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On June 17 2017 20:13 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2017 20:10 ruXxar wrote:On June 17 2017 20:02 Xatalos wrote:On June 17 2017 19:55 Chezitwo wrote:On June 17 2017 19:51 Xatalos wrote:On June 17 2017 19:42 Chezitwo wrote:On June 17 2017 19:40 Xatalos wrote:On June 17 2017 19:35 disformation wrote:
got any crumbs?
why claim so early in the game and not try to case me to get more info/reactions before claiming midday?
technically i suppose it is not impossible for there to be a framer or some stuff
I suppose you could theoretically be another unaware Miller, or there could even be a Framer role. The odds aren't good at all though in either case. I didn't make any posts on the purpose of claiming my check (or role), since there are always risks. I think my play has been very similar to how I played as Cop last time though (including the EOD D1 events) - can't remember the name now but I can dig it up. Didn't really crumb there either, but my checks were successes either way. Weren't people calling for a vigshot on you? I did not read very closely yesterday but I seem to remember it this way. Seems more than just risky. I suppose it wasn't impossible I might have been shot. It wasn't for sure there even was a Vig though, and no way in hell would scum shoot me, and the optimal Vig shot would have been more in the direction of the AFK lurkers than just killing for info, so I wasn't too worried. If I had claimed / crumbed noticeably in the night, the odds of being shot/roleblocked would have increased instead. So, are you going to solve the game today? Because you put us in a very inconvenient position. Your claim is very suspicious. Worst comes to worst, disfo is just a free lynch D3. I don't terribly mind that outcome since I'm dying soon no matter what. Considering that, I think I'll have some time today to read the game so I can try to leave a legacy. I'm thinking that if you had a red check, you wouldn't give up this easily and be so calm about it. You should be kicking and screaming all the way to the gallows. Like, a cop is a HUGE asset to town. You were so close to getting lynched yesterday, yet you made no effort to even change the tide of the votes, know that you could play a critical role in winning this for us. My feeling is that if you were a cop, you would have put in way more effort yesterday to get out of a near lynch situation. I think I played exactly similarly last time I was Cop and the main wagon at D1 end. I thought of claiming there several times too, but hid my cards as much as I possibly could, betting on the chance of an approaching reversal.
you fail to mention that the guy who was lynched over you happend to be the gf.
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On June 17 2017 20:18 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2017 20:13 Xatalos wrote:On June 17 2017 20:10 ruXxar wrote:On June 17 2017 20:02 Xatalos wrote:On June 17 2017 19:55 Chezitwo wrote:On June 17 2017 19:51 Xatalos wrote:On June 17 2017 19:42 Chezitwo wrote:On June 17 2017 19:40 Xatalos wrote:On June 17 2017 19:35 disformation wrote:
got any crumbs?
why claim so early in the game and not try to case me to get more info/reactions before claiming midday?
technically i suppose it is not impossible for there to be a framer or some stuff
I suppose you could theoretically be another unaware Miller, or there could even be a Framer role. The odds aren't good at all though in either case. I didn't make any posts on the purpose of claiming my check (or role), since there are always risks. I think my play has been very similar to how I played as Cop last time though (including the EOD D1 events) - can't remember the name now but I can dig it up. Didn't really crumb there either, but my checks were successes either way. Weren't people calling for a vigshot on you? I did not read very closely yesterday but I seem to remember it this way. Seems more than just risky. I suppose it wasn't impossible I might have been shot. It wasn't for sure there even was a Vig though, and no way in hell would scum shoot me, and the optimal Vig shot would have been more in the direction of the AFK lurkers than just killing for info, so I wasn't too worried. If I had claimed / crumbed noticeably in the night, the odds of being shot/roleblocked would have increased instead. So, are you going to solve the game today? Because you put us in a very inconvenient position. Your claim is very suspicious. Worst comes to worst, disfo is just a free lynch D3. I don't terribly mind that outcome since I'm dying soon no matter what. Considering that, I think I'll have some time today to read the game so I can try to leave a legacy. I'm thinking that if you had a red check, you wouldn't give up this easily and be so calm about it. You should be kicking and screaming all the way to the gallows. Like, a cop is a HUGE asset to town. You were so close to getting lynched yesterday, yet you made no effort to even change the tide of the votes, know that you could play a critical role in winning this for us. My feeling is that if you were a cop, you would have put in way more effort yesterday to get out of a near lynch situation. I think I played exactly similarly last time I was Cop and the main wagon at D1 end. I thought of claiming there several times too, but hid my cards as much as I possibly could, betting on the chance of an approaching reversal. If you are a cop, why didn't you put in a check on the person that was leading the counter wagon? In your situation I would've checked sicklucker. Sicklucker was the lead of a train on annul, as well as being trained on by holy flare. Did you think that all three wagons: Annul, Sicklucker and You were town? That would be quite masterful play by the mafia.
Well I didn't really see the case on sl that much. After annul flipped, I didn't consider it to be that impossible all 3 were town. After all there were so many non-voters / random target voters / no specific counter-push to sl, more like it was between me/sl/annul and gradually went to me vs annul. sl will be under pressure anyway in the coming days. disfo had basically slipped by under the radar on the other hand.
Btw I think this was the game I was talking about before: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/465098-guilty-mini-mafia
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Meh, I think I'm going to pack it up and and get me some fresh air.
I think todays lynch is pretty much set in stone.
It's up to the mafia to try and turn the tides.
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On June 17 2017 20:21 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2017 20:13 Xatalos wrote:On June 17 2017 20:10 ruXxar wrote:On June 17 2017 20:02 Xatalos wrote:On June 17 2017 19:55 Chezitwo wrote:On June 17 2017 19:51 Xatalos wrote:On June 17 2017 19:42 Chezitwo wrote:On June 17 2017 19:40 Xatalos wrote:On June 17 2017 19:35 disformation wrote:
got any crumbs?
why claim so early in the game and not try to case me to get more info/reactions before claiming midday?
technically i suppose it is not impossible for there to be a framer or some stuff
I suppose you could theoretically be another unaware Miller, or there could even be a Framer role. The odds aren't good at all though in either case. I didn't make any posts on the purpose of claiming my check (or role), since there are always risks. I think my play has been very similar to how I played as Cop last time though (including the EOD D1 events) - can't remember the name now but I can dig it up. Didn't really crumb there either, but my checks were successes either way. Weren't people calling for a vigshot on you? I did not read very closely yesterday but I seem to remember it this way. Seems more than just risky. I suppose it wasn't impossible I might have been shot. It wasn't for sure there even was a Vig though, and no way in hell would scum shoot me, and the optimal Vig shot would have been more in the direction of the AFK lurkers than just killing for info, so I wasn't too worried. If I had claimed / crumbed noticeably in the night, the odds of being shot/roleblocked would have increased instead. So, are you going to solve the game today? Because you put us in a very inconvenient position. Your claim is very suspicious. Worst comes to worst, disfo is just a free lynch D3. I don't terribly mind that outcome since I'm dying soon no matter what. Considering that, I think I'll have some time today to read the game so I can try to leave a legacy. I'm thinking that if you had a red check, you wouldn't give up this easily and be so calm about it. You should be kicking and screaming all the way to the gallows. Like, a cop is a HUGE asset to town. You were so close to getting lynched yesterday, yet you made no effort to even change the tide of the votes, know that you could play a critical role in winning this for us. My feeling is that if you were a cop, you would have put in way more effort yesterday to get out of a near lynch situation. I think I played exactly similarly last time I was Cop and the main wagon at D1 end. I thought of claiming there several times too, but hid my cards as much as I possibly could, betting on the chance of an approaching reversal. you fail to mention that the guy who was lynched over you happend to be the gf.
Can't remember the game so closely anymore. What does that have to do with anything?
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On June 17 2017 20:24 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2017 20:21 disformation wrote:On June 17 2017 20:13 Xatalos wrote:On June 17 2017 20:10 ruXxar wrote:On June 17 2017 20:02 Xatalos wrote:On June 17 2017 19:55 Chezitwo wrote:On June 17 2017 19:51 Xatalos wrote:On June 17 2017 19:42 Chezitwo wrote:On June 17 2017 19:40 Xatalos wrote:On June 17 2017 19:35 disformation wrote:
got any crumbs?
why claim so early in the game and not try to case me to get more info/reactions before claiming midday?
technically i suppose it is not impossible for there to be a framer or some stuff
I suppose you could theoretically be another unaware Miller, or there could even be a Framer role. The odds aren't good at all though in either case. I didn't make any posts on the purpose of claiming my check (or role), since there are always risks. I think my play has been very similar to how I played as Cop last time though (including the EOD D1 events) - can't remember the name now but I can dig it up. Didn't really crumb there either, but my checks were successes either way. Weren't people calling for a vigshot on you? I did not read very closely yesterday but I seem to remember it this way. Seems more than just risky. I suppose it wasn't impossible I might have been shot. It wasn't for sure there even was a Vig though, and no way in hell would scum shoot me, and the optimal Vig shot would have been more in the direction of the AFK lurkers than just killing for info, so I wasn't too worried. If I had claimed / crumbed noticeably in the night, the odds of being shot/roleblocked would have increased instead. So, are you going to solve the game today? Because you put us in a very inconvenient position. Your claim is very suspicious. Worst comes to worst, disfo is just a free lynch D3. I don't terribly mind that outcome since I'm dying soon no matter what. Considering that, I think I'll have some time today to read the game so I can try to leave a legacy. I'm thinking that if you had a red check, you wouldn't give up this easily and be so calm about it. You should be kicking and screaming all the way to the gallows. Like, a cop is a HUGE asset to town. You were so close to getting lynched yesterday, yet you made no effort to even change the tide of the votes, know that you could play a critical role in winning this for us. My feeling is that if you were a cop, you would have put in way more effort yesterday to get out of a near lynch situation. I think I played exactly similarly last time I was Cop and the main wagon at D1 end. I thought of claiming there several times too, but hid my cards as much as I possibly could, betting on the chance of an approaching reversal. you fail to mention that the guy who was lynched over you happend to be the gf. Can't remember the game so closely anymore. What does that have to do with anything?
trying to figure out like your "i did that as cop b4" is as good as annul's reputation
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On June 17 2017 20:23 ruXxar wrote:
Meh, I think I'm going to pack it up and and get me some fresh air.
I think todays lynch is pretty much set in stone.
It's up to the mafia to try and turn the tides.
It is actually surprisingly fine with me. I'm so dead regardless that a small boost to victory odds by tonnes of effort doesn't seem hugely appealing. If that's what we decide, then so be it.
That being said, I'm in the unique position of knowing that disfo is already scum, so I'll most likely look at things and try to solve the scumteam from that perspective later tonight when I have more time again.
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On June 17 2017 20:26 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2017 20:24 Xatalos wrote:On June 17 2017 20:21 disformation wrote:On June 17 2017 20:13 Xatalos wrote:On June 17 2017 20:10 ruXxar wrote:On June 17 2017 20:02 Xatalos wrote:On June 17 2017 19:55 Chezitwo wrote:On June 17 2017 19:51 Xatalos wrote:On June 17 2017 19:42 Chezitwo wrote:On June 17 2017 19:40 Xatalos wrote:
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I suppose you could theoretically be another unaware Miller, or there could even be a Framer role. The odds aren't good at all though in either case.
I didn't make any posts on the purpose of claiming my check (or role), since there are always risks. I think my play has been very similar to how I played as Cop last time though (including the EOD D1 events) - can't remember the name now but I can dig it up. Didn't really crumb there either, but my checks were successes either way. Weren't people calling for a vigshot on you? I did not read very closely yesterday but I seem to remember it this way. Seems more than just risky. I suppose it wasn't impossible I might have been shot. It wasn't for sure there even was a Vig though, and no way in hell would scum shoot me, and the optimal Vig shot would have been more in the direction of the AFK lurkers than just killing for info, so I wasn't too worried. If I had claimed / crumbed noticeably in the night, the odds of being shot/roleblocked would have increased instead. So, are you going to solve the game today? Because you put us in a very inconvenient position. Your claim is very suspicious. Worst comes to worst, disfo is just a free lynch D3. I don't terribly mind that outcome since I'm dying soon no matter what. Considering that, I think I'll have some time today to read the game so I can try to leave a legacy. I'm thinking that if you had a red check, you wouldn't give up this easily and be so calm about it. You should be kicking and screaming all the way to the gallows. Like, a cop is a HUGE asset to town. You were so close to getting lynched yesterday, yet you made no effort to even change the tide of the votes, know that you could play a critical role in winning this for us. My feeling is that if you were a cop, you would have put in way more effort yesterday to get out of a near lynch situation. I think I played exactly similarly last time I was Cop and the main wagon at D1 end. I thought of claiming there several times too, but hid my cards as much as I possibly could, betting on the chance of an approaching reversal. you fail to mention that the guy who was lynched over you happend to be the gf. Can't remember the game so closely anymore. What does that have to do with anything? trying to figure out like your "i did that as cop b4" is as good as annul's reputation
I don't follow.
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oh that reminds me!
you havent even answered the annuls reputation thing!
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What thing? I've probably missed something. Or more than just a bit.
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On June 17 2017 20:29 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2017 20:23 ruXxar wrote:
Meh, I think I'm going to pack it up and and get me some fresh air.
I think todays lynch is pretty much set in stone.
It's up to the mafia to try and turn the tides. It is actually surprisingly fine with me. I'm so dead regardless that a small boost to victory odds by tonnes of effort doesn't seem hugely appealing. If that's what we decide, then so be it. That being said, I'm in the unique position of knowing that disfo is already scum, so I'll most likely look at things and try to solve the scumteam from that perspective later tonight when I have more time again.
Please do.
I'm open to considering other options if you bring something convincing to the table.
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On June 17 2017 20:31 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2017 20:29 Xatalos wrote:On June 17 2017 20:23 ruXxar wrote:
Meh, I think I'm going to pack it up and and get me some fresh air.
I think todays lynch is pretty much set in stone.
It's up to the mafia to try and turn the tides. It is actually surprisingly fine with me. I'm so dead regardless that a small boost to victory odds by tonnes of effort doesn't seem hugely appealing. If that's what we decide, then so be it. That being said, I'm in the unique position of knowing that disfo is already scum, so I'll most likely look at things and try to solve the scumteam from that perspective later tonight when I have more time again. Please do. I'm open to considering other options if you bring something convincing to the table.
We will see if I find something worthwhile.
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Ahh yeah, someone asked me why I thought annul had a good reputation?
Not exactly sure from where. I think he's been playing for like 10 years or something though? So I thought he would be better than that as town.
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In any case, now I'll be off for some time. Gl & hf
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On June 17 2017 20:39 Xatalos wrote:
In any case, now I'll be off for some time. Gl & hf
You're just going to peace out like that? You should have the most information right now if you are legit.
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On June 17 2017 20:33 Xatalos wrote:
Ahh yeah, someone asked me why I thought annul had a good reputation?
Not exactly sure from where. I think he's been playing for like 10 years or something though? So I thought he would be better than that as town.
Why did you wait so long after the day post to claim your role?
Did you honestly think you wouldn't be the target today?
If so, then who did you think would look scummy enough that town would lynch today, besides you?
Heres how it works out:
1)
You claim cop instantly.
We lynch disfo.
You get shot by mafia. Another town gets shot by mafia.
We trade cop for 1 mafia.
A net -1 loss for town
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You dont claim.
You get lynched.
We lose a cop and 2 towns tonight.
A net -3 loss for town.
Either way you die, so the best course of action is just to claim immediately.
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On June 17 2017 20:39 Xatalos wrote:
In any case, now I'll be off for some time. Gl & hf
I don't get your defeatist stance. There might be a medic, disformation might be the roleblocker.
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nah he knows ill flip town
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really really pissed we dont have a vig
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EPT
