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disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 17 2017 11:21 GMT
#2261
On June 17 2017 20:13 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2017 20:10 ruXxar wrote:
On June 17 2017 20:02 Xatalos wrote:
On June 17 2017 19:55 Chezitwo wrote:
On June 17 2017 19:51 Xatalos wrote:
On June 17 2017 19:42 Chezitwo wrote:
On June 17 2017 19:40 Xatalos wrote:
On June 17 2017 19:35 disformation wrote:
got any crumbs?
why claim so early in the game and not try to case me to get more info/reactions before claiming midday?

technically i suppose it is not impossible for there to be a framer or some stuff


I suppose you could theoretically be another unaware Miller, or there could even be a Framer role. The odds aren't good at all though in either case.

I didn't make any posts on the purpose of claiming my check (or role), since there are always risks. I think my play has been very similar to how I played as Cop last time though (including the EOD D1 events) - can't remember the name now but I can dig it up. Didn't really crumb there either, but my checks were successes either way.

Weren't people calling for a vigshot on you? I did not read very closely yesterday but I seem to remember it this way. Seems more than just risky.


I suppose it wasn't impossible I might have been shot. It wasn't for sure there even was a Vig though, and no way in hell would scum shoot me, and the optimal Vig shot would have been more in the direction of the AFK lurkers than just killing for info, so I wasn't too worried. If I had claimed / crumbed noticeably in the night, the odds of being shot/roleblocked would have increased instead.

So, are you going to solve the game today?

Because you put us in a very inconvenient position. Your claim is very suspicious.


Worst comes to worst, disfo is just a free lynch D3. I don't terribly mind that outcome since I'm dying soon no matter what.

Considering that, I think I'll have some time today to read the game so I can try to leave a legacy.


I'm thinking that if you had a red check, you wouldn't give up this easily and be so calm about it.
You should be kicking and screaming all the way to the gallows.

Like, a cop is a HUGE asset to town. You were so close to getting lynched yesterday, yet you made no effort to even change the tide of the votes, know that you could play a critical role in winning this for us.

My feeling is that if you were a cop, you would have put in way more effort yesterday to get out of a near lynch situation.


I think I played exactly similarly last time I was Cop and the main wagon at D1 end. I thought of claiming there several times too, but hid my cards as much as I possibly could, betting on the chance of an approaching reversal.

you fail to mention that the guy who was lynched over you happend to be the gf.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 17 2017 11:21 GMT
#2262
i assume you are talking about: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/465098-guilty-mini-mafia
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 17 2017 11:26 GMT
#2266
On June 17 2017 20:24 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2017 20:21 disformation wrote:
On June 17 2017 20:13 Xatalos wrote:
On June 17 2017 20:10 ruXxar wrote:
On June 17 2017 20:02 Xatalos wrote:
On June 17 2017 19:55 Chezitwo wrote:
On June 17 2017 19:51 Xatalos wrote:
On June 17 2017 19:42 Chezitwo wrote:
On June 17 2017 19:40 Xatalos wrote:
On June 17 2017 19:35 disformation wrote:
got any crumbs?
why claim so early in the game and not try to case me to get more info/reactions before claiming midday?

technically i suppose it is not impossible for there to be a framer or some stuff


I suppose you could theoretically be another unaware Miller, or there could even be a Framer role. The odds aren't good at all though in either case.

I didn't make any posts on the purpose of claiming my check (or role), since there are always risks. I think my play has been very similar to how I played as Cop last time though (including the EOD D1 events) - can't remember the name now but I can dig it up. Didn't really crumb there either, but my checks were successes either way.

Weren't people calling for a vigshot on you? I did not read very closely yesterday but I seem to remember it this way. Seems more than just risky.


I suppose it wasn't impossible I might have been shot. It wasn't for sure there even was a Vig though, and no way in hell would scum shoot me, and the optimal Vig shot would have been more in the direction of the AFK lurkers than just killing for info, so I wasn't too worried. If I had claimed / crumbed noticeably in the night, the odds of being shot/roleblocked would have increased instead.

So, are you going to solve the game today?

Because you put us in a very inconvenient position. Your claim is very suspicious.


Worst comes to worst, disfo is just a free lynch D3. I don't terribly mind that outcome since I'm dying soon no matter what.

Considering that, I think I'll have some time today to read the game so I can try to leave a legacy.


I'm thinking that if you had a red check, you wouldn't give up this easily and be so calm about it.
You should be kicking and screaming all the way to the gallows.

Like, a cop is a HUGE asset to town. You were so close to getting lynched yesterday, yet you made no effort to even change the tide of the votes, know that you could play a critical role in winning this for us.

My feeling is that if you were a cop, you would have put in way more effort yesterday to get out of a near lynch situation.


I think I played exactly similarly last time I was Cop and the main wagon at D1 end. I thought of claiming there several times too, but hid my cards as much as I possibly could, betting on the chance of an approaching reversal.

you fail to mention that the guy who was lynched over you happend to be the gf.


Can't remember the game so closely anymore. What does that have to do with anything?

trying to figure out like your "i did that as cop b4" is as good as annul's reputation
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 17 2017 11:30 GMT
#2269
oh that reminds me!
you havent even answered the annuls reputation thing!
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 17 2017 11:57 GMT
#2279
nah he knows ill flip town
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 17 2017 11:58 GMT
#2280
really really pissed we dont have a vig
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 17 2017 11:59 GMT
#2281
and it is frustratingly hard to find specific posts already
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 17 2017 12:02 GMT
#2284
okay sure. should have been more specific: really sad that noone shot xata n1.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 17 2017 12:04 GMT
#2285
On June 17 2017 20:33 Xatalos wrote:
Ahh yeah, someone asked me why I thought annul had a good reputation?

Not exactly sure from where. I think he's been playing for like 10 years or something though? So I thought he would be better than that as town.

well.
it is kinda the thing you put down in a read cause it reads nice and it sounds nice and it gives your read a bit of sustance, but in reality doesnt hold up to anything. so exactly what scum likes to do.

or as bh put it:
On June 16 2017 09:54 Blazinghand wrote:
Most people here haven't played with Annul. He doesn't play much these days. I've played a game or two with him, and I know some guys like HolyFlare, Palmar, Rels, marv, Grack, Vivax, etc have been around enough they likely played with him as well. Anyone else claiming to have played with him or to know his meta is likely talking out of their ass.


though in fairness xata didnt outright claim to know his meta.
still. annul said before the lynch he was the guy who got n1 all the time.

so at the very least xata was pulling unstubstanciated stuff out of thin air to make his read sound better.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 17 2017 12:14 GMT
#2287
nah i think ruxxar did some strange stuff on purpose to draw a shot from scum
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 17 2017 12:18 GMT
#2290
so my world looks like this atm:

annul (7): sicklucker, ruXxar, Fecalfeast, Xatalos, Rels, Grackaroni, Eversince
Xatalos (6): darthfoley, Koshi, Skynx, disformation, annul, Holyflare
sicklucker (2): Palmar, Vivax
Koshi (1): beentheredonethat
marvellosity (1): Tumblewood
Skynx (1): VayneAuthority

Not voted (4): Damdred, raynpelikoneet, AMG, marvellosity

rayn had some good posts recently as well.so prolly green.
very high probability of at least 1 more, prolly 2 scum on annul.
if there is a scum oin xata its skynx. just per poe.
had a few instances where i was a bit worried about vivi (the parts where I felt he was reading another game), but i think i would lynch a bunch of other ppl before him.

prolly should look at btdt, skynx and the ppl on annul again.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 17 2017 12:19 GMT
#2291
On June 17 2017 21:18 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2017 21:14 disformation wrote:
nah i think ruxxar did some strange stuff on purpose to draw a shot from scum


Ok what do you think he did? Cause you clearly have an idea.

And what do you think of what I said about rayn?

Also, you don't cc right? Cause I'm still on the fence about whether I'm going to lynch an un ccd cop.

nope no cc.
i agree with the points on rayn.
i dont agree with rayns scumread on me, but overall i liked his posts.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 17 2017 12:21 GMT
#2292
imo ruxxar went for a combination of:
"i am totes blue scum you better shoot me"
and "df isnt universally town read! you dont need to shoot him"
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 17 2017 12:27 GMT
#2294
On June 17 2017 21:22 Vivax wrote:
So disfo you think that rayns posts look good when he said that Palmar is mafia if he's wrong on SL?
I think that was a bad post.

huh?
can you quote that post? was that earlier in the game?
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 17 2017 12:28 GMT
#2296
this one?
On June 17 2017 00:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am seriously conflicted on if Palmar is right and sl is mafia or if Palmar is mafia....

Also HF. Maybe sl is mafia then.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 17 2017 12:29 GMT
#2298
missed your post thats what i am doing
gimme a sec to read =D
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 17 2017 12:32 GMT
#2299
ah okay i get it now.
very similar happened earlier with:
On June 17 2017 01:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2017 16:52 Rels wrote:
On June 15 2017 12:05 darthfoley wrote:
Anyone else wonder why Rels was like 24 town reads with caveats to every read? How can you call Xata's post on ruXxar "good' when he just copy and pasted what like 4 other people have already pointed out?

On June 15 2017 12:07 darthfoley wrote:
Like how can Rels view my case on Xatalos as convincing and pretty good while also town reading Xatalos for a thread sentiment case on ruXxar?

Don't like Rels so far

It was a chronological list of things of interest while I was catching up. When I found something on a player that was already on the list I just put another thing under the list of that player.
So:
DF:
- also understanding Skynx post + doing his own thing (p 18). Dunno why he doesn't like Xata though. Didnt find anything Xata did so far was AI.
- nice post explaining why Xata is scummy. Convincing too, the bit where Xata missed Skynx' logic.

First dash refers to this post.
Second dash refers to this post.

Then this:
Xata:
- good post on ruxxar.

Refers to this post.

this post. it is all over the place, starts from nothing and ends up on nothing.
idk how to explain it more clearly.

On June 17 2017 01:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Meh i am bad... The post doesnt actually explain anything (in how he got where he did), it just repeats what he did...


so yeah rayn might be a bit sloppy this game, i am not sure if that is alignment indicative though.
since he seems to have crazy 16h work shifts and stuff.

why would you put ruxxar in a scumlist though?
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 17 2017 12:33 GMT
#2300
e.g. he also failed to vote.
that is not very good as either alignment
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 17 2017 12:37 GMT
#2301
i also liked his attempt to troll bh.
scum less likely to have humour.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 17 2017 12:39 GMT
#2302
so yeah it is a kinda sloppy rayn, but i am not convinced that is nai
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