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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 02 2016 04:20 GMT
#1497
On December 02 2016 10:25 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2016 10:21 sicklucker wrote:
Like go read page 53 and tell me darthfoley is not mafia with a straight face. go do it


I just did and i've come to the conclusion that i'm not mafia


lol, yea I really don't think Darth is mafia anymore.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 02 2016 04:21 GMT
#1498
On December 02 2016 10:25 emperorchampion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2016 10:18 darthfoley wrote:
On December 02 2016 10:15 emperorchampion wrote:
On December 02 2016 10:04 darthfoley wrote:
On December 02 2016 09:54 mahrgell wrote:
And one last thing I would like to remind people of:

CM8 and Shlog can not be scum together. This is simply ruled out.

Unless you are saying that they both risked being mod killed for not posting the entire night after being warned for not voting, but somehow submitted a nightkill!

There is at least one active scum around.
And now if you apply this logic, this is actually making the Shlog train much weaker.
Assume you give CM8 a chance of 30% to be scum. This means Shlog has maximum 70% if there is guaranteed to be one scum between those two. And there is still the chance neither is scum.
If you now tell me SHLOG SCUM 100%... Okay. Then you have to really convince me why CM8 can't be scum.


I've said for a while it's probably Shapelog or Checkm8 + one active town


I personally think that this particular afk'ness is NAI. Mafia have nothing to gain by missing votes. Mafia does something like what Rels did, do nothing then park your vote with the consensus and go along with your life. In my eyes, c8 and shape are basically at pre-EoD. I can see an argument for c8, maybe the dude just doesn't know what to post anymore, but not shape.


Did you read my post discussing Shapelog's opinion of NU and how bad it was? If so, you disagree with me? My main point on Shapelog was not his AFK'ness. That was only a minor component


Maybe I'm blinded, but I put my estimate of shape being mafia at like 10% at the moment. If he comes back and makes a fool of himself, then well OK.


Who is mafia for you then?
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 02 2016 04:25 GMT
#1499
On December 02 2016 10:31 emperorchampion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2016 10:27 sicklucker wrote:
even darth knows how bad he looks and begs for a cop check. which may or may not make him the godfather


Yeah this doesn't really serve any purpose right meow, except for shitting up the thread.


This is basically my feeling about all of SL's posts right now. Trying to push away from a Shape lynch and generally trying to stir things up.

Though at least it gives us new things to talk about.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 02 2016 04:30 GMT
#1500
On December 02 2016 10:57 emperorchampion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2016 10:43 emperorchampion wrote:
TT arguably also a tier below the other 4.


Maybe not because I'm not sure I fully believe his defense:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2016 11:49 Tictock wrote:
In regards to Emp's case on me. I just don't think like that at all, just because I think someone is town doesn't mean they have good reads. I also have no issue voting with someone I think is mafia because I can be wrong just as easily as anyone else. D1 is an especially bad time to try and use that kind of thinking imo kus there are too many moving pieces and reads can change so easily. I'm also not the type to sheep people, I will vote who I think is mafia even if it means I'm throwing my vote away (though I have gotten a bit better about consolidating).

As well it disregarded some of the other inconsistencies that I found. Also saying MvM between NU and I --- I still get the feeling that he knew that NU was gonna flip red.


I am actually just that good at tinfoiling. If it weren't for how you played EoD in general I might still be on that train of thought, I've actually reconsidered it a couple times but seems really unlikely now.

I mean I got so caught up in my theory about Exo scum slipping last game that the only submission I made to cakes metric thing was Exo/Calix. Don't doubt my powers of tinfoil.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 02 2016 04:32 GMT
#1501
On December 02 2016 13:15 Shapelog wrote:
Fucking hell, stop using math in mafia.

Nothing ever good comes out of that and you should know it TT (98% mafia nut.)


I never used math, I swear.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 02 2016 04:33 GMT
#1503
Also what's with this google doc business when you haven't managed to post in 24 hours?
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 02 2016 04:34 GMT
#1504
On December 02 2016 13:33 Shapelog wrote:
The Temptation to pull a BH is real....

I'm illiterately stopping myself from typing a I do it later post.


You failed when you hit post on this one.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 02 2016 04:38 GMT
#1505
That's right bitches I've got time and I found my motivation....

Now I just need better internet. Sigh.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 02 2016 05:35 GMT
#1508
Let's see if I can manage a filter dive. I've got an idea how I can do this but I won't be able to quote shit since I'm phone posting so bear with me a bit.

Gunna look at SL since his recent posts give me the heebies and I want to see what Shape has got for us before looking at him in depth.

A bunch of SLs posts seem like they could come from either alignment. The stuff that stands out to me is his TR of Shape because of Shapes earlier cop joke. SL made a post (#471) that indicates to me he knows it was a joke. The "I'll make mafia believe the claim and get Shape shot" bit makes me think he wasn't taking it as a real claim, and he even commented on Shapes grammar cop post. Then he goes on to say that mafia Shape never claims cop like that because he can't back out of it. Not only is it not at all true that mafia!shape would ever do that but it only makes sense if it were a real claim.

#687 - seems odd to me that SL expected himself to be lynched. Usually he has a lot of fight in him and claims he can't be lynched

#704 - feels like he is just adding shade to Gell with HF's pressure. Saying Gell isn't a newb and suggesting he might have a meta of making list posts feels off. The former suggests SL has experience with Gell but the latter is the opposite.

#705 - First mention of NU. Calls him out for pushing lynch bait LS and for calling SL scum. Kinda late to pickup the LS point so seems more of a OMGUS reaction. Kinda in line with Koshi's point about SL bussing.

#754 - straight up lie, SL never mentioned NU till after NU said stuff about him. Kinda wish I could check the timeline better but this is hard enough on a phone already.

#756 - a bit odd he says "maybe Emp" in his mafia list when he hadn't mentioned him before and had literally just agreed with Emps post where he voted NU

After that there wasn't really anything else D1. SL leaves a vote on NU, makes like 4 posts calling Onegu town for trying so hard, and that's it.

During the night SL called darth scum, didn't follow through looking for NU spew, and wants towncred for "finding scum" and "AFK voting scum". The last part would be fine expect for him basically sleeping Emp then calling him mafia in the next post.

Then suddenly today SL's posting is dramatically different and he's putting way too much stock into a really bad townread on Shape and not really evaluating Darth very well, just narrowly focusing on a few points.

TBH I could still see a lot of this coming from town!SL, but I am really starting to think he is mafia here.

I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 02 2016 05:37 GMT
#1509
Not doing another one of those off my phone unless my I have internet issues tomorrow. Almost lost the post halfway through.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 02 2016 05:43 GMT
#1510
On December 02 2016 13:39 Shapelog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2016 13:33 Tictock wrote:
Also what's with this google doc business when you haven't managed to post in 24 hours?

I wrote my defense/beginning of reads in google doc because I been getting on and off the computer and TL is too poor to have a save post function.

And I am about to pass out from being tired.

All of which you should of gotten from that post.


Sounded like you were trying to say you had been keeping notes or some shit in that doc. To which I was wondering how you could be following the game and taking notes but not posting. Carry on.

In response to the post following this one: The best defense is a good offense. I'd rather see you find mafia than defend yourself.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 02 2016 05:49 GMT
#1511
Having said that I'll read whatever you do post. But so far I'm not impressed kus you've made a bunch of posts promising content and have managed nothing. Maybe you should have just gone to bed or posted what you have rather than promising stuff and getting mad at my snarkyness.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 02 2016 07:58 GMT
#1544
On December 02 2016 16:43 Shapelog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2016 16:35 emperorchampion wrote:
On December 02 2016 16:29 Shapelog wrote:
Talk to me Ec.

Ask me questions that I might have the answer to. Too tired to filter. Too awake to sleep.


Just want some initial read list nothing fleshed out.

Ok.

Town: Me
Scum: TBA

Question marks: Everyone


Really?

Even just reading the game and doing no further analysis you should have some reads.

@HF
You do that shit a ton, only mafia with zero experience with you might bite on it. Hell even then it would have to be stupid mafia to not question why you are suddenly dropping crumbs at night.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 02 2016 08:12 GMT
#1548
I mean you're not subtle about it. It literally looks like you are dropping crumbs. Like when you colored yourself blue in a Vote count post in some game. Hell come to think about it I think you were scum that game. So it's just something that you do.

I'll grant you it throws WIFOM at scum, but I know I would just ignore it as scum. Specially this game when you've taking the backseat and told Koshi to drive.

Maybe this is just me though I don't really do blue stuff like a normal person.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 02 2016 08:18 GMT
#1549
Meh that's kinda pointless discussion though.

Let's assume for a moment that we can't lynch either of Shape or CM8 today. Who would you guys want to lynch?

I think I'd be happy with SL and an outside chance of Onegu.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 02 2016 08:31 GMT
#1551
On December 02 2016 17:21 emperorchampion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2016 17:18 Tictock wrote:
Meh that's kinda pointless discussion though.

Let's assume for a moment that we can't lynch either of Shape or CM8 today. Who would you guys want to lynch?

I think I'd be happy with SL and an outside chance of Onegu.


Why SL over Onegu? I don't think Onegu posted in the last 24hrs?


See thes stuff I posted about him earlier. His posts today give me the heebie jeebies.

No good reason on Onegu either way, but his posts after the flip felt towny to me. Seems a bit odd to have your Framer get lynched and go "I did it! Longer filter than HF D1!" Also mafia aren't too likely to vote together and with such bad reasoning as Onegu had to vote you...

Humm maybe I'm actually TRing Onegu just not as hard as other people.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 02 2016 17:27 GMT
#1600
On December 02 2016 20:13 mahrgell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2016 13:05 Tictock wrote:
On December 02 2016 09:54 mahrgell wrote:
And one last thing I would like to remind people of:

CM8 and Shlog can not be scum together. This is simply ruled out.

Unless you are saying that they both risked being mod killed for not posting the entire night after being warned for not voting, but somehow submitted a nightkill!

There is at least one active scum around.
And now if you apply this logic, this is actually making the Shlog train much weaker.
Assume you give CM8 a chance of 30% to be scum. This means Shlog has maximum 70% if there is guaranteed to be one scum between those two. And there is still the chance neither is scum.
If you now tell me SHLOG SCUM 100%... Okay. Then you have to really convince me why CM8 can't be scum.


Nah it's totes possible man. Send the kill in via phone or w/e but don't have the energy to actually make posts.

Shape even posted RIGHT after start of day, so even if CM8 is scum and has given up on the game then at least shape could have posted the kill.

Maybe it's not Shape/CM8, but this is not a good reason why it's not them. You are assuming a little too much.


Uhm, I actually had to read the rules aafter EoN because I was sure they would both be modkilled for not posting.
My line of thought was, that it requires tremendous "balls" (but honestly I dont see it as something positive here) to risk getting modkilled for lack of activity. Both were warned, both didn't post the entire night.
If they really played the "surely btdt wont dare to modkill us, and lets submit a NK while not posting" card, I will have serious respect issues, but at least to me this is not a viable play.

But I don't really want to discuss modactions/kills, so let's drop this conversation.


Your conclusion here is correct, but let me tell you a story about how the bolder line of thought can lead you astray.

Long long ago, in a thread not so far away, a dude named Tictock rolled scum for the first time. His teammates names are unimportant so let's call them X and Y. After a day full of spamming and saying whatever he felt he needed to our hero Tictock had managed to avoid most of the suspicion and even helped get his buddy X out from the spotlight just enough that Town decided to hang what turned out to be their only blue role. The blue claimed far too late and our hero Tictock laughed at Town's mistake safely riding an alternate wagon. His buddy X however was voting for the blue and in a moment of panicked genius X invited right at EoD without placing a new vote. Town was shocked, and amazed at X's bravery. He had risked the mighty mod hammer by technically not voting, and thus they concluded he could never be Scum. Tictock, X, and Y celebrated their success and applauded X for his maneuver. As the Days went by X became more and more fearful and spoke less and less, Y eventually faultered and was found out by the Town. In the end though our hero Tictock did enough talking and X had gained so much respect for his risking the mod hammer that they managed to subvert the town and rid themselves of the Holy Guardians doo-gooders once and for all.

+ Show Spoiler [TLDR] +
In my first mafia game, Holy Guardians, I had a teammate get insane towncred by unvoting off the D1 lynch right at deadline when the guy claimed blue. Everyone said there was no way Mafia would risk a modkill trying to save a blue role. We easily rode that sentiment to victory despite my buddy never being able to keep himself posting more than the bare minimum.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 02 2016 17:32 GMT
#1601
On December 02 2016 20:34 Holyflare wrote:
You are a moron.


Hey now, let's either be civil or at least follow up a personal insult with some content.

People thinking differently from you does not equal a moron.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 02 2016 17:37 GMT
#1604
On December 02 2016 20:51 mahrgell wrote:
before I forget though:

@TT:
didn't see you comment on this one Maybe missed it, but I think you commented all my other posts but this one.


I just misread the setups and thought there was an RB in both 1 and 3.

Also host WIFOM is why I'm guessing 3, but it doesn't really matter which setup it is.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 02 2016 17:53 GMT
#1605
Humm expected a bit more activity while I slept. I hope we don't have to wait half a phase to hear from Rels again.

At this point I think it's safe to say CM8 has given up on this game.

I'm kinda with Gell on waiting for Shapes reads but I also don't see anything in his posts thus far that make me think anything but scum. HF did a nice summary of what felt wrong with his posts today.

I suppose if nothing is happening I'll try and filter Onegu and darth. I'd still like to know how in the world Onegu had me as like top teir town on D1.
I can take that responsibility.
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