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disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 17 2017 22:35 GMT
#2445
i am not discrediting you.
i am telling you to use your head and look at xata and decide if you believe him to be cop.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 17 2017 22:36 GMT
#2448
like what the hell in that post is discrediting?
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 17 2017 22:37 GMT
#2450
On June 18 2017 07:37 beentheredonethat wrote:
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On June 18 2017 07:35 disformation wrote:
i am not discrediting you.
i am telling you to use your head and look at xata and decide if you believe him to be cop.

I don't believe for a second that he's cop

but I'm not lynching a claim over a red check. There's always the possibility that it's just bad town.

read his filter ignoring the check.
do you think he is town or scum?
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 17 2017 22:38 GMT
#2451
and read my filter ignoring the red check.
do you think i am town or scum.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 17 2017 22:39 GMT
#2454
if you think i am scum and he town. fine.
if you really think that.

if you dont believe his cop claim and dont think i am scum or he is town (or both) you are either mafia siding or mafia
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 17 2017 22:40 GMT
#2458
i dont even...
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 17 2017 22:43 GMT
#2462
i also dont understand why you like eversince post and still dont vote xata. but whatever.

i also liked eversince post.
and i have nooo idea what ruxxar is doing with his votes atm.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 17 2017 22:44 GMT
#2466
because it is a super hilariously obvious scum fake claiming to live another day.
what if he is a scum PR?
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 17 2017 22:46 GMT
#2469
On June 18 2017 07:44 Chezitwo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2017 07:43 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:40 Eversince wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:37 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:35 disformation wrote:
i am not discrediting you.
i am telling you to use your head and look at xata and decide if you believe him to be cop.

I don't believe for a second that he's cop

but I'm not lynching a claim over a red check. There's always the possibility that it's just bad town.


If you don't believe the claim how can you believe the red check? That's entirely like "I know your lying. But I believe you"

No. It's like "I think you're lying, but as long as there's a chance you're not, I'm not lynching you over the red-check you claimed".

Then fakeclaiming scum can never lose against you. I will make sure to remember this should I ever roll mafia against you.

this.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 17 2017 22:46 GMT
#2472
On June 18 2017 07:45 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2017 07:44 Chezitwo wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:43 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:40 Eversince wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:37 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:35 disformation wrote:
i am not discrediting you.
i am telling you to use your head and look at xata and decide if you believe him to be cop.

I don't believe for a second that he's cop

but I'm not lynching a claim over a red check. There's always the possibility that it's just bad town.


If you don't believe the claim how can you believe the red check? That's entirely like "I know your lying. But I believe you"

No. It's like "I think you're lying, but as long as there's a chance you're not, I'm not lynching you over the red-check you claimed".

Then fakeclaiming scum can never lose against you. I will make sure to remember this should I ever roll mafia against you.

I'm pretty sure that oversimplifying my words will make you right.

situation: xata no pressure claims red check
OHHHH EVERY LYNCH XATA

ah who am I to care about this.

no pressure?
he was like 100% the lynch today?
at least 3 ppl wanted a vig to shoot him n1
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 17 2017 22:47 GMT
#2473
or other way around:
if he was cop with no pressure.
why the fuck would he vote that early in the day?
it kills all discussion
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 17 2017 22:47 GMT
#2474
vote = claim
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 17 2017 22:49 GMT
#2480
go ahead lynch me.
but promise to send me a picture of your face when i flip green.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 17 2017 22:50 GMT
#2484
what?
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 17 2017 22:52 GMT
#2488
like i wouldnt even be mad if you had a legit reason to believe the claim and thought i was scummy or something
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 17 2017 23:09 GMT
#2520
On June 18 2017 08:05 darthfoley wrote:
I just can't believe cop!Xata doesn't claim anytime yesterday. He didn't even put up a fight in the showdown. Someone please tell me of a cop who 1) didn't claim in a heated 1v1 AND 2) didn't fight like hell to survive the 1v1.

If Xatalos had done #2 without #1, I could see his play. But doing neither and then claiming cop with a red check on disformation right after a few of us say disformation is spewed town by mafia!Xatalos is pretty rich

to be fair in that one game he was talking about the d1 vc ended in:
On August 24 2014 10:05 Sylencia wrote:
Night 1 ~ The mastermind


After a long eventful day, with accusations being thrown back and forth - the players finally reached a consensus. "Being AFK is a crime worthy of death. Pay with your life!"

IAmRobik has been lynched. He was a + Show Spoiler +
Mafia Godfather


Day 1 Final vote count:

raynpelikoneet (1): IAmRobik, Hapahauli, Xatalos, GlowingBear, Onegu
GlowingBear (0): raynpelikoneet
turtlevine (0): GlowingBear
yamato77 (1): Xatalos, Hapahauli, WaveOfShadow, Hapahauli, Xatalos, justanothertownie
Damdred (1): Xatalos, raynpelikoneet, VayneAuthority
Xatalos (3): turtlevine, raynpelikoneet, KelsierSC, turtlevine, Damdred, yamato77, GlowingBear
Hapahauli (1): raynpelikoneet, GlowingBear, turtlevine
WaveOfShadow (0): raynpelikoneet, yamato77
Onegu (1): IAmRobik
IAmRobik (5): yamato77, GlowingBear, Hapahauli, Xatalos, justanothertownie, GlowingBear



his filter looks quite different to this though: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/465098-guilty-mini-mafia?user=Xatalos

guess to say he was fighting would be a way to call it.
game is also 3 years old.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 17 2017 23:11 GMT
#2522
also eversince posts about how bad xatas claim are are very on point.
i am obviously invested here, but at least look at those posts.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 18 2017 08:24 GMT
#2556
On June 18 2017 16:22 Blazinghand wrote:
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On June 18 2017 07:29 Eversince wrote:
On June 17 2017 19:28 Xatalos wrote:
Eh. I haven't been able to really keep up with the game so well up to this point, so I'll just say it: I'm the Cop and I decided to check disfo last night. He returned Mafia.

I was so close to claiming Cop several times last EOD, but managed to barely hold it in, because I wanted to use my power at least once. Luckily it paid off big time.

Obviously believes that the risk of being mis-lynched/shot N1 was worth it for the complete 'chance' to hit the lottery with Disfo mafia result. Ok, let's see what he does with it.

--
On June 17 2017 19:30 Xatalos wrote:
One Miller already flipped so I suppose there could be another. Still, the odds are heavily in the favor of disfo being scum.

The next post, "possibilty if Disfo's not scum though"?

On June 17 2017 19:42 Xatalos wrote:
On June 17 2017 19:35 ruXxar wrote:
On June 17 2017 19:33 Xatalos wrote:
On June 17 2017 19:31 Chezitwo wrote:
Sadly it could be more believable if you weren't the designated lynch, Mr. Xatalos.


Well, I'm already dead by N2 regardless. I'm content even if disfo gets lynched tomorrow - of course today would be preferable so scum would use a kill on me instead.


Heres the thing.

Lynching you and having you flip as either alignment is going to give us more information than disfo flipping as scum.



Does it really? If disfo flips scum (very likely), then I die N2, it seems like the optimal situation info-wise. Even if I'm lying, it'd be apparent soon enough so makes no difference for vote information. In any case it's not too bad even if I do get lynched now I guess.]/red]

"If Disfo flips scum" Again with this trying to distance from the fact that Disfo might actually not be scum. Second bit is even more damning. If you are a un-cced cop why the hell would you use previous arguement "i didn't want scum to shoot me N1" if you are just going to make let the town waste the mis-lynch on you (Who you should be screaming yourself confirmed town) STILL? "Oh, I didn't want mafia to shoot me, but if town mis-lynches me as long as they still lynch my check tomorrow it's ok." Like wtf? Instead we get 1 dead cop at lynch. Then we get two dead townies in N2. Instead of one dead scum at lynch.

On June 17 2017 19:54 Xatalos wrote:
On June 17 2017 19:51 disformation wrote:
mh actually i dont think a framer would frame me.
or a cop would check me over like tw or one of the inactives.


Yea I'd think the only realistic option would be that you're a second unaware Miller if you're town. Usually there's 2 of them from what I've seen. The odds are low though, like 10% or less. So I'm content our best bet is to just lynch you.

More like 1:19 odds. So less than 5%. "I'm CONTENT"?? Why the hell are you not yelling from the mountain tops that this dude is scum yet? Why do you ignore the fact that you claim a vig would be better off shooting into the in-actives to hopefully hit mafia blind. But you just "had a hunch because Disfo voted you" so you didn't check one of the '?' marks yourself with your check. Harder to call in-actives mafia than someone half the thread has at somepoint thought about the possibilty of him being scum? Nah, let's ignore that though. You didn't mind if you died first? Would that have been the same if you missed mafia here? You would still be #1 lynch today.

Followed with this:
On June 17 2017 19:56 Xatalos wrote:
On June 17 2017 19:53 disformation wrote:
On June 17 2017 19:51 Xatalos wrote:
On June 17 2017 19:42 Chezitwo wrote:
On June 17 2017 19:40 Xatalos wrote:
On June 17 2017 19:35 disformation wrote:
got any crumbs?
why claim so early in the game and not try to case me to get more info/reactions before claiming midday?

technically i suppose it is not impossible for there to be a framer or some stuff


I suppose you could theoretically be another unaware Miller, or there could even be a Framer role. The odds aren't good at all though in either case.

I didn't make any posts on the purpose of claiming my check (or role), since there are always risks. I think my play has been very similar to how I played as Cop last time though (including the EOD D1 events) - can't remember the name now but I can dig it up. Didn't really crumb there either, but my checks were successes either way.

Weren't people calling for a vigshot on you? I did not read very closely yesterday but I seem to remember it this way. Seems more than just risky.


I suppose it wasn't impossible I might have been shot. It wasn't for sure there even was a Vig though, and no way in hell would scum shoot me, and the optimal Vig shot would have been more in the direction of the AFK lurkers than just killing for info, so I wasn't too worried. If I had claimed / crumbed noticeably in the night, the odds of being shot/roleblocked would have increased instead.

nonoonno you always shoot the close counterwagon to scum.
you cop check the inactives. hard to read. low volumes.


Not really. The lurky players are just a detriment at LYLO anyway, so it's better to kill them off immediately. Whereas somewhat active, but not widely townread players are likely to live until LYLO but it's often hard to tell their alignment so checking is optimal.


So you know there is a possibilty of you dying N1, You are 100% dead N2. Better check the active guy we could figure out by lylo instead of the players you just said would need checking. Yep, that makes perfect sense.

On June 17 2017 19:59 Xatalos wrote:
But other than that, it's quite unlikely we're both town I agree.

Disfo still not actually mafia in this guys head.

On June 17 2017 20:02 Xatalos wrote:
On June 17 2017 19:55 Chezitwo wrote:
On June 17 2017 19:51 Xatalos wrote:
On June 17 2017 19:42 Chezitwo wrote:
On June 17 2017 19:40 Xatalos wrote:
On June 17 2017 19:35 disformation wrote:
got any crumbs?
why claim so early in the game and not try to case me to get more info/reactions before claiming midday?

technically i suppose it is not impossible for there to be a framer or some stuff


I suppose you could theoretically be another unaware Miller, or there could even be a Framer role. The odds aren't good at all though in either case.

I didn't make any posts on the purpose of claiming my check (or role), since there are always risks. I think my play has been very similar to how I played as Cop last time though (including the EOD D1 events) - can't remember the name now but I can dig it up. Didn't really crumb there either, but my checks were successes either way.

Weren't people calling for a vigshot on you? I did not read very closely yesterday but I seem to remember it this way. Seems more than just risky.


I suppose it wasn't impossible I might have been shot. It wasn't for sure there even was a Vig though, and no way in hell would scum shoot me, and the optimal Vig shot would have been more in the direction of the AFK lurkers than just killing for info, so I wasn't too worried. If I had claimed / crumbed noticeably in the night, the odds of being shot/roleblocked would have increased instead.

So, are you going to solve the game today?

Because you put us in a very inconvenient position. Your claim is very suspicious.


Worst comes to worst, disfo is just a free lynch D3. I don't terribly mind that outcome since I'm dying soon no matter what.

Considering that, I think I'll have some time today to read the game so I can try to leave a legacy.


Again we get a dead cop, mafia get to shoot whoever instead of us getting to aim there shot. But no that's better than lynching mafia today forcing some of their kp onto you tonight. Screw it if there is a doctor somewhere you might actually even live! But "it's ok, town totally lynch me first" is the scummiest thing I've read in a while.

On June 17 2017 20:29 Xatalos wrote:
On June 17 2017 20:23 ruXxar wrote:
Meh, I think I'm going to pack it up and and get me some fresh air.
I think todays lynch is pretty much set in stone.

It's up to the mafia to try and turn the tides.


It is actually surprisingly fine with me. I'm so dead regardless that a small boost to victory odds by tonnes of effort doesn't seem hugely appealing. If that's what we decide, then so be it.

That being said, I'm in the unique position of knowing that disfo is already scum, so I'll most likely look at things and try to solve the scumteam from that perspective later tonight when I have more time again.



This guy doesn't even believe his own claim. Disfo's not mafia, and this crap claim is just trying to de-rail the arguement and push one more mis-lynch before he dies This is much is plainly obvious.

##vote: Xatalos


if eversince is a newbie, like in his first 5 games or so, this makes him town. if he has been around a while this post makes him scum

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On June 18 2017 07:30 darthfoley wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:25 beentheredonethat wrote:
##vote Chezitwo

yep.


So now you're voting outside of the cop/red check that you just told us to lynch


logic is long gone my fine feathered friend

could you explain that es read?
though database says:
+ Show Spoiler [Eversince] +
[S] Student Mafia XV Town Vanilla Survived Night 1
[S] Student Mafia XVI[red] Mafia Godfather Lynched Day 4
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 18 2017 08:25 GMT
#2557
and i think ruxxar is trolling/Baiting reactions hard
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 18 2017 08:31 GMT
#2558
and yeah df is town³
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