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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 20 2017 12:39 GMT
#1396
There's probably at least 1 scum in those I townread though. Gut still says it's rayn even though I'm not completely sure if he would fakeclaim so easily.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 20 2017 12:42 GMT
#1398
Onegu - I started thinking he's more likely town sometime during N1. The way he posted about whatever topics and seemed to interact naturally with the thread at the time. Not a super strong read yet.

If Eden flipped town, I'd probably be more interested in rayn again - and maybe Tumble and/or others would need revisiting. Disfo's scum odds would rise significantly too.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 20 2017 12:43 GMT
#1401
On March 20 2017 21:41 Damdred wrote:
Rayn would fake claim as scum, he's done it before.

But I don't believe it here I don't think


It might be easier here though since scum always knows the setup... giving scum a large information advantage. But dunno
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 20 2017 12:47 GMT
#1403
On March 20 2017 21:43 Calix wrote:
Who are these 'others' Xatalos? Don't hold back.

I wasn't aware that you'd ever LOST interest in Rayn.

Why would a town!Eden -> rayn is mafia fake-claiming?


Town Eden would just increase the suspiciousness of other proof through POE.

I guess I never lost interest from the bottom of my heart

Others - perhaps Onegu... most everyone really. If we don't soon find scum, there's a serious mistake in some assumptions I've made.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 20 2017 12:49 GMT
#1405
AMG - thoughts on possible scum?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 20 2017 13:10 GMT
#1422
On March 20 2017 21:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2017 21:31 Xatalos wrote:
Tumble or rayn are probably not good lynches today.

Why do you not scumread Tumble anymore?


First of all I don't think he's scum if you're town, in which case it makes little sense to lynch him before you flip. Secondly Calix seems to really believe he's town, and I'm willing to give Tumble a slight pass for that reason as well.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 20 2017 13:11 GMT
#1423
On March 20 2017 21:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2017 06:48 Onegu wrote:
On March 20 2017 06:46 Xatalos wrote:
On March 20 2017 06:46 Onegu wrote:
hrmm ok... Guess I was wrong...

There was a better blue shot though. There was I think a very hard core blue claim.


I guess I know what you mean.


I know you know what I mean...

What is this. Onegu and Xatalos explain.


Better not to if the scumteam didn't get it.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 20 2017 13:13 GMT
#1427
On March 20 2017 22:01 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2017 19:52 beentheredonethat wrote:
  • 13 players
  • Semi-Open
  • All vanilla



New theory. BTDT decided to troll us hardcore and made everyone town. rayn is just fake-claiming to draw a shot.

QED


That makes zero sense. VT would never fakeclaim here, especially if widely scumread. It would likely expose the blues and heavily damage town.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 20 2017 13:15 GMT
#1429
On March 20 2017 22:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2017 22:11 Xatalos wrote:
On March 20 2017 21:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 20 2017 06:48 Onegu wrote:
On March 20 2017 06:46 Xatalos wrote:
On March 20 2017 06:46 Onegu wrote:
hrmm ok... Guess I was wrong...

There was a better blue shot though. There was I think a very hard core blue claim.


I guess I know what you mean.


I know you know what I mean...

What is this. Onegu and Xatalos explain.


Better not to if the scumteam didn't get it.

Better yes because you calling me mafia if fucking bullshit if you believe there is another blue "claim" somewhere there.


Explain?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 20 2017 13:17 GMT
#1432
For the record: I don't believe the maker of the claim is necessarily blue.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 20 2017 13:18 GMT
#1434
But I don't think it's good to talk about it at this point.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 20 2017 13:23 GMT
#1438
Btw I don't think rayn and Onegu are in a team. Otherwise rayn wouldn't go asking about that exchange between us like that ONL
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 20 2017 13:27 GMT
#1441
On March 20 2017 22:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like the thing townies do when someone claims is:
- They consider all possibilities and look at the night kill and see what makes sense.

What Xatalos does:
- "At least this kill makes the all vanilla setup less likely."
- "I think there is a blue out there" (with onegu)
- "wow rayn didn't say who he jailed" (why the fuck would i, it doesn't help the town at all)
- "As scum, he would know the setup. If there is no true JK, he can claim being roleblocked and push his agenda freely until LYLO." (DOES ANYONE SEE ANY PROBLEM WITH THIS???)
- "Now this is an all vanilla setup and rayn claimed to idk what reason but it makes totes sense!!!"

Doesn't even try to figure out what it means if i am town. Never. Just "here is why he is scum" -> "no it doesn't make sense, well here is a new scenario why he is scum" -> "no it doesn't make sense... [contunue]" while thinking there is another power role out there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

scummyscumscum


I haven't said I think there is a power role out there. Statistically it's more likely, but not certain.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 20 2017 13:29 GMT
#1444
On March 20 2017 22:27 Calix wrote:
I don't get how you spend more time calling rayn mafia than you do looking at, I dunno, disformation or Tweedledumb or any of your town-reads and asking them questions.

It's a massive waste of time on someone who is extremely likely town even though you think someone else claimed blue ???

You're not making any sense and it's just a bunch of crap.

As for rayn, I'd still like the explanation for why those posts = mafia disformation.


I guess I should let it slide for today already. It gets harder to resist every time rayn appears in the thread though.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 20 2017 13:31 GMT
#1447
On March 20 2017 22:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2017 22:27 Xatalos wrote:
On March 20 2017 22:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like the thing townies do when someone claims is:
- They consider all possibilities and look at the night kill and see what makes sense.

What Xatalos does:
- "At least this kill makes the all vanilla setup less likely."
- "I think there is a blue out there" (with onegu)
- "wow rayn didn't say who he jailed" (why the fuck would i, it doesn't help the town at all)
- "As scum, he would know the setup. If there is no true JK, he can claim being roleblocked and push his agenda freely until LYLO." (DOES ANYONE SEE ANY PROBLEM WITH THIS???)
- "Now this is an all vanilla setup and rayn claimed to idk what reason but it makes totes sense!!!"

Doesn't even try to figure out what it means if i am town. Never. Just "here is why he is scum" -> "no it doesn't make sense, well here is a new scenario why he is scum" -> "no it doesn't make sense... [contunue]" while thinking there is another power role out there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

scummyscumscum


I haven't said I think there is a power role out there. Statistically it's more likely, but not certain.

I thought it was statistically 5% that i am a power role so i guess the rest of 95% is all vanilla setup no?


1) You had around 5% chance of rolling JK, 30% scum, and I would scumread you without the claim, so the chance of being scum isn't "extremely low".

2) I said there is a claim-like post in the thread. I didn't say I believed it was from a blue necessarily.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 20 2017 13:32 GMT
#1449
On March 20 2017 22:31 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2017 22:29 Xatalos wrote:
On March 20 2017 22:27 Calix wrote:
I don't get how you spend more time calling rayn mafia than you do looking at, I dunno, disformation or Tweedledumb or any of your town-reads and asking them questions.

It's a massive waste of time on someone who is extremely likely town even though you think someone else claimed blue ???

You're not making any sense and it's just a bunch of crap.

As for rayn, I'd still like the explanation for why those posts = mafia disformation.


I guess I should let it slide for today already. It gets harder to resist every time rayn appears in the thread though.


Legit question. When was the last time that you took your own initiative and scum-hunted?

Yes, this question makes me a hypocrite but I don't care. Put a sock in it about how rayn's mafia in these implausible scenarios which are based on NOTHING and start talking about actual people, God.


rayn would get offended if he's not even an actual person
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 20 2017 13:40 GMT
#1452
On March 20 2017 22:36 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2017 22:32 Xatalos wrote:
On March 20 2017 22:31 Calix wrote:
On March 20 2017 22:29 Xatalos wrote:
On March 20 2017 22:27 Calix wrote:
I don't get how you spend more time calling rayn mafia than you do looking at, I dunno, disformation or Tweedledumb or any of your town-reads and asking them questions.

It's a massive waste of time on someone who is extremely likely town even though you think someone else claimed blue ???

You're not making any sense and it's just a bunch of crap.

As for rayn, I'd still like the explanation for why those posts = mafia disformation.


I guess I should let it slide for today already. It gets harder to resist every time rayn appears in the thread though.


Legit question. When was the last time that you took your own initiative and scum-hunted?

Yes, this question makes me a hypocrite but I don't care. Put a sock in it about how rayn's mafia in these implausible scenarios which are based on NOTHING and start talking about actual people, God.


rayn would get offended if he's not even an actual person


I carefully considered your suggestion that clogging up the chat with speculative claim wankery counts as 'scum-hunting' and then laughed and chucked it in the shredder.

Do something else please instead of being glib about your current anti-town behaviour


I don't see how it's anti-town to consider all options in the situation. It's a bit hard to read filters while on my phone so I focused on the main event.

POE points to the current wagon situation being good anyway. We'll have to see what AMG does and maybe reconsider then.

For the record, I think this claim-thingy has been vastly more important than yesterday's disfo-confusion.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 20 2017 13:43 GMT
#1455
On March 20 2017 22:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
I don't see how it's anti-town to consider all options in the situation.

It's not, except you're not considering all possibilities, you're only considering possibilities where i am mafia.


Am I voting for you in your reality?

Or listing you as a lynch candidate for that matter?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 20 2017 13:48 GMT
#1458
On March 20 2017 22:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2017 22:43 Xatalos wrote:
On March 20 2017 22:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't see how it's anti-town to consider all options in the situation.

It's not, except you're not considering all possibilities, you're only considering possibilities where i am mafia.


Am I voting for you in your reality?

Or listing you as a lynch candidate for that matter?

What a fucking comment once again....

I will counter with this:
Am i considering Malongo mafia?

Do i consider Damdred as lynch target rn?

You can't be fucking serious?!?!?!?


Did you miss where I said that you're more likely town than several others in the game? It's not like I'd shoot YOU if I had a gun. Just considering the chances of you being scum.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 20 2017 13:54 GMT
#1462
I would have claimed Vig immediately after my shot if I was one.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
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