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On December 06 2016 07:11 emperorchampion wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2016 07:04 Tictock wrote:On December 06 2016 03:46 emperorchampion wrote:On December 06 2016 03:26 Holyflare wrote:
Emperor what do you make of all the claims? Take a stance bro. Right now my stance looks like this: 1. Rels 9. mahrgell 6. darthfoley 12. Tictock 2. Holyflare 4. Onegu 11. sicklucker Wtf, how did HF drop so much in your reads without you interacting with him this whole time? Reasoning that he was "town confirmed" was based on prior to sl rescinding his claim. My first thought that if one is mafia and claiming to jail HF, then he must be town. I know the reasoning was pretty bullshit, I believe that it was darth who actually first pointed it out.
So, like what are your actual thoughts on HF, why is he super scummy now?
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On December 06 2016 07:17 emperorchampion wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2016 07:10 Tictock wrote:On December 06 2016 03:52 mahrgell wrote:On December 06 2016 03:35 Tictock wrote:
Also @ Gell
What about my play makes you think I'm just waiting for Onegu to post? Did I just wait around D2 waiting for Shape as well? You acknowledge Onegus vote and wait for Onegu to case you twice... And simply ignore the stuff thats already out there. Why you ask him out? Why not come for me or respond there. Even Emp clearly had doubts here. Why not ask him why he distrusts you? Making it look like a lynch on you only depends on an afk is just... beh. And really not a first in this game... Like most your "interaction" this game has been with afks... Talking to people who can respond is more fruitful... On December 05 2016 07:43 Tictock wrote:On December 05 2016 07:22 Onegu wrote:On December 05 2016 07:19 mahrgell wrote:On December 05 2016 07:11 Rels wrote:On December 05 2016 07:05 emperorchampion wrote:
I think we leave Rels/sl since having the jk alive is pretty good, mafia has to target them at some point. If we can find the partner then the game is actually 100% over. That might be a good idea actually. If we ever kill the other scum the game is over If you are JK and not Scum, you are dead next night. Or he can be town and trying to eat a shot... there are other options... its wifom and we should figure it out later... Exactly it's all a pile of WIFOM that is best just left aside for now. I'm more interested in hearing why you think I'm scum now. On December 05 2016 13:11 Tictock wrote:On December 05 2016 07:49 emperorchampion wrote:
Unless I'm off base with darth/mahrgell this game is really down to Onegu v TT. If Onegu can make a convincing case, then this game could be in a very very good position. Good to know my life is in Onegu's hands. Better be a good case if I'm gunna get hanged for it. That last quate was me being snarky at Emps post because he was basically saying he thought I was Scum but was waiting for Onegu to case me. Otherwise I've just been posting as I see fit and pushing Onegu to case me. 2 birds 1 stone. If Onegu can make a compelling case, there's reason to town read him. That's why I want him to step up.
Right so I doesn't matter what you think of me, it's Onegu who decides what you think about me.
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On December 06 2016 07:19 emperorchampion wrote:
@TT: Do you think you found scum in me? What is your play right now?
Right now I'm seeing a lot of people posting new thoughts about the game.
The two people who most stand out as not really adding new thinking and posting more reactionary are you and SL.
SL is basically just defending himself which could kinda go either way for him but I don't really buy his defense. Honestly it mostly just feels like SL has been in constant flail mode since he started getting so much flack for his kinda TMI read of Shape.
Your posts have been super all over the place where you state one stance on people. Like HF dropping so far, or calling SL scum fakeclaimimg who might actually flip green.
HF is a possible scumread but I can follow his thinking too well today to call him scum with a straight face.
Onegu is the big question mark since he won't post his flipping case on me.
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On December 06 2016 08:04 emperorchampion wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2016 07:53 Tictock wrote:On December 06 2016 07:11 emperorchampion wrote:On December 06 2016 07:04 Tictock wrote:On December 06 2016 03:46 emperorchampion wrote:On December 06 2016 03:26 Holyflare wrote:
Emperor what do you make of all the claims? Take a stance bro. Right now my stance looks like this: 1. Rels 9. mahrgell 6. darthfoley 12. Tictock 2. Holyflare 4. Onegu 11. sicklucker Wtf, how did HF drop so much in your reads without you interacting with him this whole time? Reasoning that he was "town confirmed" was based on prior to sl rescinding his claim. My first thought that if one is mafia and claiming to jail HF, then he must be town. I know the reasoning was pretty bullshit, I believe that it was darth who actually first pointed it out. So, like what are your actual thoughts on HF, why is he super scummy now? Combination of: 1) Wants to lynch me. 2) I don't like how much time he's spent proving how town he must be, I just want him to find some mafia. 3) Tin-foil with possible teams, sl/hf seems un-likely but I don't know on the others. I just don't know on so many things now.
So exactly only because of OMGUS then.
#2 applies to you as well and if you cannot come up with a tinfoil team then you have none to tinfoil
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On December 06 2016 08:15 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2016 07:19 emperorchampion wrote:
@TT: Do you think you found scum in me? What is your play right now? Right now I'm seeing a lot of people posting new thoughts about the game. The two people who most stand out as not really adding new thinking and posting more reactionary are you and SL. SL is basically just defending himself which could kinda go either way for him but I don't really buy his defense. Honestly it mostly just feels like SL has been in constant flail mode since he started getting so much flack for his kinda TMI read of Shape. Your posts have been super all over the place where you state one stance on people. Like HF dropping so far, or calling SL scum fakeclaimimg who might actually flip green. HF is a possible scumread but I can follow his thinking too well today to call him scum with a straight face. Onegu is the big question mark since he won't post his flipping case on me.
Yea this is more or less my thoughts now that I'm caught up fully.
I really don't think Darth or Gell are mafia. HF is possible but unlikely. Rels is confirmed.
Onegu is absent. Emp is weird.
SL is flailing and seems like my best option to vote.
I'm willing to be the next lynch after SL kus if he flips mafia then I think Emp is his partner and that means I had pretty amazing reads on D1.
##Vote:Sicklucker
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On December 06 2016 08:31 emperorchampion wrote:
@TT you don't think that sl can flip green? For me it's like red 60/40 green idk.
With regards to HF I'm running out of other people who can be mafia. Could be darth maybe, or mahrgell, but I'd take them over HF. You, I'm really not sure on. Plenty of reasons to scum read you I suppose, but I think you've played well last day or so.
I think Town!SL can come up with some amazingly terrible plays. I have never see him fakeclaim or be so dodgy about claiming.
It seems really sketch to me that he was both upset that Rels claimed EoN and made his post at start of day as a "play" to confuse mafia.
He also came into today super ready to call me scum then backed off when he saw me defend him. That seems super reactionary to me kus I had been defending him somewhat last phase as well.
So yea SL makes a fair bit of sense as scum here and he fits in well with a team with you and NU. Kus at this point it does seem like epic bus strats D1 are on the table and actually pretty possible.
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On December 06 2016 08:40 emperorchampion wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2016 08:34 Tictock wrote:On December 06 2016 08:15 Tictock wrote:On December 06 2016 07:19 emperorchampion wrote:
@TT: Do you think you found scum in me? What is your play right now? Right now I'm seeing a lot of people posting new thoughts about the game. The two people who most stand out as not really adding new thinking and posting more reactionary are you and SL. SL is basically just defending himself which could kinda go either way for him but I don't really buy his defense. Honestly it mostly just feels like SL has been in constant flail mode since he started getting so much flack for his kinda TMI read of Shape. Your posts have been super all over the place where you state one stance on people. Like HF dropping so far, or calling SL scum fakeclaimimg who might actually flip green. HF is a possible scumread but I can follow his thinking too well today to call him scum with a straight face. Onegu is the big question mark since he won't post his flipping case on me. Yea this is more or less my thoughts now that I'm caught up fully. I really don't think Darth or Gell are mafia. HF is possible but unlikely. Rels is confirmed. Onegu is absent. Emp is weird. SL is flailing and seems like my best option to vote. I'm willing to be the next lynch after SL kus if he flips mafia then I think Emp is his partner and that means I had pretty amazing reads on D1. ##Vote:Sicklucker Can you explain the last sentence a bit more: you think SL is red, and I'm his partner. But you can be the next lynch afterwards?
Yea, kus people keep wanting to lynch me for some reason.
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Btw, my vote was super orritunistic and made right as Darth evened out the wagons.
That might help you get started Onegu.
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On December 06 2016 08:52 emperorchampion wrote:
TT, assume I'm town. Who's mafia for you next?
Onegu probably.
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On December 06 2016 08:52 emperorchampion wrote:
TT, assume I'm town. Who's mafia for you next?
Since you said you think SL is town do you think mafia is Myself/HF?
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On December 06 2016 09:00 emperorchampion wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2016 08:58 Tictock wrote:On December 06 2016 08:52 emperorchampion wrote:
TT, assume I'm town. Who's mafia for you next? Onegu probably. I know you think that my play may have been weird over the last few hours, but how close does your list look to this then: Show nested quote +On December 06 2016 03:46 emperorchampion wrote:On December 06 2016 03:26 Holyflare wrote:
Emperor what do you make of all the claims? Take a stance bro. Right now my stance looks like this: 1. Rels 9. mahrgell 6. darthfoley 12. Tictock 2. Holyflare 4. Onegu 11. sicklucker ofc subbing you for me.
I would have HF a little higher but yea that's not too different from my thinking.
How did you have me in a clearly town group there though yet feel like I could be scum if f Onegu made a good enough case on me though?
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On December 06 2016 09:03 emperorchampion wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2016 09:01 Tictock wrote:On December 06 2016 08:52 emperorchampion wrote:
TT, assume I'm town. Who's mafia for you next? Since you said you think SL is town do you think mafia is Myself/HF? Nah I'm more mafia on than town for sl right now. Really thinking about who else could be red though. My list is pretty much still as in my most previous post.
Then why haven't you voted SL since I'm less suspicious than Onegu or HF but am the only other real option.
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On December 06 2016 09:09 emperorchampion wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2016 09:05 Tictock wrote:On December 06 2016 09:00 emperorchampion wrote:On December 06 2016 08:58 Tictock wrote:On December 06 2016 08:52 emperorchampion wrote:
TT, assume I'm town. Who's mafia for you next? Onegu probably. I know you think that my play may have been weird over the last few hours, but how close does your list look to this then: On December 06 2016 03:46 emperorchampion wrote:On December 06 2016 03:26 Holyflare wrote:
Emperor what do you make of all the claims? Take a stance bro. Right now my stance looks like this: 1. Rels 9. mahrgell 6. darthfoley 12. Tictock 2. Holyflare 4. Onegu 11. sicklucker ofc subbing you for me. I would have HF a little higher but yea that's not too different from my thinking. How did you have me in a clearly town group there though yet feel like I could be scum if f Onegu made a good enough case on me though? Hmm I liked the point that rels made about this post: Show nested quote +On December 04 2016 08:20 Tictock wrote:
Ehh just skimmed kus I saw people talking about a claim. I doubt SL is the JK since he put so much stock into Shape's claim having meaning. I feel like if he were blue he would be more paranoid about other people claiming blue.
Idk, I'll think about it more when I have time. And I think you've been re-evaluating the game quite a bit. I dunno just feels similar to me right now. What Onegu thinks can contribute, just like anyone elses case could. I don't think that Onegu's thoughts are any more important than other people. I just wanted something to evaluate his thinking on, cause that's a major blind spot for like 2 days now.
Yea ok I can get this.
I was half trying to make some WIFOM with that post though I never did think he might be the JK. I was thinking he was Town fake claiming at that point. Looking at it now it actually kinda goes
Against SL's town style. I don't think I've ever seen him try to go to such lengths to create reasons to TR him.
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Nah if SL is scum the reasoning HF gave about him being confirmed is super fucking solid.
I will agree that SL fakeclaiming as scum pretty heavily indicates that his partner is in a pretty solid position to hold the game down. Which is clearly why everyone thinks I'm scum kus I'll hold this game down for mafia.
Actually that's why I'm thinking you make so much sense as everyone gave you solid towncred for NU's lynch. Then your posting D2 showed no attempt at looking deeper than Shape and early posts today were weird on the claims.
You are managing to talk pretty calmly with me here though. That's good on you regardless of your alignment.
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Decided to relook at SL's posts today to see if I missed anything.
On December 06 2016 02:39 sicklucker wrote:
Darth completely mia is fucking weird since hes been really active. I dont see how ticktocks not fucking mafia this game since I had a tentative town read on onegu whos hard to read and not even playing so also a question mark. Your fucking saying alot of things and not making much sense and seem to know im not the real j/k. which is what mafia fucking knows since they didnt kill me
Stuff like this just looks like flailing so hard. Especially the bit about mafia not killing him kus they know he is not the JK.
I just don't understand why a town!SL would be mad at Rels CCing and make this "play" at keeping mafia in the dark as a response. I can accept SL making weird terrible plays as Town, but there is a disconnect in the emotion and action there that I can't buy.
On December 06 2016 02:44 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2016 02:40 emperorchampion wrote:
mahrg is pretty town bruh, still trying to solve the game and act in a towny fashion. He's actually kept the activity up all throughout. I can agree to that which is why its hard to find the last mafia for me. I dont have alot of options and I thought they were all townie pre relations bullshit. and onegus voting ticktock which is townie afaik since I know im town
This is his next post.
Literally calls 3 people mafia then says he has a hard time finding scum.
I'd also like to know why Onegu voting me is super towny, and for that matter what had SL so sure I was mafia at start of day.
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On December 06 2016 15:51 emperorchampion wrote:
sigh, time zones suck
Can someone please explain a reason for reading Onegu as town?
I can't if he is not playing, but I also don't think there is much to point to him being mafia. Can you?
Also Rels point about Onegu being spewed town is kinda ok, if fairly WIFOM.
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On December 06 2016 15:58 emperorchampion wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2016 15:54 emperorchampion wrote:On December 06 2016 09:37 Tictock wrote:
Nah if SL is scum the reasoning HF gave about him being confirmed is super fucking solid.
I will agree that SL fakeclaiming as scum pretty heavily indicates that his partner is in a pretty solid position to hold the game down. Which is clearly why everyone thinks I'm scum kus I'll hold this game down for mafia.
Actually that's why I'm thinking you make so much sense as everyone gave you solid towncred for NU's lynch. Then your posting D2 showed no attempt at looking deeper than Shape and early posts today were weird on the claims.
You are managing to talk pretty calmly with me here though. That's good on you regardless of your alignment. Looking back at this, your point about shape is actually false if you look at how I engage shape day 2. Actually I mis-understood your point. Yeah you're right I didn't really look at anything other than shape cause I figured out pretty quick that shape / c8 were gonna be mod-killed / lynched and it totally killed my motivation to do anything.
Can you explain to me why you thought voting CM8 was a good idea?
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On December 06 2016 15:51 emperorchampion wrote:
sigh, time zones suck
Can someone please explain a reason for reading Onegu as town?
This is totally why you are mafia btw. Not trying to reason the game out yourself and asking others to do it for you.
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On December 06 2016 16:06 emperorchampion wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2016 16:02 Tictock wrote:On December 06 2016 15:51 emperorchampion wrote:
sigh, time zones suck
Can someone please explain a reason for reading Onegu as town? I can't if he is not playing, but I also don't think there is much to point to him being mafia. Can you? Also Rels point about Onegu being spewed town is kinda ok, if fairly WIFOM. I just read him as mafia, since it seems like he might intentionally be playing as a wild card.
Do you think he is mafia with SL or with someone else?
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On December 07 2016 00:11 Holyflare wrote:
At least from the conversation that achieved nothing tt and emperor aren't likely partners.
I'm still pretty convinced Emp is the last mafia from all that.
These posts don't suggest he had any towny thinking about D2.
On December 06 2016 15:58 emperorchampion wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2016 15:54 emperorchampion wrote:On December 06 2016 09:37 Tictock wrote:
Nah if SL is scum the reasoning HF gave about him being confirmed is super fucking solid.
I will agree that SL fakeclaiming as scum pretty heavily indicates that his partner is in a pretty solid position to hold the game down. Which is clearly why everyone thinks I'm scum kus I'll hold this game down for mafia.
Actually that's why I'm thinking you make so much sense as everyone gave you solid towncred for NU's lynch. Then your posting D2 showed no attempt at looking deeper than Shape and early posts today were weird on the claims.
You are managing to talk pretty calmly with me here though. That's good on you regardless of your alignment. Looking back at this, your point about shape is actually false if you look at how I engage shape day 2. Actually I mis-understood your point. Yeah you're right I didn't really look at anything other than shape cause I figured out pretty quick that shape / c8 were gonna be mod-killed / lynched and it totally killed my motivation to do anything.
On December 06 2016 16:08 emperorchampion wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2016 16:03 Tictock wrote:On December 06 2016 15:58 emperorchampion wrote:On December 06 2016 15:54 emperorchampion wrote:On December 06 2016 09:37 Tictock wrote:
Nah if SL is scum the reasoning HF gave about him being confirmed is super fucking solid.
I will agree that SL fakeclaiming as scum pretty heavily indicates that his partner is in a pretty solid position to hold the game down. Which is clearly why everyone thinks I'm scum kus I'll hold this game down for mafia.
Actually that's why I'm thinking you make so much sense as everyone gave you solid towncred for NU's lynch. Then your posting D2 showed no attempt at looking deeper than Shape and early posts today were weird on the claims.
You are managing to talk pretty calmly with me here though. That's good on you regardless of your alignment. Looking back at this, your point about shape is actually false if you look at how I engage shape day 2. Actually I mis-understood your point. Yeah you're right I didn't really look at anything other than shape cause I figured out pretty quick that shape / c8 were gonna be mod-killed / lynched and it totally killed my motivation to do anything. Can you explain to me why you thought voting CM8 was a good idea? I didn't think that shape was mafia, and had a possibility of coming back / voting / doing something. c8 it was pretty obvious was not going to come back, so I just tossed my vote there.
Says he thought Shape/CM8 were gunna be lynched/modkilled and had no motivation to do anything. Yet thought Shape was gunna flip town for some reason.
Looking back on his posts from D2.
On December 02 2016 10:25 emperorchampion wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2016 10:18 darthfoley wrote:On December 02 2016 10:15 emperorchampion wrote:On December 02 2016 10:04 darthfoley wrote:On December 02 2016 09:54 mahrgell wrote:
And one last thing I would like to remind people of:
CM8 and Shlog can not be scum together. This is simply ruled out.
Unless you are saying that they both risked being mod killed for not posting the entire night after being warned for not voting, but somehow submitted a nightkill!
There is at least one active scum around.
And now if you apply this logic, this is actually making the Shlog train much weaker.
Assume you give CM8 a chance of 30% to be scum. This means Shlog has maximum 70% if there is guaranteed to be one scum between those two. And there is still the chance neither is scum.
If you now tell me SHLOG SCUM 100%... Okay. Then you have to really convince me why CM8 can't be scum. I've said for a while it's probably Shapelog or Checkm8 + one active town I personally think that this particular afk'ness is NAI. Mafia have nothing to gain by missing votes. Mafia does something like what Rels did, do nothing then park your vote with the consensus and go along with your life. In my eyes, c8 and shape are basically at pre-EoD. I can see an argument for c8, maybe the dude just doesn't know what to post anymore, but not shape. Did you read my post discussing Shapelog's opinion of NU and how bad it was? If so, you disagree with me? My main point on Shapelog was not his AFK'ness. That was only a minor component Maybe I'm blinded, but I put my estimate of shape being mafia at like 10% at the moment. If he comes back and makes a fool of himself, then well OK.
Says he is 90% sure Shape is town, but gives no reason why, and while most of us were waiting to see if Shape was going to come back and be towny Emp is suggesting the opposite.
On December 02 2016 10:42 emperorchampion wrote:
8. Checkm8
3. Shapelog
4. Onegu
1. Rels
12. Tictock
6. darthfoley
One of these people right now. Hard time deciding the order, but something like this.
A few posts later with no new reasoning suddenly Shape is pretty high up on the lynch list.
On December 02 2016 17:42 emperorchampion wrote:
Well in any case shape looks worse after his last few posts, but I dunno. We'll see what the next 24hrs bring!
So after Shape returned to the game he looked worse than before, but Emp still ends up voting CM8.
Then this gem.
On December 03 2016 16:42 emperorchampion wrote:Now we just wait until shape flips town and the game gets interesting again 
On December 04 2016 04:54 emperorchampion wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2016 04:45 LightningStrike wrote:
EC why you voting Check he not getting lynched today. More likely he will be modkilled. Sicklucker we not lynching darth either today so idk why you guys wasting your votes. Yeah I can vote for shape, seems likely he's maf at this point. Feel like it doesn't really matter at this point tho.
Think that is the last post Emp had D2.
Do you guys see what I'm talking about?
Emp claimed to think Shape was Town but had no reasoning to think so. His read changed on a dime even before Shape came back. Then he voted CM8 without any reasoning or looking for other possible mafia.
The reasoning he gave me last night doesn't make sense given his posting D2 at all.
I also suggest you guys look at his early posting today and you will see it is no better.
Last two mafia are SL/Emp. I'm feeling it in my bones.
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