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 20 2017 12:29 GMT
#3392
On June 20 2017 21:26 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2017 21:25 ruXxar wrote:
On June 20 2017 21:23 disformation wrote:
@ruxxar:
who do you think should be the second wagon to grack? any preferences?


Rels is next on my lynch list, so that is my preferred second wagon.

lol


If you want to save yourself, vote for grack.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 20 2017 13:48 GMT
#3428
On June 20 2017 22:38 disformation wrote:
tbh.
my gut likes palmar/sl/skynx +1 more on annul


What happened to grack? Is he town now?
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 20 2017 13:51 GMT
#3434
On June 20 2017 22:50 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2017 22:48 ruXxar wrote:
On June 20 2017 22:38 disformation wrote:
tbh.
my gut likes palmar/sl/skynx +1 more on annul


What happened to grack? Is he town now?

+1 more on annul?


You sure went from confident in grack/rels to +1 on annul.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 20 2017 13:54 GMT
#3437
On June 20 2017 22:53 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2017 22:51 ruXxar wrote:
On June 20 2017 22:50 disformation wrote:
On June 20 2017 22:48 ruXxar wrote:
On June 20 2017 22:38 disformation wrote:
tbh.
my gut likes palmar/sl/skynx +1 more on annul


What happened to grack? Is he town now?

+1 more on annul?


You sure went from confident in grack/rels to +1 on annul.

yes. my reads change as i go back to review the contents of the game and interact with other players.
shocking i know.
yes i am way less confident in rels being scum.
might be grack might be es.
think lynching grack first is fine.


You think there was only 2 mafia on the annul vote?
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 20 2017 13:55 GMT
#3439
When mafia roleblocker is on the line?
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 20 2017 13:58 GMT
#3446
On June 20 2017 22:57 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2017 22:54 ruXxar wrote:
On June 20 2017 22:53 disformation wrote:
On June 20 2017 22:51 ruXxar wrote:
On June 20 2017 22:50 disformation wrote:
On June 20 2017 22:48 ruXxar wrote:
On June 20 2017 22:38 disformation wrote:
tbh.
my gut likes palmar/sl/skynx +1 more on annul


What happened to grack? Is he town now?

+1 more on annul?


You sure went from confident in grack/rels to +1 on annul.

yes. my reads change as i go back to review the contents of the game and interact with other players.
shocking i know.
yes i am way less confident in rels being scum.
might be grack might be es.
think lynching grack first is fine.


You think there was only 2 mafia on the annul vote?

mh. dunno. possible that a lot of scum were afk.
sl, xata himself + 1 of grack/es makes 3.
with the decent amount of afk/off wagon not impossible.

we will see i guess.
also would be bad to just ignore anyone not on annul.
i also really really dont want to have another afk day with everyone just on grack. so i am looking at other ppl.


I can understand the afk point, carry on then.
I just feel like you're waffling all over the place right now, and it's not giving me good vibes.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 20 2017 14:03 GMT
#3456
On June 20 2017 22:59 Rels wrote:
ruxxar what are you trying to accomplish there ? I don't understand how that would make you solve the game.
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2017 22:51 ruXxar wrote:
On June 20 2017 22:50 disformation wrote:
On June 20 2017 22:48 ruXxar wrote:
On June 20 2017 22:38 disformation wrote:
tbh.
my gut likes palmar/sl/skynx +1 more on annul


What happened to grack? Is he town now?

+1 more on annul?


You sure went from confident in grack/rels to +1 on annul.

Are you trying to scumread disfo ? Or are you trying to see his thought process ? If it's the latter, why are you asking when it's quite clear from the last few pages ?
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2017 22:54 ruXxar wrote:
On June 20 2017 22:53 disformation wrote:
On June 20 2017 22:51 ruXxar wrote:
On June 20 2017 22:50 disformation wrote:
On June 20 2017 22:48 ruXxar wrote:
On June 20 2017 22:38 disformation wrote:
tbh.
my gut likes palmar/sl/skynx +1 more on annul


What happened to grack? Is he town now?

+1 more on annul?


You sure went from confident in grack/rels to +1 on annul.

yes. my reads change as i go back to review the contents of the game and interact with other players.
shocking i know.
yes i am way less confident in rels being scum.
might be grack might be es.
think lynching grack first is fine.


You think there was only 2 mafia on the annul vote?

You think it's obvious than 3+ scum were on the 7 people annul wagon ? When it's terrifying to take stances like that as scum ?
Not taking anything else into account, maybe there are 3 or 4 scums in the 7 people coutner wagon to a scum. But it's not likely. Scum will usually spread their votes, and it's fucking scary to vote on something you KNOW is wrong and is gonna be revealed, since it's the D1 vote. So I don't understand how you can have the mindset than it's super likely than 3 or 4 scums were on annul.


I'm saying that suddenly he's not so certain that grack is a good lynch.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 20 2017 14:10 GMT
#3465
On June 20 2017 23:06 disformation wrote:
nah grack is a good lynch, but i dont want to sit on my hands all day and wait on whether he shows up and posts something good or not.
there are more than one scummer left after all.


What made you change your mind about rels? Why is he now town?
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 20 2017 15:17 GMT
#3486
Ok, so here's my deal with voting for grack and why it's so incredibly important.

Right now there's just a few pieces missing from the puzzle.
Just a few dots to connect the lines.

Getting solid scum reads from grack is going to be the catalyst to solving this puzzle.

He's the crux of this whole scum team, and knowing where he stands is going to make this game 10x easier.

Until he shows up and gives me some solid reads, I'm not even going to reconsider him as the primary lynch.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 20 2017 15:25 GMT
#3487
What bothers me most about him, unlike the other low filter people, is that when he actually shows up in the thread, he post totally irrelevant comments that show no interest in contributing to anything.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 20 2017 15:33 GMT
#3488
I'm going to make a post when I'm home, consolidating all the NKs so far and what they have in common.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 20 2017 16:02 GMT
#3490
Lynch grack:
Ruxxar
Beentheredonethat
FecalFeast
VayneAuthority
Chezitwo
Disformation
Skynx
Rayn
Eversince
Sicklucker

No opinion on grack:
Palmar
Blazinghand

Thinks grack is town:
Tumblewood
Rels


People voting for grack(automatic town pile for today):
Ruxxar
Fefe
Chezitwo
Beentheredonethat
VayneAuthority
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 20 2017 16:53 GMT
#3493
NK's so far:

Night 1:

HolyFlare:
Koshi, Sicklucker

Koshi:
Grack, Rels

Night 2:

DarthFoley:
Beentheredonethat

Vivax:
Grack, Eversince

Observations:

1) The strongest towns person was killed each night:
+ Show Spoiler +
- HF night 1.
- DF night 2.

Note: Disformation is not included here since mafia clearly had a plan by red checking him.


2) Both of the secondary kills each night, had grack as a primary scum suspect:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 19 2017 23:53 Vivax wrote:
My legacy if I die is

- lynch grack and ES, grack first if possible.
On June 17 2017 02:08 Koshi wrote:
2)Holyflare
4)Rels
7)Tumblewood
10)beentheredonethat
12)Xatalos
13)AMG
14)marvellosity
15)Grackaroni
22)Eversince

Probably is Grack or Rels. I don't care who it is.


3) Voting pattern:
+ Show Spoiler +
annul (7): sicklucker, ruXxar, Fecalfeast, Xatalos, Rels, Grackaroni, Eversince

These are the people that voted for annul.
I'm convinced there is more than 1 person here that is mafia.

These are the people willing to vote for grack:
annul (7): sicklucker, ruXxar, Fecalfeast, Xatalos, Rels, Grackaroni, Eversince

The next point is important. But first a voting rule:

5. This game follows a simple lynch. If a player has the majority of votes on him dies. If there is a tie The person who reached the tying vote first is lynched.

These are the people that pushed over the top/hammered Annul:
annul (7): sicklucker, ruXxar, Fecalfeast, Xatalos, Rels, Grackaron, Eversince

Rels pushed it from 5-4 in favor of Xatalos to 5-5(Xatalos still lynched due to rule above)
Grack pushed it from 5-5 to 5-6 in favor of Annul(Annul now set to lynch)


Conclusion:
My simple minded brain tells me that there is mafia between grack and rels, with the higher probability of hitting mafia with a grack lynch.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 20 2017 17:09 GMT
#3497
On June 21 2017 02:02 Grackaroni wrote:
lol you have the entire town written down as supportive of lynching me and think that these people are getting night killed for suspecting me.


Are you jelly of my list?
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 20 2017 17:16 GMT
#3499
On June 21 2017 02:09 disformation wrote:
so. i think i am going to chill this evening and play a bit of hots and or read some stuff so the game doesnt burn me out.
when im back i want to see some opinions on that stuff.


I already made lots of points about SL earlier, so you should know my stance on this.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 20 2017 17:26 GMT
#3504
On June 21 2017 02:20 Grackaroni wrote:
I finished reading through the end of the day.

Disfo looked terrible but he also has a 26 page filter, most of which I'm probably not going to read. He didn't give a good reason for voting Xata and then when HF and Koshi both called out his vote as suspicious he backtracked saying that he could vote Annul too (after saying that he hadn't read Annul.)
Overall, he didn't feel very obs-warriory. He wasn't contributing many of his own ideas during that end of day period.

Conclusion: None

Vayneauthority was completely disconnected from the thread at the end of the day, dropping a role playing post and then calling out Skynx while making no attempt to convince people of his read.

Conclusion: Likely scum

I've got to go I can continue this later.


What do you think about rels?
Town or scum?
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
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