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On March 21 2017 23:53 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2017 23:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:EBWOP: Why would he "confirm" you (who he doesn't exactly townread) that he is blue? *to you he is the cop and green checked me...
I didn't >.>
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I guess Onegu misunderstood our exchange.
That misunderstanding in itself feels somehow genuine though.
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How exactly did you come to that conclusion though? Even before we talked..?
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On March 22 2017 00:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2017 23:58 Xatalos wrote:The problem with focusing purely on logical arguments is that it's not an accurate approach. Town can often be illogical as well. Maybe even more so since scum are more careful not to "slip". Let's assume you're town for a minute, rayn. Remember the Resistance game where you were town and I was scum? I was quite logical, constructive and widely townread (especially by you). You focused a lot on a couple of people like HTS who made bad arguments, even if they weren't overall really scummy (at least in my opinion). So take Damdred for example. You've claimed that he hasn't been "smart" enough and that his question at the start didn't make sense. Even if both of those were true, neither make him scum (for the record, I agree that his question didn't make much sense, but it was just something of a discussion starter, and I think he's made several "smart" observations). Now a better reason might be something like that he's been a bit detached from both lynches. Even so, he's been posting a lot and clearly thinking about the game in terms of solving it. I'm willing to forgive some detachment for that. Especially since both Malongo and Eden have been pretty lurky and unexciting targets. + Show Spoiler +I'm pushing my mental stamina not to mention a couple of new things I thought about rayn... it's not really relevant now anyway, and we'll know a lot more as time passed. Your problem here is mistaking what mafia knows and what mafia doesn't know. If you know Damdred is town in this game then you also know he isn't being "unsmart" or anything i claim, jsut as you knew HTS was not "really scummy". In this game however you have presented multiple arguments for me being mafia that have absolutely nothing to do with me being mafia, in fact they make me most likely town considering my earlier games. Then you, even after conceding i can be town, follow up with trashing on everything i say without even trying to interact with me. Yeah, you haven't done that earlier as mafia. But it doesn't make any sense and i don't see any fucking reason why you would do that as town. You got townread for it, i didn't. Maybe you just rolled with it, who the fuck knows. I don't, but i also don't know why you would EVER do that as town.
Even if you're not a good lynch, it doesn't mean your words are holy. Maybe I've become overly paranoid of you after being burned many times... but it's also a sign of respect, in a way, that I believe you could still be scum in this situation. There aren't many people I would believe could be (maybe HF?).
That also leads to the result that I take everything you say with a grain of salt. That's doubly so when I'm your top scum and your reads completely contradict mine. It's not easy to reach a mutual understanding from there.
So I'd rather ignore you to some extent and listen more closely to what clearer probable townies say.
No hard feelings.
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That's not even a case, just a side-note. Besides you probably misunderstood it (on purpose or not). I just meant that your reads were a bit too unnaturally static until then, never even reconsidering with new info, just repeating old points.
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On March 22 2017 00:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2017 00:18 Xatalos wrote:
That's not even a case, just a side-note. Besides you probably misunderstood it (on purpose or not). I just meant that your reads were a bit too unnaturally static until then, never even reconsidering with new info, just repeating old points. It doesnt matter what it is, it matter Calix' filter says she scumread me for it so why don't you scumread her then for a shit read?
I don't think Calix put you to scum based on that note. She just said it was better than my pre-flip stuff I was talking previously.
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Hard to check on phone but could you quote her posts that you're talking about rayn
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On March 22 2017 00:25 Koshi wrote:
##unvote
##vote Xatalos
Bad boys 4 life
Hmm... why?
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I don't really even mind though. It's bound to me more interesting if I'm a realistic option rather than just lurkers.
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On March 22 2017 00:29 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2017 00:27 Xatalos wrote:On March 22 2017 00:25 Koshi wrote:
##unvote
##vote Xatalos
Bad boys 4 life Hmm... why? Are you reading my posts?
Probably missed some. Hard to play ATM. What I saw was you were completely sure I was town, then I got a few votes and you brought up a couple of posts from me that were apologetic or something, and now I'm top scum......?
Right...
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On March 22 2017 00:42 Calix wrote:
Are you fucking stupid, rayn? I literally say in those quotes that I voted because of sheeping and wagon stuff and then made a post where you were POE because everyone else is townier? That is not a scum read still and you will never find evidence proving otherwise because none exists.
Literally have been incredibly townie the entire game and you scum-read me for the dumbest shit that doesn't show mafia agenda in the slightest. Bad bad bad bad bad.
rayn this game in a nutshell 
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Now that I'm back at a place where I can comfortably use the internet.
Gotta mention something that caught my attention earlier. I thought I wouldn't say it for now, but I guess I will.
When Eden was almost the assured lynch, it irked me how it looked like rayn was setting me up as scum if/when Eden flipped scum:
On March 21 2017 12:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Because if Eden is mafia there is nothing mafia can do about this lynch. Xatalos is smart enough to not fight it too much (while he tried at the start of the day already regardless of what he says). And all things considered Eden looks like mafia.
When I became a realistic option, I'm down from top scum to bad town suddenly... As if preparing for my town flip. Not sure if on purpose or subconsciously, but it's an odd switch. Before this moment, where the momentum was for me to die, rayn never made posts like this..
On March 22 2017 00:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2017 00:14 Xatalos wrote:On March 22 2017 00:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 21 2017 23:58 Xatalos wrote:The problem with focusing purely on logical arguments is that it's not an accurate approach. Town can often be illogical as well. Maybe even more so since scum are more careful not to "slip". Let's assume you're town for a minute, rayn. Remember the Resistance game where you were town and I was scum? I was quite logical, constructive and widely townread (especially by you). You focused a lot on a couple of people like HTS who made bad arguments, even if they weren't overall really scummy (at least in my opinion). So take Damdred for example. You've claimed that he hasn't been "smart" enough and that his question at the start didn't make sense. Even if both of those were true, neither make him scum (for the record, I agree that his question didn't make much sense, but it was just something of a discussion starter, and I think he's made several "smart" observations). Now a better reason might be something like that he's been a bit detached from both lynches. Even so, he's been posting a lot and clearly thinking about the game in terms of solving it. I'm willing to forgive some detachment for that. Especially since both Malongo and Eden have been pretty lurky and unexciting targets. + Show Spoiler +I'm pushing my mental stamina not to mention a couple of new things I thought about rayn... it's not really relevant now anyway, and we'll know a lot more as time passed. Your problem here is mistaking what mafia knows and what mafia doesn't know. If you know Damdred is town in this game then you also know he isn't being "unsmart" or anything i claim, jsut as you knew HTS was not "really scummy". In this game however you have presented multiple arguments for me being mafia that have absolutely nothing to do with me being mafia, in fact they make me most likely town considering my earlier games. Then you, even after conceding i can be town, follow up with trashing on everything i say without even trying to interact with me. Yeah, you haven't done that earlier as mafia. But it doesn't make any sense and i don't see any fucking reason why you would do that as town. You got townread for it, i didn't. Maybe you just rolled with it, who the fuck knows. I don't, but i also don't know why you would EVER do that as town. Even if you're not a good lynch, it doesn't mean your words are holy. Maybe I've become overly paranoid of you after being burned many times... but it's also a sign of respect, in a way, that I believe you could still be scum in this situation. There aren't many people I would believe could be (maybe HF?). That also leads to the result that I take everything you say with a grain of salt. That's doubly so when I'm your top scum and your reads completely contradict mine. It's not easy to reach a mutual understanding from there. So I'd rather ignore you to some extent and listen more closely to what clearer probable townies say. No hard feelings. You just made a post that said "i am bad at mafia if i am town this game".
On March 22 2017 00:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2017 00:22 Xatalos wrote:On March 22 2017 00:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 22 2017 00:18 Xatalos wrote:
That's not even a case, just a side-note. Besides you probably misunderstood it (on purpose or not). I just meant that your reads were a bit too unnaturally static until then, never even reconsidering with new info, just repeating old points. It doesnt matter what it is, it matter Calix' filter says she scumread me for it so why don't you scumread her then for a shit read? I don't think Calix put you to scum based on that note. She just said it was better than my pre-flip stuff I was talking previously. Here is exactly what is fucking wrong with you in this game.....
Yeah... just had to point that out on the off-chance I do die. rayn is not a good lynch now so ignore it for the time being.
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On March 22 2017 00:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Both vote for me instead of Eden. I need a couple of hours to figure this shit out.
Why in the name of all that is holy would you risk your own life as JK? Or claim in the first place, if I might ask? I would never do either of those actions as a blue, and you're very willing to abandon your role usage for some thread clout.
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urgh.... deep down I don't believe rayn is actually a blue, but since there is no CC, we have to consider the worst case scenario. Life sucks.
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On March 22 2017 00:58 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2017 00:56 Xatalos wrote:On March 22 2017 00:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Both vote for me instead of Eden. I need a couple of hours to figure this shit out. Why in the name of all that is holy would you risk your own life as JK? Or claim in the first place, if I might ask? I would never do either of those actions as a blue, and you're very willing to abandon your role usage for some thread clout. Why would he do it as mafia? Why ask this question? And why are you ignoring my 3 posts I made on you?
Sorry, I was keeping up with the thread on my phone in short bursts earlier. Didn't read your posts in detail. I'll get to them eventually. Could you maybe summarize your case? Because like a couple of pages ago I was your top town, now top scum. The change is really radical.
As scum his actions would make a lot of sense. Gain some credibility by fakeclaiming (especially in a vanilla setup), direct the lynch away from himself/Eden, maybe get 1-2 mislynches before getting caught. If it's not a vanilla setup, he could alternatively catch the blues before going down.
As town..... just why would he abandon his crucial role with ease and even want people to vote for him vs me? As scum he would certainly want that, since it'd be easier to win him vs me than Eden vs me.
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On March 22 2017 01:03 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2017 01:02 Xatalos wrote:On March 22 2017 00:58 Koshi wrote:On March 22 2017 00:56 Xatalos wrote:On March 22 2017 00:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Both vote for me instead of Eden. I need a couple of hours to figure this shit out. Why in the name of all that is holy would you risk your own life as JK? Or claim in the first place, if I might ask? I would never do either of those actions as a blue, and you're very willing to abandon your role usage for some thread clout. Why would he do it as mafia? Why ask this question? And why are you ignoring my 3 posts I made on you? Sorry, I was keeping up with the thread on my phone in short bursts earlier. Didn't read your posts in detail. I'll get to them eventually. Could you maybe summarize your case? Because like a couple of pages ago I was your top town, now top scum. The change is really radical. As scum his actions would make a lot of sense. Gain some credibility by fakeclaiming (especially in a vanilla setup), direct the lynch away from himself/Eden, maybe get 1-2 mislynches before getting caught. If it's not a vanilla setup, he could alternatively catch the blues before going down. As town..... just why would he abandon his crucial role with ease and even want people to vote for him vs me? As scum he would certainly want that, since it'd be easier to win him vs me than Eden vs me. You were never my top town. You were lock town. Now you are lock mafia.
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On March 21 2017 23:19 Koshi wrote:
Looking at that again those 3 names are really bad. Eden as placeholder / disformation is the same as malongo / and AMG hasn't done anything and is null
How are that your 3 biggest scumreads on D2 Xatalos?
That's just the result of POE/sheeping while I was at work. As soon as I got home, I started filter-diving and my reads changed significantly.
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On March 22 2017 01:05 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2017 01:02 Xatalos wrote:On March 22 2017 00:58 Koshi wrote:On March 22 2017 00:56 Xatalos wrote:On March 22 2017 00:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Both vote for me instead of Eden. I need a couple of hours to figure this shit out. Why in the name of all that is holy would you risk your own life as JK? Or claim in the first place, if I might ask? I would never do either of those actions as a blue, and you're very willing to abandon your role usage for some thread clout. Why would he do it as mafia? Why ask this question? And why are you ignoring my 3 posts I made on you? Sorry, I was keeping up with the thread on my phone in short bursts earlier. Didn't read your posts in detail. I'll get to them eventually. Could you maybe summarize your case? Because like a couple of pages ago I was your top town, now top scum. The change is really radical. As scum his actions would make a lot of sense. Gain some credibility by fakeclaiming (especially in a vanilla setup), direct the lynch away from himself/Eden, maybe get 1-2 mislynches before getting caught. If it's not a vanilla setup, he could alternatively catch the blues before going down. As town..... just why would he abandon his crucial role with ease and even want people to vote for him vs me? As scum he would certainly want that, since it'd be easier to win him vs me than Eden vs me. I already explained to you that there is no way rayn fucking fakeclaims to save his partner Eden. This is not fucking lylo and he can ALWAYS be counter to be CONFIRMED mafia. Why would he be THIS FUCKING DESPERATE AS MAFIA?
Well in the vanilla setup it would make perfect sense. The situation was pretty desperate with scum vs scum wagons (assuming they're both scum).
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Question: why would he be so FUCKING DESPERATE as town to waste away his JK role for having a couple of votes on himself at D2 start? How does town come to that conclusion? I never would. And I haven't seen him do that before either. He does like risky gambles though, and fake claiming would be just his style.
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