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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 17 2017 14:41 GMT
#342
Is Rels playing? Who?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 17 2017 14:44 GMT
#344
For possible post-game credit:

iua
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 17 2017 14:45 GMT
#345
Oh. He just hasn't posted at all.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 17 2017 15:09 GMT
#357
I don't really read roleplay-posts. I see them as encrypted messages. If it was something important, it would be said plainly. So most likely it's fluff. If it became important later, it would become decrypted at that time anyway.

Sorry, rayn, I don't know what you were saying until your recent posts. I thought your Murloc posts were trolling and the Batman post maybe had some non-important reads hidden within (if it was important, it wouldn't be hidden to begin with).
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 17 2017 15:31 GMT
#369
On March 17 2017 23:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay i'll stop because i don't like put 1 hr effort into my posts that could be written in 5 minutes.

First of all there is this:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2017 07:28 Damdred wrote:
What Eden did though is wifom right up his alley, soon kind of ignores it and will wait patiently for him to come back and interact with.

What do you think of it though dis? Scum? Bad town? Obviously you have an opinion

Now the red part doesn't make any sense since the green part is the correct answer here. There is absolutely no reason to ask disformation WHAT he thinks of what Eden did. You either call him mafia for making something out of something NAI (which disformation didn't) or you realize it doesn't mean anything. If you want to ask something, you ask "why are you making something out of a thing that's completely not alignment indigative?".

Basically what Damdred did is he gave disformation a question where every answer disformation can possibly give is wrong. And that's not what townies do.

Show nested quote +
On March 17 2017 22:40 Damdred wrote:
Also where did deep go, just kinda peace out once people stopped suspecting him and hasn't been back. Not saying lunch able just worrying.

Also this is very much bs right here. He is either saying:
- DBS is a suspect because he hasn't posted for 12 hrs (which is jsut bullshit), or
- it's not actually alignment indicative (which makes the "read" bullshit)



Second order of business is this post:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2017 10:18 Malongo wrote:
On March 17 2017 10:06 darthfoley wrote:
Oh! Also don't like Malongo

I think we are in the same team tbh. You quote still sucks anyways.

My general read is pretty weak at this point. I don´t like how fast Damdred and disformation are piling up ealry. I would rather find a third way because we may be making mafia life too easy.

So I propose lynching Ryan. Not that I find him specially scummy but I don´t want to play with a troll for a second time.

##ryanpelikoneet

Everything else es just nonsense for me at this point.

I have huge problems with the red parts in this post. Last game Malongo played he went straight to scumhunting. This game (which is also closer to his last scumgame here). The red flags are:
- There is no reason to call Darthfoley town just because he is calling Malongo mafia
- There is no reason to assume disformation and Damdred are town just because there are people voting for them

The same thing appears in Malongo's scumgame. He finds some NAI narrative that makes no sense at all and makes "reads" based on it. He isn't basically trying to find mafia. He is just talking nonsense.

The third thing that sticks out to me is Xatalos. There are a couple of problems in his posting:
- He thinks i am trolling (which he should know i never am), well not really trolling, he thought i wasn't saying anything when clearly i was in every single one of my posts
- I don't see any sort of direction in his posting, basically i don't understand what he is doing
- He has somehow come to a conclusion that everyone is scum/null reading me which is not true since only Malongo is "scum"reading me and Koshi is clearly townreading me



Other than that:
DBS is quite clearly town
Koshi is town
Calix is most likely just over-eager town
I don't have any problems with disformation
I don't have any problems with Darthfoley
I don't have any problems with Tumblewood
Onegu is his basic non-entity-self
I somehow thought Eden could possibly be town for his opener but i am not sure why anymore. So idk about him.


I don't like this post much. It basically feels like forced/fake aggro. Pushing a pool of players with any reason, no matter how (in)significant, just to push them.

1) The Damdred part is very weak. First of all, it's a bit too much to say that Eden's opening was obviously 100% NAI. In addition, even if it was 100% NAI, it's not a scummy thing to ask people for opinions on a sudden "big event". Their reaction could be possibly more significant than the event itself. Especially if there isn't much else to talk about yet.

2) On second thoughts, the Malongo part isn't that bad. Just not strong/convincing.

3) As for the points on me... I'm not sure how not decrypting his roleplaying posts or "not having an agenda" are scummy things to do. I would think the scum team would be much more likely to do either of those.

I assumed the votes were troll votes since they were unreasoned and accompanied by Murloc sounds.

(Rayn: I must have missed Koshi town reading you. Not sure if it was before my post though. In any case, an exception doesn't overrule the general sentiment.)

-> At first I was half-convinced rayn was scum, but now I'm not sure again.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 17 2017 15:36 GMT
#372
By the way, rayn, you said disfo had no problems. Isn't it a bit hard to just ignore him like that? He did basically make up things I never said and also acted very defensive/tense when just questioned. Those are at least slight problems in my eyes.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 17 2017 15:44 GMT
#378
Lynch thoughts:

Damdred NO
Disfo YEA(?)
Mal MAYBE(?)
rayn MAYBE MAYBE(?)
Tumble MAYBE(?)
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 17 2017 15:45 GMT
#381
Oh and

Calix NO
Foley NO(?)
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 17 2017 15:47 GMT
#382
Well, foley needs more looking
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 17 2017 15:47 GMT
#384
On March 18 2017 00:44 darthfoley wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
my contextual use of the word anal in my previous post leaves a lot to be desired


>.>
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 17 2017 15:52 GMT
#389
On March 18 2017 00:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2017 00:35 Koshi wrote:
@rayn. I am liking Damdred atm. This is a good post.
On March 17 2017 22:40 Damdred wrote:
I think mal posts are suspect and I think he ignored my post about who the scum were on dis and my wagons at the time having an easy time. Id put him in the scummy category.

Tumble is interesting I think, chides me for trying to form a town circle when that's exactly what I do early every game and I'm almost always right. I think it's just super weird way to go about it especially without explaining why I'm wrong on the vets I wanted to town read. Bottom of null for me.

As for your question xata, he just has no deviation from his story idk if I see scum doing it without trying to backtrack meh.

Also where did deep go, just kinda peace out once people stopped suspecting him and hasn't been back. Not saying lunch able just worrying.

I don't. The last part makes no sense and is not a reason to "doubt" anyone.

The Tumble read is also bad (as you pointed it out now). There is nothing weird in saying "these people are too good to be read town early on for their posting". There is nothing wrong in that. There is nothing interesting in that, it doesn't mean anything since Tumble just pointed out (in case he is town - which i am quite sure he is) what he believes to be true, and it makes sense.


Hmm. I guess that's an OK point.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 17 2017 15:53 GMT
#392
On March 18 2017 00:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2017 00:36 Xatalos wrote:
By the way, rayn, you said disfo had no problems. Isn't it a bit hard to just ignore him like that? He did basically make up things I never said and also acted very defensive/tense when just questioned. Those are at least slight problems in my eyes.

I am not sure where he made up something, could you point me out to that?
Being defensive/tense has nothing to do with alignment.


On phone right now, but read my filter - later part
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 17 2017 15:59 GMT
#406
The whole chain of events should be in my filter. Disfo even admitted that it was all something he "pulled out of thin air" -which I'm still baffled by and unsure how to judge it
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 17 2017 16:01 GMT
#407
TBH I'm also baffled by how you missed one of the biggest events in the thread, rayn, yet blamed me for ignoring your Murloc messages..
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 17 2017 16:03 GMT
#411
On March 18 2017 01:02 disformation wrote:
kinda confused myself now. cause i made a pretty big/nice post trying to explain all that stuff earlier.


Which in turn made me even more confused than at the start >.> But I kind of gave up on trying to understand, since apparently there was no real thought behind it
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 17 2017 16:05 GMT
#415
On March 18 2017 00:51 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2017 00:47 Xatalos wrote:
Well, foley needs more looking


go right ahead and look!


On March 18 2017 00:47 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2017 00:44 darthfoley wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
my contextual use of the word anal in my previous post leaves a lot to be desired


>.>

"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 17 2017 16:10 GMT
#420
On March 18 2017 01:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Disformation is not mafia. Even if what Xatalos says is right no mafia jsut straight up makes up shit on some random person at the start of the game.


I thought he lost track of his supposed thoughts / real events and too forcibly twisted the narrative or something. But now I'm not sure anymore. It's a big cluster*.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 17 2017 16:25 GMT
#429
On March 18 2017 01:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So disformation, explain this very concisely.
Why did you pull something out of thin air?


"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 17 2017 16:29 GMT
#433
The problem is the part of "what you had" though..
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 17 2017 16:30 GMT
#436
Meh, maybe I've gone overboard with this, but the thought process behind it still mystifies me
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
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