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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 19 2016 19:18 GMT
#224
conclusion about what?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 19 2016 19:26 GMT
#232
On December 20 2016 04:22 Kmatt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2016 04:18 Holyflare wrote:
conclusion about what?


You asked about why I felt that way, I answered, and you started posting memes. I'm not saying you have to push it but I'd like to hear that conversation through.


I was placated by your answer, there's your conclusion.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 19 2016 19:28 GMT
#233
On December 20 2016 04:22 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2016 04:14 Holyflare wrote:
disfo did you think those things about exo at the time or just now?

This post:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2016 02:28 disformation wrote:
Reread this twice, but I am getting confused.
@ExO_
Recap your reads please: do you think Kmatt (and to an lesser extend koshi?) are scum/scummy or not?
Who should think who is suspcious/not suspicious?

and yeah I think I would prefer small words n stuff :p

was me being super confused about what exo's actual reads and thoughts behind bringing me up where.


yeah, that's what I thought

but this post was followed by this post:

On December 20 2016 02:59 disformation wrote:
having the problem that I dont think anyone is particular scummy atm.

somewhat iffy about hf, but super biased here. just think his earlier reasons to sr read me where really reaching and lukewarm. most recent ones are decent though.

exo is not looking hot at all, but I want so see him calm down a bit and post some legit reads.


so what I'm feeling weird about is that you don't have any scum reads on anybody but then come out to scum reading exo and making that big post on him

why didn't you just post this in the first place instead of holding things back and playing coy with people's reads on you?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 19 2016 19:30 GMT
#236
On December 20 2016 04:28 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2016 04:24 Koshi wrote:
On December 20 2016 04:19 disformation wrote:
On December 20 2016 04:18 Koshi wrote:
On December 20 2016 04:15 disformation wrote:
good point I prop should look at him again anyways.
cause I have like no scum reads and a bunch of ppl I don't want to lynch.

like i dont want to lynch hf, kmatt, ls and koshi.
me is town.
I like the latest batch of slam posts.

by pure poe i am down to rels, exo and sl.

Why is slam out of your PoE?

I hope it is a really good reason.

Probably not. :D
Liked this post:
On December 20 2016 03:31 Alakaslam wrote:
On December 20 2016 01:18 Kmatt wrote:
I didn't have much weight in SL's post having much meaning, just wanted to "explain the joke". No one would obviously scumslip that easily (at least not by accident) so I don't find anything scummy on him. Town enough for now.

LS seems town. Nothing groundbreaking but certainly nothing damning out of him.

I was ready to unvote ExO_ if he came in with some good responses (obviously we all sleep, not a huge deal) but from seeing his kneejerk reaction to me pointing a finger and nothing else makes me more confident in my call.

Alakaslam/Koshi/Holyflame are still ambiguous. I have to go take a final so I'll be back later.

Lol why am I in this list I may as well have been inactive


Yeah your reasoning is terrible. It's not because it is slam you shouldn't hold him to a high standard.
Everything slam did is well within his scum meta. It is not because he is simpler to understand this game that he is town. That's not how it works. Pretty easy post for scum!slam to make.

fair enough.
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2016 04:10 Holyflare wrote:
What I want to know though is why you gave SL a free town read for posting. If he had only posted his 0-1 other lines of posts do you think he would have started to be scum read instead?

If I remove those lines he has like 0 filter, so he would be in the land of "didnt do jack so far".


also in regards to this, you posted:

on SL:
His opening + kmatt vote is very wifomy. It kinda boils down to: "would he post this kinda stuff as scum" and is as such not very AI.
BUT consider the timing: the thread was super dead at the time he posted that. is scum interested in revitalizing a dead thread by posting controversial/interesting stuff? not really.
so I think it makes him slightly more town than scum.


now that you#ve admitted that it would be in the lands of 0 content and nothing happening, why do you equate that activity to a town lean rather than someone being forced to post minimal 0 content to appear active?

it's a weird conclusion leap and that's particularly why I didn't like it
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 19 2016 19:40 GMT
#239
but that point hasn't changed since when you posted, sicklucker posted that comment and left and that was ages before you made your comment
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 19 2016 21:35 GMT
#258
it ain't running during christmas
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 19 2016 21:42 GMT
#261
why are you so self defeatist this game disfo?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 20 2016 10:29 GMT
#336
What an arse backwards conclusion.

Disfo posted an exo post with no conclusion

Disfo said he thought about all the points he posted before his dinner and at the time he was talking to exo

Disfo had NO STANCE on exo or anything of value to post prior to being called out.

Disfo posts that he thinks exo might be mafia after:
Already "knowing" what he was gonna write
Saying he didn't think anyone was mafia
Being called out


So, not only did he "withold" information (I'd argue it was forced into existence after he got called out) but he made no real conclusion.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 20 2016 10:32 GMT
#338
Also exo's appeal to emotion is not doing it for me. There should be a wall of text on disformation there instead. Disformation has done everything exo should be calling him mafia for, the confirmation bias should be extremely strong.

But appealing to emotion instead....
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 20 2016 11:04 GMT
#366
I see slam making too much sense, too mamy good posts and it makes me want to lynch him too :p
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 20 2016 12:46 GMT
#423
This is boring.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 20 2016 12:54 GMT
#424
I just want to lynch into sl/exo/disfo and most likely win. I think exo's appeal to emotion into 0 reads is bs and opportunistic and he should be voted. I think SL's posts are terrible and his mindmeld bs is either made up or just makes rels town. I don't like his berating of koshi despite saying that koshi is doing what he does every game. I think disfo is extremely self-defeatist, doesn't post things that chronologically make sense and even points out his own mistakes which suggests a hyper awareness of his faults which is scummy. Much more used to post anything and everything disfo.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 20 2016 12:55 GMT
#425
Annoyingly since this is majority too it's gonna be tough if exo posts something that actually makes sense closer to deadline. So, exo, if you're town you have to actually play the game now and make reads because anything nearer deadline is crazy opportunistic and bad.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 20 2016 13:03 GMT
#427
On December 20 2016 20:08 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2016 18:45 Rels wrote:
Kmatt might be townier that I thought. I didn't like his early posts but that's because I didn't understand the logic. The rest of his filter is pretty natural, especially on exo, and I don't remember Kmatt being a good scum in the last game he played. I will have to reread it at some point to verify that thought.

He got nominated as bestest newcomer for his last scum game by kitaman27 if I recall correctly.

On December 20 2016 21:03 disformation wrote:
But I like your points on Kmatt. It is something to keep in mind for later.

On December 20 2016 20:44 disformation wrote:
And TBH really the two scums are in ExO_, SL, Rels, Slam.


The thing I don't like about disfo is that he's seemingly keeping his options open and weakening other people's town reads but then stating a list that doesn't even contain kmatt in it. I feel like it's also opportunistic.

On December 20 2016 21:18 disformation wrote:
So. There was a recent game where exo was lynched D1 as VT.
Link to his filter

First post he claims VT.
Gets voted by Calix for that.
Immediately OMGUSES Calix.

Then he starts to actually play the game.
As the time for the lynch approaches:
+ Show Spoiler +
On November 05 2016 01:19 ExO_ wrote:
I just woke up, and I have to run errands. I'll probably be back before EoD but I can't swear to it. What I will say is this:

I came into the thread just saying whatever I felt like. It's how I always play town. I don't try to carefully construct my posts I just say whats on my mind. I did a lot of OMGUS. When I finally sat and calmly looked at the game, I put a little suspicion on DF/Skynx because of short filter, and rels for a similar reason. But I've been attacked for switching views, for not tunneling, for tunneling at the start, and a whole variety of other things.

I don't know exactly how I could defend myself at this point. I've done my best to make you realize that I'm town. But a LOT of people are tunneling on me. I'm not sure what else I'd have to do to prove I'm town.

The idea that I had a scum slip is a complete joke. If I die today:

Lynch TT/Rels. Both are experienced townies yet are moronically pushing this lynch. Especially TT. After that I would look for people who coasted and just hopped on the wagon day 1.

Do not Lynch Calix: Calix is the most most obviously confirmed town here. I want to say NU as well because of filter length, but I'm not sure.


Anywho I'm running some errands now like I said. I should be back before EoD but my motivation to play this game is basically out the window.

On November 05 2016 02:46 ExO_ wrote:
TT/Rels/NU should be your prime suspects. Those are my top 3 scum reads.

I also think there would've been a high chance for people to say "skynkx town read ExO at EoD b/c he's scum trying to get town cred". By pointing this out here I no longer think it'll happen. If it does though refer to this



Conclusion:
There are a bunch of similarities. Esp. at the start of the game.
Tonewise I think his tone is way more over the top this game than it was in the game I linked.
But as I said again and again: he has absolutely 0 reads this game.
Look at his filter. Look at the two posts I quoted.
See the difference?

Imo ExO_ was actually a pretty easy town read in the game I linked. He had a wonky start, but after that he started actually playing and made good posts. This game we only have a huge appeal to emotion.

##vote ExO_


This post also made me go wtf because everything disfo said that ExO_ did in his town game he's done here. OMGUSd a player, got annoyed, claimed VT. Not once did disfo mention this at all during the game and has only done it now. We're not even near the deadline which is when disfo said exo came back last time.

I feel like to make this post disfo had to KNOW that there was a game where exo claimed VT since it's not actually in the database at all. Also, since he didn't mention it it actually looks like disformation wants to hop on this bandwagon with hip reasons.

I think they might be partners or disformation is an extremely better vote.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 20 2016 13:06 GMT
#428
I realise that post isn't well formulated but to break it down:

ExO's game where he claims VT isn't in the database.
Disformation therefore knows he's done this before, rage et al.

Conclusion:
There are a bunch of similarities. Esp. at the start of the game.
Tonewise I think his tone is way more over the top this game than it was in the game I linked.


Disformation states the start of this game was just like that one.
Disformation didn't mention any of this at the start of the game at all.
Disformation didn't even factor it in at all.
Disformation wants to hop on hip bandwagon.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 20 2016 13:20 GMT
#432
On December 20 2016 22:15 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2016 22:06 Holyflare wrote:
I realise that post isn't well formulated but to break it down:

ExO's game where he claims VT isn't in the database.
Disformation therefore knows he's done this before, rage et al.

Conclusion:
There are a bunch of similarities. Esp. at the start of the game.
Tonewise I think his tone is way more over the top this game than it was in the game I linked.


Disformation states the start of this game was just like that one.
Disformation didn't mention any of this at the start of the game at all.
Disformation didn't even factor it in at all.
Disformation wants to hop on hip bandwagon.

I was in obs this game, forgot about until someone mentioned it (might have been rels).
Was bored adn decided to look at it.

and i def. mention that the start of the game is similar. the big difference is what happens afterward. He starts to play a good town game and by the time he looks like the def. lynch the posts I quoted happen.
Looks like day and night to this game.

timing checks out. there should at least be some decent posts by exo here by now.


Where did you mention this at all?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 20 2016 13:25 GMT
#435
On December 20 2016 22:21 Koshi wrote:
disformation, if you are not mafia, there is without a single piece of doubt, mafia within Rels/Sicklucker. Maybe even both.


I stopped believing Exo is mafia.


That's a terrible thing to do.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 20 2016 13:40 GMT
#441
On December 20 2016 22:20 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2016 22:15 disformation wrote:
On December 20 2016 22:06 Holyflare wrote:
I realise that post isn't well formulated but to break it down:

ExO's game where he claims VT isn't in the database.
Disformation therefore knows he's done this before, rage et al.

Conclusion:
There are a bunch of similarities. Esp. at the start of the game.
Tonewise I think his tone is way more over the top this game than it was in the game I linked.


Disformation states the start of this game was just like that one.
Disformation didn't mention any of this at the start of the game at all.
Disformation didn't even factor it in at all.
Disformation wants to hop on hip bandwagon.

I was in obs this game, forgot about until someone mentioned it (might have been rels).
Was bored adn decided to look at it.

and i def. mention that the start of the game is similar. the big difference is what happens afterward. He starts to play a good town game and by the time he looks like the def. lynch the posts I quoted happen.
Looks like day and night to this game.

timing checks out. there should at least be some decent posts by exo here by now.


Where did you mention this at all?

Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 20 2016 13:42 GMT
#443
Are you kidding me? Your defence for not mentioning exo played like this early game was that you did and you're linking the post I'm criticising you for??
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 20 2016 13:43 GMT
#445
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