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On January 07 2017 12:44 Onegu wrote:
Holy shit its your burden. No its your burden. That was 1 whole page.
I will give you why silverwolf is town.
Deal.
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On January 07 2017 12:43 SilverWolf77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 12:38 Grackaroni wrote:
Here's the deal. I've given reasoning for why I think Vivax is town. I've made it clear from the start that I'm not basing my read on any specific quotes and that for any case you could make for Silverwolf being town I could give a similar one for Vivax being town. My reads on the three of you are all for many of the same reasons.
You've listed silverwolf as town and given no reasoning whatsoever. You should be able to write a town case on Silver wolf and also refute me when I apply your reasoning on her to Vivax's posts. Nope, you have already stated you are townreading both myself and ika so there is no reason you need to see a case unless you disagree with the read or want a better one on ika. ika is asking you for a quote or two because he doesn't agree with your read and wants to understand it better, he also has not stated a townread on you and is scumreading Vivax You are antagonizing your townread and refusing to cooperate. If you don't want to elaborate on a read then just say you don't have a specific quote and be done with it.
I've said that a long time ago.
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On January 07 2017 12:53 ika42 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 12:50 reps)squishy wrote:On January 07 2017 12:43 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 07 2017 12:38 Grackaroni wrote:
Here's the deal. I've given reasoning for why I think Vivax is town. I've made it clear from the start that I'm not basing my read on any specific quotes and that for any case you could make for Silverwolf being town I could give a similar one for Vivax being town. My reads on the three of you are all for many of the same reasons.
You've listed silverwolf as town and given no reasoning whatsoever. You should be able to write a town case on Silver wolf and also refute me when I apply your reasoning on her to Vivax's posts. Nope, you have already stated you are townreading both myself and ika so there is no reason you need to see a case unless you disagree with the read or want a better one on ika. ika is asking you for a quote or two because he doesn't agree with your read and wants to understand it better, he also has not stated a townread on you and is scumreading Vivax You are antagonizing your townread and refusing to cooperate. If you don't want to elaborate on a read then just say you don't have a specific quote and be done with it.
Exactly! There is nothing wrong with "gut" feelings. But when it comes to good arguments versus "gut" feelings; I am going to choose the good argument. Litarly if he said his posts give him a "gut town read" none of this would happen but its not guts. He said the angles and his questioning so I am questioning that
The pushing angles I like thing is referring to him pushing Darthfoley. I liked that.
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On January 07 2017 12:40 reps)squishy wrote:[b]@Grackaroni/b] your evidence that Vivax was a townie was no different than just singling out his post like you can do here. Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 12:00 Grackaroni wrote:
If people want to lynch Vivax at the end of the day I will refute whatever arguments they put forth for him being scum and put forward my own arguments for whoever I want to lynch. I have suspicions of vivax nothing AI otherwise I would have voted. But a failure to show that he is a townie makes my suspicions grow. Do we honestly need to vote for Vivax for you to finally give evidence he is a townie?
Well it would help in that I would be responding to specific charges from people justifying why he is suspicious.
I don't view pressuring somebody as something that prevents other people from asking questions, so the whole case against him is void for me.
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On January 07 2017 12:47 Onegu wrote:
She is town because she was the first to call Boston out. And then the back and forth with Vivax doesnt come from scum. Never Never Never. More so in a newbie game as someone who never played with most of the people in this game.
Let me just point out that this does not satisfy the requirements set forth, that you have now failed to meet the burden of proof, and you are dodging the question entirely.
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On January 07 2017 13:09 SilverWolf77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 13:04 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 12:47 Onegu wrote:
She is town because she was the first to call Boston out. And then the back and forth with Vivax doesnt come from scum. Never Never Never. More so in a newbie game as someone who never played with most of the people in this game. Let me just point out that this does not satisfy the requirements set forth, that you have now failed to meet the burden of proof, and you are dodging the question entirely. Oh good luck with this. There is no one more stubborn than ika.
lol I already made that challenge.
On January 07 2017 12:13 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 12:11 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 12:07 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 12:05 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 12:03 Kmatt wrote:On January 07 2017 12:00 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 11:57 Kmatt wrote:On January 07 2017 11:54 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 11:53 Kmatt wrote:
And now that I'm caught up:
Grack, I don't know what you're trying to do here, but you're better off not. You can't just say "oh this guy is town" and then refuse to explain the read in detail. As counter-intuitive as it sounds, that's more scummy than having a scumread you won't elaborate.
If it makes you feel better I'm not going to write such a post on ika or Silverwolf either. Even though I'm pretty sure they both are as well. No...? It really doesn't. If anything you're looking scummier by the minute. What is the endgame here? What happens when people want to vote on your townreads and vice versa? You don't stand to gain anything through this backwards logic. If people want to lynch Vivax at the end of the day I will refute whatever arguments they put forth for him being scum and put forward my own arguments for whoever I want to lynch. You can already do that. Right now. There is a limit to how much BotD I'm willing to give. Its kinda funny that he cant even refute my argument that he has a fabricated read on him right now. Perhaps your read on Silverwolf is fabricated. If you check the filters you will see that I have given more reasoning on Vivax than you have given on Silverwolf. Lol Want to show the quotes that prove that what you are saying is true? I mean you were town reading me last iirc so am i now scum or something? I'm more stubborn than you. You're not going to get any town case until you write your own town case. I'm not sure why you won't it would prove my point much more quickly.
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On January 07 2017 13:12 ika42 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 13:11 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 13:09 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 07 2017 13:04 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 12:47 Onegu wrote:
She is town because she was the first to call Boston out. And then the back and forth with Vivax doesnt come from scum. Never Never Never. More so in a newbie game as someone who never played with most of the people in this game. Let me just point out that this does not satisfy the requirements set forth, that you have now failed to meet the burden of proof, and you are dodging the question entirely. Oh good luck with this. There is no one more stubborn than ika. lol I already made that challenge. On January 07 2017 12:13 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 12:11 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 12:07 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 12:05 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 12:03 Kmatt wrote:On January 07 2017 12:00 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 11:57 Kmatt wrote:On January 07 2017 11:54 Grackaroni wrote:
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If it makes you feel better I'm not going to write such a post on ika or Silverwolf either. Even though I'm pretty sure they both are as well. No...? It really doesn't. If anything you're looking scummier by the minute. What is the endgame here? What happens when people want to vote on your townreads and vice versa? You don't stand to gain anything through this backwards logic. If people want to lynch Vivax at the end of the day I will refute whatever arguments they put forth for him being scum and put forward my own arguments for whoever I want to lynch. You can already do that. Right now. There is a limit to how much BotD I'm willing to give. Its kinda funny that he cant even refute my argument that he has a fabricated read on him right now. Perhaps your read on Silverwolf is fabricated. If you check the filters you will see that I have given more reasoning on Vivax than you have given on Silverwolf. Lol Want to show the quotes that prove that what you are saying is true? I mean you were town reading me last iirc so am i now scum or something? I'm more stubborn than you. You're not going to get any town case until you write your own town case. I'm not sure why you won't it would prove my point much more quickly. You realize that your stubbonness, if town, is super anti-town?
Only when matched with equal stubbornness
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On January 07 2017 13:13 SilverWolf77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 12:49 Onegu wrote:On January 07 2017 12:47 SilverWolf77 wrote:
Also, asking a person to prove they are town is the crappiest play out there as no one needs to prove that. If they are town they show it with their posting. If they can't, then they get lynched. It's as simple as that.
No I am town because I claimed VT... Yeah, I don't see scum making this post to be honest or claiming VT out of the gate.
I don't know whether this is serious or not but Onegu has done that in a lot of his games. It's not alignment specific for him.
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On January 07 2017 13:15 reps)squishy wrote:
##Vote Grackaroni
a utter failure to defend his town lead. Deliberate intent to derail the conversation from leads to who has burden of proof. I do not care who has burden of proof better arguments and evidence wins.
That's a lie. I body blocked him with my own life.
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On January 07 2017 13:16 ika42 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 13:13 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 13:12 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 13:11 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 13:09 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 07 2017 13:04 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 12:47 Onegu wrote:
She is town because she was the first to call Boston out. And then the back and forth with Vivax doesnt come from scum. Never Never Never. More so in a newbie game as someone who never played with most of the people in this game. Let me just point out that this does not satisfy the requirements set forth, that you have now failed to meet the burden of proof, and you are dodging the question entirely. Oh good luck with this. There is no one more stubborn than ika. lol I already made that challenge. On January 07 2017 12:13 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 12:11 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 12:07 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 12:05 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 12:03 Kmatt wrote:On January 07 2017 12:00 Grackaroni wrote:
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If people want to lynch Vivax at the end of the day I will refute whatever arguments they put forth for him being scum and put forward my own arguments for whoever I want to lynch. You can already do that. Right now. There is a limit to how much BotD I'm willing to give. Its kinda funny that he cant even refute my argument that he has a fabricated read on him right now. Perhaps your read on Silverwolf is fabricated. If you check the filters you will see that I have given more reasoning on Vivax than you have given on Silverwolf. Lol Want to show the quotes that prove that what you are saying is true? I mean you were town reading me last iirc so am i now scum or something? I'm more stubborn than you. You're not going to get any town case until you write your own town case. I'm not sure why you won't it would prove my point much more quickly. You realize that your stubbonness, if town, is super anti-town? Only when matched with equal stubbornness its the one who first refuses is at fault.
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On January 07 2017 13:23 SilverWolf77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 13:15 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 13:13 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 07 2017 12:49 Onegu wrote:On January 07 2017 12:47 SilverWolf77 wrote:
Also, asking a person to prove they are town is the crappiest play out there as no one needs to prove that. If they are town they show it with their posting. If they can't, then they get lynched. It's as simple as that.
No I am town because I claimed VT... Yeah, I don't see scum making this post to be honest or claiming VT out of the gate. I don't know whether this is serious or not but Onegu has done that in a lot of his games. It's not alignment specific for him. Can you show me where he's done it as scum? I've found this more often comes from town than scum.
Use this:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/390080-tl-mafia-database
I checked the bottom 3 scum games excluding the pick your power one because that one revolves around people not being VT. It seems like he claims VT in every game.
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Calix is going to laugh when she sees this. Then she's going to be all smug.
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On January 08 2017 02:14 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 02:08 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 21:58 Calix wrote:On January 07 2017 10:09 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 10:02 ika42 wrote:
so now that im caught up heres my read list that i have compiled
1) reps)squishy - sligth town
2) Kmatt - slight town
3) MichaelEhrmantraut - lean scum
4) ika42 -town
5) SilverWolf77 - town
6) B0stonSC - -null
Vets
1) beentheredonethat - null
2) Grackaroni- null
3) KelsierSC - scum
4) Onegu - claims VT
5) darthfoley - town lean
6) Calix -null
7) Vivax - scum lean
i have way too many nulls for my liking overall. updated after running iso on the newbs im gonna get food bbl Why is Boston a null to you? Speaking more generally to you and DF, what's the rationale behind voting for KSC? I found DF's post to be interesting as an observation but I wouldn't vote for KSC based on that. Meanwhile I'm not seeing why you think KSC is scum or much talk about him from you. You call out Grack for not trying to convince people to lynch his scum-reads but you're being unclear with your KSC scum-read also. I think KSC's wagon is the most pure atm so pls explain where you're coming from in more detail. On January 07 2017 10:59 Grackaroni wrote:
Ika please prove to me that you are not scum. As for the Grack thing, this was the initial response. Another example of snarky responses to reasonable questions. I fail to see town motivation for being stubborn for the sake of it when it comes to explaining a town-read that nobody agrees with. He later claims that he thinks the entire thing is stupid but given that he helped fuel the argument into a 5-page fiasco, that reasoning looks fake to me. People who think things are stupid don't continue to focus on the stupid thing when they could spend their time better on something more productive or just leave the thread. On January 07 2017 11:21 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 11:19 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 11:05 Grackaroni wrote:
Which of your posts are townie? Can you tell me why they are townie? Love the avoiding of my question and instead deflect it back to me. It goes straight to the heart of the question. If you cannot quote some posts to prove yourself town to me then surely I cannot do so to convince you that Vivax is town I've already given an answer that I find satisfactory. I like the effort he's putting into the game. I like the angles that he's pushing. I like his attitude and response to being pressured. Grack's later argument here, which I am inferring to be that explaining town-reads is pointless because it won't convince people, would be fine taken by itself. However when I look at his filter, it doesn't fit. Firstly, his filter has a load of town-reads in it and few scum-reads (and the two scum-reads he has suck because they don't show actual scum motivation). If he doesn't think that explaining town-reads will convince people then why would he spend so much time posting about them? Secondly, what's the point of saying "I'll explain my read once you've explained your town-read on SW" when he doesn't think that he can convince people of his read anyway and doesn't scum-read SW? Poor priorities at best, busywork at worst. Given everything else, I don't think he really believes what he's posting here. Thirdly, his filter is a lot worse than I thought it was going to be. Most of it is devoted to the argument and his posts before that were weak town-reads and off-topic posts which don't do anything. I would vote for him over Vivax since Vivax was at least pushing the game forward when he was here while Grack hasn't. As for Boston, my reads here still apply so I'd like people to talk about him more before he comes back as the Grack argument sucked the air out of the room in terms of discussion focus. + Show Spoiler +On January 06 2017 15:53 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 11:48 B0stonSC wrote:
Hello! Sorry, hadn't realized this has started. Let me read through everything, and then I'll post thoughts This post pings me but I can't really figure out why. Like he posts this 2-4 hours-ish into the game and starts off by apologising for not being around here earlier which is pretty weird for town to do. I can't imagine myself saying sorry for something as a first post kind of deal so I don't get why he would is what I'm getting at. On January 07 2017 07:28 Calix wrote:
Boston is just in his own little world, detached from the thread and floating by without a single fuck given for all the other stuff going on. His entrance was terrible and his follow-up just reinforces my read. He is too hung up on a player who hasn't DONE anything and is relatively inactive with no reason given and doesn't talk about anything else. Furthermore, he's not actually following through on his Onegu read or vote with anything substantial or trying to convince people or caring much. He's just there.
If we're going for someone low-activity then this is the most likely to hit scum atm.
##vote B0stonSC I said it earlier on why i scum read him. I dunno the post but what pinged me off was the bolded On January 06 2017 10:59 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 10:57 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 10:55 KelsierSC wrote:
so how you reading ika atm? Slight townread based on posting the questions to get us talking and his activity and interest in the game so far. But he may be just copying his town meta so I'm keeping an eye on him still. yeh...like if i was you that is what I would be thinking if I was town. i have to go into work tomorrow unfortunately but only for like 1hr so should be on tomorrow. I know it seems like i've just been jerking off in the thread, and whilst this is true I think Calix, silver and ika are probably town and everyone else is kind of blegh. Grak is mafia though, im pretty happy with my vote at the moment. he gives implications that he himself is not town when referring to it in general. bost i had as town at first but then saw it was the one you were gut reading and i agreed on and after running an iso, i would vote it in a heatbeat becasue of the over abundance of excuses. Silverwolf does this a lot as scum and i have seen countless games of this crap done by scum Good catch with KSC. I hesitate to call it a scum slip (as most of those tend to be wrong FME) but it shows a detached mentality for sure.
What do you mean about a detached mentality Calix?
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On January 08 2017 03:09 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 02:57 Grackaroni wrote:On January 08 2017 02:14 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 02:08 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 21:58 Calix wrote:On January 07 2017 10:09 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 10:02 ika42 wrote:
so now that im caught up heres my read list that i have compiled
1) reps)squishy - sligth town
2) Kmatt - slight town
3) MichaelEhrmantraut - lean scum
4) ika42 -town
5) SilverWolf77 - town
6) B0stonSC - -null
Vets
1) beentheredonethat - null
2) Grackaroni- null
3) KelsierSC - scum
4) Onegu - claims VT
5) darthfoley - town lean
6) Calix -null
7) Vivax - scum lean
i have way too many nulls for my liking overall. updated after running iso on the newbs im gonna get food bbl Why is Boston a null to you? Speaking more generally to you and DF, what's the rationale behind voting for KSC? I found DF's post to be interesting as an observation but I wouldn't vote for KSC based on that. Meanwhile I'm not seeing why you think KSC is scum or much talk about him from you. You call out Grack for not trying to convince people to lynch his scum-reads but you're being unclear with your KSC scum-read also. I think KSC's wagon is the most pure atm so pls explain where you're coming from in more detail. On January 07 2017 10:59 Grackaroni wrote:
Ika please prove to me that you are not scum. As for the Grack thing, this was the initial response. Another example of snarky responses to reasonable questions. I fail to see town motivation for being stubborn for the sake of it when it comes to explaining a town-read that nobody agrees with. He later claims that he thinks the entire thing is stupid but given that he helped fuel the argument into a 5-page fiasco, that reasoning looks fake to me. People who think things are stupid don't continue to focus on the stupid thing when they could spend their time better on something more productive or just leave the thread. On January 07 2017 11:21 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 11:19 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 11:05 Grackaroni wrote:
Which of your posts are townie? Can you tell me why they are townie? Love the avoiding of my question and instead deflect it back to me. It goes straight to the heart of the question. If you cannot quote some posts to prove yourself town to me then surely I cannot do so to convince you that Vivax is town I've already given an answer that I find satisfactory. I like the effort he's putting into the game. I like the angles that he's pushing. I like his attitude and response to being pressured. Grack's later argument here, which I am inferring to be that explaining town-reads is pointless because it won't convince people, would be fine taken by itself. However when I look at his filter, it doesn't fit. Firstly, his filter has a load of town-reads in it and few scum-reads (and the two scum-reads he has suck because they don't show actual scum motivation). If he doesn't think that explaining town-reads will convince people then why would he spend so much time posting about them? Secondly, what's the point of saying "I'll explain my read once you've explained your town-read on SW" when he doesn't think that he can convince people of his read anyway and doesn't scum-read SW? Poor priorities at best, busywork at worst. Given everything else, I don't think he really believes what he's posting here. Thirdly, his filter is a lot worse than I thought it was going to be. Most of it is devoted to the argument and his posts before that were weak town-reads and off-topic posts which don't do anything. I would vote for him over Vivax since Vivax was at least pushing the game forward when he was here while Grack hasn't. As for Boston, my reads here still apply so I'd like people to talk about him more before he comes back as the Grack argument sucked the air out of the room in terms of discussion focus. + Show Spoiler +On January 06 2017 15:53 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 11:48 B0stonSC wrote:
Hello! Sorry, hadn't realized this has started. Let me read through everything, and then I'll post thoughts This post pings me but I can't really figure out why. Like he posts this 2-4 hours-ish into the game and starts off by apologising for not being around here earlier which is pretty weird for town to do. I can't imagine myself saying sorry for something as a first post kind of deal so I don't get why he would is what I'm getting at. On January 07 2017 07:28 Calix wrote:
Boston is just in his own little world, detached from the thread and floating by without a single fuck given for all the other stuff going on. His entrance was terrible and his follow-up just reinforces my read. He is too hung up on a player who hasn't DONE anything and is relatively inactive with no reason given and doesn't talk about anything else. Furthermore, he's not actually following through on his Onegu read or vote with anything substantial or trying to convince people or caring much. He's just there.
If we're going for someone low-activity then this is the most likely to hit scum atm.
##vote B0stonSC I said it earlier on why i scum read him. I dunno the post but what pinged me off was the bolded On January 06 2017 10:59 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 10:57 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 10:55 KelsierSC wrote:
so how you reading ika atm? Slight townread based on posting the questions to get us talking and his activity and interest in the game so far. But he may be just copying his town meta so I'm keeping an eye on him still. yeh...like if i was you that is what I would be thinking if I was town. i have to go into work tomorrow unfortunately but only for like 1hr so should be on tomorrow. I know it seems like i've just been jerking off in the thread, and whilst this is true I think Calix, silver and ika are probably town and everyone else is kind of blegh. Grak is mafia though, im pretty happy with my vote at the moment. he gives implications that he himself is not town when referring to it in general. bost i had as town at first but then saw it was the one you were gut reading and i agreed on and after running an iso, i would vote it in a heatbeat becasue of the over abundance of excuses. Silverwolf does this a lot as scum and i have seen countless games of this crap done by scum Good catch with KSC. I hesitate to call it a scum slip (as most of those tend to be wrong FME) but it shows a detached mentality for sure. What do you mean about a detached mentality Calix? The way he phrased his opinion with "if I was town" is detached is what I mean there. Seems like a cold observation more than an opinion in terms of tone, if that makes sense.
He said that that's what he would be thinking if he was ika, and then he added the if I was town i.e. if ika was town.
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On January 08 2017 03:15 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 03:12 Grackaroni wrote:On January 08 2017 03:09 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 02:57 Grackaroni wrote:On January 08 2017 02:14 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 02:08 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 21:58 Calix wrote:On January 07 2017 10:09 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 10:02 ika42 wrote:
so now that im caught up heres my read list that i have compiled
1) reps)squishy - sligth town
2) Kmatt - slight town
3) MichaelEhrmantraut - lean scum
4) ika42 -town
5) SilverWolf77 - town
6) B0stonSC - -null
Vets
1) beentheredonethat - null
2) Grackaroni- null
3) KelsierSC - scum
4) Onegu - claims VT
5) darthfoley - town lean
6) Calix -null
7) Vivax - scum lean
i have way too many nulls for my liking overall. updated after running iso on the newbs im gonna get food bbl Why is Boston a null to you? Speaking more generally to you and DF, what's the rationale behind voting for KSC? I found DF's post to be interesting as an observation but I wouldn't vote for KSC based on that. Meanwhile I'm not seeing why you think KSC is scum or much talk about him from you. You call out Grack for not trying to convince people to lynch his scum-reads but you're being unclear with your KSC scum-read also. I think KSC's wagon is the most pure atm so pls explain where you're coming from in more detail. On January 07 2017 10:59 Grackaroni wrote:
Ika please prove to me that you are not scum. As for the Grack thing, this was the initial response. Another example of snarky responses to reasonable questions. I fail to see town motivation for being stubborn for the sake of it when it comes to explaining a town-read that nobody agrees with. He later claims that he thinks the entire thing is stupid but given that he helped fuel the argument into a 5-page fiasco, that reasoning looks fake to me. People who think things are stupid don't continue to focus on the stupid thing when they could spend their time better on something more productive or just leave the thread. On January 07 2017 11:21 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 11:19 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 11:05 Grackaroni wrote:
Which of your posts are townie? Can you tell me why they are townie? Love the avoiding of my question and instead deflect it back to me. It goes straight to the heart of the question. If you cannot quote some posts to prove yourself town to me then surely I cannot do so to convince you that Vivax is town I've already given an answer that I find satisfactory. I like the effort he's putting into the game. I like the angles that he's pushing. I like his attitude and response to being pressured. Grack's later argument here, which I am inferring to be that explaining town-reads is pointless because it won't convince people, would be fine taken by itself. However when I look at his filter, it doesn't fit. Firstly, his filter has a load of town-reads in it and few scum-reads (and the two scum-reads he has suck because they don't show actual scum motivation). If he doesn't think that explaining town-reads will convince people then why would he spend so much time posting about them? Secondly, what's the point of saying "I'll explain my read once you've explained your town-read on SW" when he doesn't think that he can convince people of his read anyway and doesn't scum-read SW? Poor priorities at best, busywork at worst. Given everything else, I don't think he really believes what he's posting here. Thirdly, his filter is a lot worse than I thought it was going to be. Most of it is devoted to the argument and his posts before that were weak town-reads and off-topic posts which don't do anything. I would vote for him over Vivax since Vivax was at least pushing the game forward when he was here while Grack hasn't. As for Boston, my reads here still apply so I'd like people to talk about him more before he comes back as the Grack argument sucked the air out of the room in terms of discussion focus. + Show Spoiler +On January 06 2017 15:53 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 11:48 B0stonSC wrote:
Hello! Sorry, hadn't realized this has started. Let me read through everything, and then I'll post thoughts This post pings me but I can't really figure out why. Like he posts this 2-4 hours-ish into the game and starts off by apologising for not being around here earlier which is pretty weird for town to do. I can't imagine myself saying sorry for something as a first post kind of deal so I don't get why he would is what I'm getting at. On January 07 2017 07:28 Calix wrote:
Boston is just in his own little world, detached from the thread and floating by without a single fuck given for all the other stuff going on. His entrance was terrible and his follow-up just reinforces my read. He is too hung up on a player who hasn't DONE anything and is relatively inactive with no reason given and doesn't talk about anything else. Furthermore, he's not actually following through on his Onegu read or vote with anything substantial or trying to convince people or caring much. He's just there.
If we're going for someone low-activity then this is the most likely to hit scum atm.
##vote B0stonSC I said it earlier on why i scum read him. I dunno the post but what pinged me off was the bolded On January 06 2017 10:59 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 10:57 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 10:55 KelsierSC wrote:
so how you reading ika atm? Slight townread based on posting the questions to get us talking and his activity and interest in the game so far. But he may be just copying his town meta so I'm keeping an eye on him still. yeh...like if i was you that is what I would be thinking if I was town. i have to go into work tomorrow unfortunately but only for like 1hr so should be on tomorrow. I know it seems like i've just been jerking off in the thread, and whilst this is true I think Calix, silver and ika are probably town and everyone else is kind of blegh. Grak is mafia though, im pretty happy with my vote at the moment. he gives implications that he himself is not town when referring to it in general. bost i had as town at first but then saw it was the one you were gut reading and i agreed on and after running an iso, i would vote it in a heatbeat becasue of the over abundance of excuses. Silverwolf does this a lot as scum and i have seen countless games of this crap done by scum Good catch with KSC. I hesitate to call it a scum slip (as most of those tend to be wrong FME) but it shows a detached mentality for sure. What do you mean about a detached mentality Calix? The way he phrased his opinion with "if I was town" is detached is what I mean there. Seems like a cold observation more than an opinion in terms of tone, if that makes sense. He said that that's what he would be thinking if he was ika, and then he added the if I was town i.e. if ika was town. What? KSC says "if I was town" which is using the first person - how does that refer to ika?
"If I was you that's what I would be thinking if I was town"
If he was in ika's shoes and he was town then that is what he would be thinking. The first part of the sentence is the reason why it looks detached or w/e.
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I don't have much time left to figure out this game because I think I will very likely be lynched. I'll try to leave some reads before then.
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On January 08 2017 03:16 Vivax wrote:
Sorry, back with a hungover, had my postponed bday party yesterday.
I don't think we should lynch Grack today, but I'm going to take a look at the arguments against him.
It's because I annoyed a bunch of people.
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On January 08 2017 03:21 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 03:19 Grackaroni wrote:On January 08 2017 03:15 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 03:12 Grackaroni wrote:On January 08 2017 03:09 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 02:57 Grackaroni wrote:On January 08 2017 02:14 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 02:08 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 21:58 Calix wrote:On January 07 2017 10:09 ika42 wrote:
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updated after running iso on the newbs
im gonna get food bbl Why is Boston a null to you? Speaking more generally to you and DF, what's the rationale behind voting for KSC? I found DF's post to be interesting as an observation but I wouldn't vote for KSC based on that. Meanwhile I'm not seeing why you think KSC is scum or much talk about him from you. You call out Grack for not trying to convince people to lynch his scum-reads but you're being unclear with your KSC scum-read also. I think KSC's wagon is the most pure atm so pls explain where you're coming from in more detail. On January 07 2017 10:59 Grackaroni wrote:
Ika please prove to me that you are not scum. As for the Grack thing, this was the initial response. Another example of snarky responses to reasonable questions. I fail to see town motivation for being stubborn for the sake of it when it comes to explaining a town-read that nobody agrees with. He later claims that he thinks the entire thing is stupid but given that he helped fuel the argument into a 5-page fiasco, that reasoning looks fake to me. People who think things are stupid don't continue to focus on the stupid thing when they could spend their time better on something more productive or just leave the thread. On January 07 2017 11:21 Grackaroni wrote:
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It goes straight to the heart of the question. If you cannot quote some posts to prove yourself town to me then surely I cannot do so to convince you that Vivax is town
I've already given an answer that I find satisfactory. I like the effort he's putting into the game. I like the angles that he's pushing. I like his attitude and response to being pressured. Grack's later argument here, which I am inferring to be that explaining town-reads is pointless because it won't convince people, would be fine taken by itself. However when I look at his filter, it doesn't fit. Firstly, his filter has a load of town-reads in it and few scum-reads (and the two scum-reads he has suck because they don't show actual scum motivation). If he doesn't think that explaining town-reads will convince people then why would he spend so much time posting about them? Secondly, what's the point of saying "I'll explain my read once you've explained your town-read on SW" when he doesn't think that he can convince people of his read anyway and doesn't scum-read SW? Poor priorities at best, busywork at worst. Given everything else, I don't think he really believes what he's posting here. Thirdly, his filter is a lot worse than I thought it was going to be. Most of it is devoted to the argument and his posts before that were weak town-reads and off-topic posts which don't do anything. I would vote for him over Vivax since Vivax was at least pushing the game forward when he was here while Grack hasn't. As for Boston, my reads here still apply so I'd like people to talk about him more before he comes back as the Grack argument sucked the air out of the room in terms of discussion focus. + Show Spoiler +On January 06 2017 15:53 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 11:48 B0stonSC wrote:
Hello! Sorry, hadn't realized this has started. Let me read through everything, and then I'll post thoughts This post pings me but I can't really figure out why. Like he posts this 2-4 hours-ish into the game and starts off by apologising for not being around here earlier which is pretty weird for town to do. I can't imagine myself saying sorry for something as a first post kind of deal so I don't get why he would is what I'm getting at. On January 07 2017 07:28 Calix wrote:
Boston is just in his own little world, detached from the thread and floating by without a single fuck given for all the other stuff going on. His entrance was terrible and his follow-up just reinforces my read. He is too hung up on a player who hasn't DONE anything and is relatively inactive with no reason given and doesn't talk about anything else. Furthermore, he's not actually following through on his Onegu read or vote with anything substantial or trying to convince people or caring much. He's just there.
If we're going for someone low-activity then this is the most likely to hit scum atm.
##vote B0stonSC I said it earlier on why i scum read him. I dunno the post but what pinged me off was the bolded On January 06 2017 10:59 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 10:57 SilverWolf77 wrote:
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Slight townread based on posting the questions to get us talking and his activity and interest in the game so far. But he may be just copying his town meta so I'm keeping an eye on him still.
yeh...like if i was you that is what I would be thinking if I was town. i have to go into work tomorrow unfortunately but only for like 1hr so should be on tomorrow. I know it seems like i've just been jerking off in the thread, and whilst this is true I think Calix, silver and ika are probably town and everyone else is kind of blegh. Grak is mafia though, im pretty happy with my vote at the moment. he gives implications that he himself is not town when referring to it in general. bost i had as town at first but then saw it was the one you were gut reading and i agreed on and after running an iso, i would vote it in a heatbeat becasue of the over abundance of excuses. Silverwolf does this a lot as scum and i have seen countless games of this crap done by scum Good catch with KSC. I hesitate to call it a scum slip (as most of those tend to be wrong FME) but it shows a detached mentality for sure. What do you mean about a detached mentality Calix? The way he phrased his opinion with "if I was town" is detached is what I mean there. Seems like a cold observation more than an opinion in terms of tone, if that makes sense. He said that that's what he would be thinking if he was ika, and then he added the if I was town i.e. if ika was town. What? KSC says "if I was town" which is using the first person - how does that refer to ika? " If I was you that's what I would be thinking if I was town" If he was in ika's shoes and he was town then that is what he would be thinking. The first part of the sentence is the reason why it looks detached or w/e. I'm still not seeing it. KSC might be referring to SW (who he is responding to) with that part but ika? No.
Oh then SW.
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On January 08 2017 03:23 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 03:22 Grackaroni wrote:On January 08 2017 03:16 Vivax wrote:
Sorry, back with a hungover, had my postponed bday party yesterday.
I don't think we should lynch Grack today, but I'm going to take a look at the arguments against him. It's because I annoyed a bunch of people. Yes I have noticed it too that some people here will lynch you if they think you are snarky or whatever. I thought I signed up for mafia.
lol I wasn't even trying to be snarky just for the sake of being snarky. I was trying to prove a point! Some filters have just overall seemed townie and he didn't like that one of those filters was the one that he was scum reading.
I also would have been able to prove my point but instead I got responses like:
Nice dodge
The burden of proof is on you
Nice try
The burden of proof is on you
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On January 08 2017 03:23 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 03:22 Grackaroni wrote:On January 08 2017 03:16 Vivax wrote:
Sorry, back with a hungover, had my postponed bday party yesterday.
I don't think we should lynch Grack today, but I'm going to take a look at the arguments against him. It's because I annoyed a bunch of people. Basically. Who do you want to lynch grack?
I'm a little bit weary of this Boston lynch.
The way the thread is running overall worries me. It's a little bit of a hivemind where one person gets knocked down by ika/SW and then everyone coalesces on that person.
Right now I'm thinking about ME or Onegu and that's very likely to change before lynch time. I also still think you could be scum even though you are one of the ones defending me but that's not something I want to pursue today.
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