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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 20 2017 18:04 GMT
#1565
Calix what are your updated thoughts on disfo / DF?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 20 2017 18:18 GMT
#1570
Rofl... I laugh IRL everytime I read the name "solatax the amnesiac". Not sure why it gets me. Maybe because it's kind of true
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 20 2017 18:18 GMT
#1571
Also reminds me of the golden days of SC2 Mafia.

http://sc2mafia.wikia.com/wiki/Amnesiac
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 20 2017 18:40 GMT
#1573
Heh.

Do note though that I never really townread him. Or read him for that matter.... He was kind of under my radar all game.

Both Eden and DF made cases that I thought had some merit at the time (against Calix and Malongo). Those cases haven't aged that well though and there isn't much else they've done (or practically nothing else in Eden's case).
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 20 2017 18:53 GMT
#1575
What was my name again?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 20 2017 18:58 GMT
#1576
What game are we even playing?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 20 2017 19:50 GMT
#1590
Eden deserves lynching more regardless. We'll see how to proceed after the flip.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 20 2017 19:52 GMT
#1592
On March 21 2017 04:42 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2017 04:38 Calix wrote:
Yo DF, Xatalos and DDD are tinfoiling you as scum iirc. You should check that out.


Yea I saw. Xata frames it as hedging when I consider it to be logical and reasoned play, especially regarding you. I realized mid way through day 1 that I was spending way too much brain power on you and making tons of pre flip associations and shit that were counterproductive.

I didnt hedge at all on Malongo and gave him multiple chances for me to rethink my vote.

I don't think this game is as easy as everyone seems to think and I don't have huge PoE town circles to work off of.

Top town are rayn given the claim and you, followed by koshi. After that it gets very muddled for me and I'm by sure what to think


Maybe. There isn't anything super scummy about you. Just the general careful/hedging feel of many posts and POE.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 20 2017 19:55 GMT
#1593
On March 21 2017 04:50 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2017 03:40 Xatalos wrote:
Heh.

Do note though that I never really townread him. Or read him for that matter.... He was kind of under my radar all game.

Both Eden and DF made cases that I thought had some merit at the time (against Calix and Malongo). Those cases haven't aged that well though and there isn't much else they've done (or practically nothing else in Eden's case).


Don't think this is a particularly accurate portrayal of my game. I'm like the only person to attempt pressuring Koshi and I successfully got his knickers in a twist (which I take pride in regardless of alignment)

I've had quite a busy day so while the last 10 pages were generated I wasn't around. Before that ritoky and Damdred(?) cased Eden pretty thoroughly which I don't have any problems with and I've been fine with him being the lynch today.

On the other hand you've been talking about this conspiracy theory bullshit for like half of today that isn't productive. You keep saying you'll stop and then you don't. So maybe we should both be more productive!


My two weak spots... Amnesia and bashing rayn

Well I said "much else". You have a rather large filter, and not as much content as I expected. Certainly you've done more than Eden or Onegu.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 20 2017 20:10 GMT
#1600
I can't even do it. I was trying to make one of those kinds of posts as a joke, but it's surprisingly hard..
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 20 2017 20:11 GMT
#1601
wot dis
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 20 2017 21:02 GMT
#1604
ohhhhh
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 21 2017 06:05 GMT
#1635
Ignore rayn....

Another wagon isn't a bad idea. I won't vote for disfo today, but it's much more informative to have some competition.

ritoky kill was probably a combination of him being on the right track and wanting to create WIFOM
+ Show Spoiler +
.... and avoiding a save. That makes rayn more likely town, but unfortunately the ritoky kill is more likely if there is a save to be worried about.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 21 2017 06:08 GMT
#1636
On March 21 2017 14:32 Tumblewood wrote:
very strong town
calix
amg

other town
df
koshi
eden
xata

possible scummers
onegu
rayn
damdred
disfo


Uh.... How did Damdred, me and rayn end up lower than Eden, DF and AMG?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 21 2017 06:10 GMT
#1637
On March 21 2017 01:57 Tumblewood wrote:
idk I'm looking through disfo and I think I like him again. his early d1 is still good and he wasn't as useless as I thought mid-d1 (probably the part I skipped because some of it is unfamiliar).


Also how did disfo become scum when you only had good things to say about him today >.>
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 21 2017 06:15 GMT
#1639
On March 21 2017 14:21 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2017 14:15 darthfoley wrote:
On March 21 2017 14:09 Tumblewood wrote:
my objectivity is at an all time low + Show Spoiler +
not really
but I'm flipping disfo to scum. other pro is we get a nice interesting EoD


Explain why you TR koshi and are switching in disformation pls

I didn't like the eden wagon, so I voted Koshi. then I decided I should probably read Koshi's filter in case he was town, and his filter was good. not a real close examination but everything I saw (see: cared about) made me think he was town. so I decided maybe I was wrong on disfo. and I had kinda come off reading Koshi's very anti-disfo filter but in this read I started caring more about how boring he was. and he was boring, and I disliked him enough to vote him.
then I checked out eden again and it was actually pretty townie imo


OK, you did sort of explain it........
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 21 2017 06:15 GMT
#1640
On March 21 2017 15:14 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2017 15:08 Xatalos wrote:
On March 21 2017 14:32 Tumblewood wrote:
very strong town
calix
amg

other town
df
koshi
eden
xata

possible scummers
onegu
rayn
damdred
disfo


Uh.... How did Damdred, me and rayn end up lower than Eden, DF and AMG?

because I thought they were more town


Rofl
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 21 2017 06:20 GMT
#1643
At least nobody can say your answers aren't direct and to the point :D
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 21 2017 06:21 GMT
#1644
On March 21 2017 15:19 Tumblewood wrote:
(if you think my answers are unhelpful it's because I think my reads are fine as they are and your questions are indirectly calling them ridiculous. also I do not have anything in the way of formal reasoning)


Hmm.... Just gut feels?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 21 2017 14:58 GMT
#1772
The problem with focusing purely on logical arguments is that it's not an accurate approach. Town can often be illogical as well. Maybe even more so since scum are more careful not to "slip".

Let's assume you're town for a minute, rayn. Remember the Resistance game where you were town and I was scum? I was quite logical, constructive and widely townread (especially by you). You focused a lot on a couple of people like HTS who made bad arguments, even if they weren't overall really scummy (at least in my opinion).

So take Damdred for example. You've claimed that he hasn't been "smart" enough and that his question at the start didn't make sense. Even if both of those were true, neither make him scum (for the record, I agree that his question didn't make much sense, but it was just something of a discussion starter, and I think he's made several "smart" observations). Now a better reason might be something like that he's been a bit detached from both lynches. Even so, he's been posting a lot and clearly thinking about the game in terms of solving it. I'm willing to forgive some detachment for that. Especially since both Malongo and Eden have been pretty lurky and unexciting targets.

+ Show Spoiler +
I'm pushing my mental stamina not to mention a couple of new things I thought about rayn... it's not really relevant now anyway, and we'll know a lot more as time passed.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
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