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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 06 2016 19:34 GMT
#2331
On December 07 2016 04:20 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2016 06:35 sicklucker wrote:
unfortunately im town... trust me im a super lazy scum and would be afk as fuck lol

Le irony


Lol I was thinking about that as well.

Btw, I've got work in just over an hour so I'll be gone for deadline he again, but I think we are pretty locked in at this point.

I'm disappointed Onegu never managed to make more than 2 throwaway posts today. Would be nice to not have yet another big question mark in the game after how D2 went.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 07 2016 01:28 GMT
#2402
2 down 1 to go boys!

On December 07 2016 07:00 Onegu wrote:
TT still mafia


Nope but as long as you lynch Emp after I flip its cool by me. I'm 99% sure he is the last mafia.

You even showed more original thought in your 2 posts casing me than I've seen from Emp all day.

Thought I will point out I have no issues with you having voted EC in general, it was how you waved off any responsibility to make a read on NU by just going "Koshi's on that wagon, I won't vote NU". I actually pointed out your vote on Emp kinda made sense given your posts.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 07 2016 01:30 GMT
#2403
On December 07 2016 07:10 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2016 07:06 Onegu wrote:
On December 07 2016 07:02 Rels wrote:
I'm jailkeeping Onegu tonioght



Dont change your mind.

Nope. Your attitude was too weird alst night, and that makes one unreadable dude out of the POE for the last two lynches.


Sweet so when Rels dies I get to 1v1 Emp?

Sounds good to me. Was worried it was gunna be a bit of a cluster between Me/Onegu/Emp.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 07 2016 01:34 GMT
#2405
On December 07 2016 07:52 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2016 07:26 emperorchampion wrote:
so turns out darth isn't the gf after all lolololo


surprise surprise i'm almost certainly confirmed town


Yea I think you and HF are pretty impossible to be scum based on that flip.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 07 2016 01:37 GMT
#2406
On December 07 2016 08:12 darthfoley wrote:
if it's mahrgell and my tinfoil was right i'm going to be so pleased with myself


I think SL being mafia means that mafia was 100% bussing D1 which you also called N1.

Another reason I think it's Emp, the prime busser.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 07 2016 01:45 GMT
#2409
On December 07 2016 10:32 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2016 10:30 Tictock wrote:
On December 07 2016 07:10 Rels wrote:
On December 07 2016 07:06 Onegu wrote:
On December 07 2016 07:02 Rels wrote:
I'm jailkeeping Onegu tonioght



Dont change your mind.

Nope. Your attitude was too weird alst night, and that makes one unreadable dude out of the POE for the last two lynches.


Sweet so when Rels dies I get to 1v1 Emp?

Sounds good to me. Was worried it was gunna be a bit of a cluster between Me/Onegu/Emp.

What do you mean ?


Well you JKing Onegu removes him from PoE if anyone dies. By removing him most people's PoE should be me and Emp.

For me if Onegu is confirmed than 100% the last mafia is Emp.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 07 2016 01:47 GMT
#2410
On December 07 2016 10:38 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2016 10:37 Tictock wrote:
On December 07 2016 08:12 darthfoley wrote:
if it's mahrgell and my tinfoil was right i'm going to be so pleased with myself


I think SL being mafia means that mafia was 100% bussing D1 which you also called N1.

Another reason I think it's Emp, the prime busser.

What do you mean ?


His was the first vote on NU followed by SL.

Check when Emp voted NU I'm willing to bet it was well after majority opinion was against NU and he and SL decided to do the epic bus.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 07 2016 01:48 GMT
#2411
On December 07 2016 10:44 darthfoley wrote:
Right now I think emperor is more likely that last mafia than TT, but I haven't spent too much time thinking about it yet. Would be super sick if it's Onegu and Rels goes ham on him with the JK


I'm ok if this is the outcome, even if that means I'm wrong here.

But if Emp is mafia then my D1 reads were so freaking good.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 07 2016 01:50 GMT
#2412
On November 30 2016 15:21 Tictock wrote:
Rels - Feels a lot like last game joining a bit late but just dropping thoughts as he has them. His "Ok NVM" posts support that he is just saying what he thinks as he thinks it, not trying to construct stuff. Very likely town.

Holyflare - I don't agree with much of what HF said about gell, but it feels in line with stuff he's pushed before. To restate: I disagree with his reasoning to scumread mahrgell but it's not unlike pushes I've seen from town!HF before. There are a couple posts I feel could fall into DMA + Show Spoiler +
Dick Move Analysis, basically just the trend that mafia aren't usually outright mean to other players
, #453, #494, #507. So I'm tempted to townlean HF, however I'm not convinced any of this is outside his mafia wheelhouse so it's just a weak lean for now. In fact thinking about it more there are similarities to his push on gell and how he pushed me in (I think?) his last scum game. He was also fairly lackluster D1 in that game until he pushed for shenanigans onto Rels at EoD. Guess I'm pretty null/conflicted on HF.

Shapelog - I'm suprised how straightforward Shape is being this game honestly. Sure he threw out the cop WIFOM right off but that was pretty much the only time he hasn't been fairly serious this game. I'd be more worried about it if I didn't feel like I could see where he is coming from generaly and liked a few of the points he's been making. The one thing that stood out as strange to me was his NU read in #403
+ Show Spoiler +
Shape started off saying he didn't find much to sway him either way yet here was his conclusion:
Overall he has been overstressing things more than they should, which is more AI of a scum player than a town player. But, NU tone as town in previous games is like that. And while he did say he was trying to change his meta, tone and writing style is harder to change than just what you post. He's null/light scum read, but once he posts more content posts (along with everyone else), I will relook.


Onegu - Flipping my read from earlier. I gave Onegu some credit for doing some stuff right off and seeming like he was involved. Skimming his filter now I find basically nothing with real content in it. Seems like he burnt up a bunch of energy right at the start posting a bunch but now that there is stuff to actually discuss has dropped off. Would be someone to re-evaluate closer to EoD is I have time.

LightningStrike - Kinda a lazy read but LS just feels tonally on point to me and has been pretty involved. I'd imagine him having a harder time being this comfortable rolling scum after such a long absence from playing.

darthfoley - Pretty meh over his filter. I can kinda see where he is coming from at times, but I dislike how he dropped Shape from a townread to null just kus Rels asked him about it. I was going to call his vote on HF opportunistic, but he did mention not liking HF in an earlier post. I think I just need to see more from Darth to get a better read, I do recall him being a bit like this last game as well.

Koshi - Like I said before I see no reason for him to take a step back from his scumread on me like he did if he were mafia. I also imagine he'd be way more burnt out rolling scum for the 5th game in a row. Sure he'd play to win still, but what I've seen is a fair bit above what mafia would need to be doing at this point in the game.

Checkm8 - Not much to go on, and yea as others have mentioned he's overplayed the newb card. His one post of content felt legit. Idk, gut says town.

mahrgell - Feels a lot like what I recall from last game and pretty tonally on point as well. I also liked his reactions to HF's pressure (possibly another DMA) and while I get his big reads post feeling a bit lackluster it also reads to me like his legit thoughts at the time. Fairly strong townlean here.

emperorchampion - I honestly have no clue where Emp's head is at this game. Starts off some pressure on NU then does a 180 with no explanation and is now back to scumreading him. This post in particular stands out to me.
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2016 02:22 emperorchampion wrote:
NU probably town. LS don't really like trying to set up mafia between NU and I. TT haven't really liked from the get go. mahrgell's got this mix of above average content, lots of questions, pressure on incorrect target that's raising some flags for me. That's where I'm at right now. There are a ton of questions for me that I may answer at some point, largely related to NU I imagine, but that guy is town for now.

This is where he 180's on NU, throws shade on LS for suggesting there is mafia between himself and NU (which is odd since he had also thought NU was sus a few posts before), doesn't like me, and the stuff about gell is almost litterally word vomit. Feels like a scatter shot post flinging shit and seeing what might stick.

I really did try to find something redeeming in his filter that might make Emp town, but I came up with nothin.

sicklucker - pretty dam null, nothing stood out to me either way

NeverUnlucky - Reading through the game I kinda felt like NU is a lot more held back than I have ever seen him. I liked his point in #285 in response to Koshi. Other than that though I'm really not following his reads, and especially his pushes. Kinda a shame NU was last on the list, I feel like I need to be more awake to make a better read here. Leaving him as a scum read kus something feels off about him in my gut.



##Vote: emperorchampion

Seems like the best option to me. I have an odd feeling that the Emp vs NU stuff so far has actually been Mafia on Mafia. NU has actually said very little about Emp despite being one of his scumreads and Emp's read on NU has been a bit all over the place. Their interactions are also pretty tame for two people scum reading one another as well. I might be hitting the tinfoil a bit here though.


Hell even if Onegu is mafia this was pretty damned on point.


I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 07 2016 01:56 GMT
#2414
On December 07 2016 10:50 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2016 10:47 Tictock wrote:
On December 07 2016 10:38 Rels wrote:
On December 07 2016 10:37 Tictock wrote:
On December 07 2016 08:12 darthfoley wrote:
if it's mahrgell and my tinfoil was right i'm going to be so pleased with myself


I think SL being mafia means that mafia was 100% bussing D1 which you also called N1.

Another reason I think it's Emp, the prime busser.

What do you mean ?


His was the first vote on NU followed by SL.

Check when Emp voted NU I'm willing to bet it was well after majority opinion was against NU and he and SL decided to do the epic bus.

So it's not a meta reference ?
EC's vote on NU was actually after a majority opinion on NU by at least LS, marghell, Koshi and I.


Nah I think I've played with Emp before but I recall nothing about it.

All based on his posts this game baby.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 07 2016 03:08 GMT
#2420
On December 07 2016 11:00 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2016 10:56 Tictock wrote:
On December 07 2016 10:50 Rels wrote:
On December 07 2016 10:47 Tictock wrote:
On December 07 2016 10:38 Rels wrote:
On December 07 2016 10:37 Tictock wrote:
On December 07 2016 08:12 darthfoley wrote:
if it's mahrgell and my tinfoil was right i'm going to be so pleased with myself


I think SL being mafia means that mafia was 100% bussing D1 which you also called N1.

Another reason I think it's Emp, the prime busser.

What do you mean ?


His was the first vote on NU followed by SL.

Check when Emp voted NU I'm willing to bet it was well after majority opinion was against NU and he and SL decided to do the epic bus.

So it's not a meta reference ?
EC's vote on NU was actually after a majority opinion on NU by at least LS, marghell, Koshi and I.


Nah I think I've played with Emp before but I recall nothing about it.

All based on his posts this game baby.

You played in his first two games (newbie XXI and presidential), in both you were town and he was scum


Cool, but if you are trying to say I should have some meta to go off of here I don't. The only meta I use is what I can remember about people, and I recall jack shit about those games.

On December 07 2016 11:04 emperorchampion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2016 10:48 Tictock wrote:
On December 07 2016 10:44 darthfoley wrote:
Right now I think emperor is more likely that last mafia than TT, but I haven't spent too much time thinking about it yet. Would be super sick if it's Onegu and Rels goes ham on him with the JK


I'm ok if this is the outcome, even if that means I'm wrong here.

But if Emp is mafia then my D1 reads were so freaking good.


Spolier alert: I'm not mafia


Right kus no mafia have ever said that...


On December 07 2016 11:14 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2016 02:37 Tictock wrote:
On December 02 2016 20:51 mahrgell wrote:
before I forget though:

@TT:
didn't see you comment on this one Maybe missed it, but I think you commented all my other posts but this one.


I just misread the setups and thought there was an RB in both 1 and 3.

Also host WIFOM is why I'm guessing 3, but it doesn't really matter which setup it is.

What does that even mean ?


BTDT named setup 1 "boring" and setup 3 "dis gunna be good".
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 07 2016 03:43 GMT
#2422
Have you not been reading my posts?

It's you or a very outside chance of Gell playing playing a great game, and he can take home the win for all I care.

With Rels JKing Onegu my PoE is down to you.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 07 2016 03:47 GMT
#2423
Basically if there is a kill tonight you are Mafia Emp.

I'm sure Rels already made sure mafia can't hold their shot or some shit.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 07 2016 13:35 GMT
#2444
On December 07 2016 22:16 Holyflare wrote:
Darth is also the one that tried to divert the day 1 lynch, he hasn't done much for the past few cycles but make sheep posts.

Maybe I'm tinfoiling a bit but the jk rb is all we have left to mega confirm someone and lynching onegu is far easier if we need to do that.



Where is all this paranoia about Darth coming from?

SL tried to push Darth fairly hard D2, and based on SL's D1 vote I find it far more likely that scum bussed NU D1 than tried to blatantly move the lynch off NU.

Like remember when Darth tried to get a wagon going on me D1 and Emp was all like "Sure I made a case on TT but I like my vote where it is".

Emp is mafia.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 07 2016 13:45 GMT
#2446
SL tried to push Darth fairly hard D2, and based on SL's D1 vote I find it far more likely that scum bussed NU D1 than tried to blatantly move the lynch off NU.


Is why I said yesterday that SL flipping red nearly confirms Darth in my mind.

HF is making me a bit paranoid throwing out a bunch of WIFOM and then saying we need to figure shit out tonight.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 07 2016 14:05 GMT
#2447
Last thing before I go fight my way through Snow traffic.

On December 07 2016 22:30 Rels wrote:
I wanted to wait a little bit more but since we're discussing it I'll go ahead and say it. Since I'm in theater tonight I can't post a last second message with my check. )= If that wasn't the case I would have waited until the last second in case Onegu is scum and concedes.
I will target TT because:
- there is a very possibility he's scum
- he's one of the strongest player on this website, especially lategame. From the top of my head I remember several games where he just analyzed it and solved it super easily. The most impressive example being the last PYP game


While I respect both the fear that I could still be scum and the respect that I'm one of the stronger town players endgame. I know kinda preffered the JK on Onegu since then I don't have to read him based on 1 post every 12 hours.

Obviously I am biased though, so do as you please Rels.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 07 2016 14:13 GMT
#2450
On December 07 2016 23:07 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2016 22:45 Tictock wrote:
SL tried to push Darth fairly hard D2, and based on SL's D1 vote I find it far more likely that scum bussed NU D1 than tried to blatantly move the lynch off NU.


Is why I said yesterday that SL flipping red nearly confirms Darth in my mind.

HF is making me a bit paranoid throwing out a bunch of WIFOM and then saying we need to figure shit out tonight.


Why does it matter who sl pushed? Mafia's tactic was to clearly bus their team mates, you're literally saying that Mafia's strategy was to bus NU but now you're saying sl couldn't have bussed df and it confirms him?

It wasn't even a push.


I'm saying it looked like he was legit wanting to get Darth lynched.

Also the other reasons why I don't think Darth is mafia.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 07 2016 14:17 GMT
#2452
On December 07 2016 23:08 mahrgell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2016 23:05 Tictock wrote:
Last thing before I go fight my way through Snow traffic.

On December 07 2016 22:30 Rels wrote:
I wanted to wait a little bit more but since we're discussing it I'll go ahead and say it. Since I'm in theater tonight I can't post a last second message with my check. )= If that wasn't the case I would have waited until the last second in case Onegu is scum and concedes.
I will target TT because:
- there is a very possibility he's scum
- he's one of the strongest player on this website, especially lategame. From the top of my head I remember several games where he just analyzed it and solved it super easily. The most impressive example being the last PYP game


While I respect both the fear that I could still be scum and the respect that I'm one of the stronger town players endgame. I know kinda preffered the JK on Onegu since then I don't have to read him based on 1 post every 12 hours.

Obviously I am biased though, so do as you please Rels.


Before you offered yourself to be lynched day4... Where did the self sacrifice go?
Shouldn't you prefer "check TT, lynch Onegu" over "check Onegu, lynch TT"? In that case you could lobby yourself for the lynch on D5 on Emp. (always assuming the game goes that far) Why you wanna let Onegu do that in your stead?


It's the same thing, but I'm already confirmed Town to myself. I'd rather get a confirm on Onegu and be lynched fighting for my reads.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 07 2016 14:42 GMT
#2455
On December 07 2016 23:35 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2016 23:05 Tictock wrote:
Last thing before I go fight my way through Snow traffic.

On December 07 2016 22:30 Rels wrote:
I wanted to wait a little bit more but since we're discussing it I'll go ahead and say it. Since I'm in theater tonight I can't post a last second message with my check. )= If that wasn't the case I would have waited until the last second in case Onegu is scum and concedes.
I will target TT because:
- there is a very possibility he's scum
- he's one of the strongest player on this website, especially lategame. From the top of my head I remember several games where he just analyzed it and solved it super easily. The most impressive example being the last PYP game


While I respect both the fear that I could still be scum and the respect that I'm one of the stronger town players endgame. I know kinda preffered the JK on Onegu since then I don't have to read him based on 1 post every 12 hours.

Obviously I am biased though, so do as you please Rels.

I'm not gonna change. The thing that cemented that decision was that I find weird that you're not pushing for EC being jailkept. He is your 100% main scum, if I don't target him you're gonna waste tomorrow trying to lynch him; that doesn't make sense IMO. You should be happier with a EC JK than an Onegu JK.
And if you're town I trust you to lead town. (=


That's cool.

I didn't suggest Emp kus you are a big boy and can make your own call. I only spoke up kus I'd rather have info than be confirmed.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 07 2016 17:09 GMT
#2468
On December 08 2016 01:52 Holyflare wrote:
And people don't plan to bus their team it just happens when they play badly.


Believe what you want. I bet NU told his team to bus him as he saw everyone was scumread if him anyways.

I'm pretty sure I'm gunna look like a badass post-game for calling out MvM on Emp v NU D1.
I can take that responsibility.
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