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ptmc
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland306 Posts
October 27 2016 11:37 GMT
#4219
On October 27 2016 20:36 Skynx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2016 20:05 Skynx wrote:
What do you think of Exo vs Tube?

Would be great if you guys can say someting, if you've not mentioned it before and i skipped it.

i've mentioned it before
ptmc
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland306 Posts
October 27 2016 11:48 GMT
#4223
On October 27 2016 20:39 Skynx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2016 20:36 ptmc wrote:
On October 27 2016 20:07 Skynx wrote:
On October 27 2016 00:38 ptmc wrote:
On October 27 2016 00:34 Acrofales wrote:
On October 26 2016 23:29 ptmc wrote:
On October 26 2016 23:26 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 26 2016 23:17 ptmc wrote:
On October 26 2016 23:14 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 26 2016 18:29 Dandel Ion wrote:
[quote]
how do you feel about it if it was a lie tho

[quote]
idk he's already doing fish things. it's not wrong we need to lynch a couple mafia before worrying about it too much so w/e.


wave i would like you to vaguely, without being modkilled, explain why gb is conf scum scratch that boys

[quote]
[quote]
so this is about btnd i guess. and you're basing your entire read on the game on his. now that seems like top tier critical thinking to me.

[quote]
have you tried KISSing yet


I'm not basing all my scumreads on btdt's. I've said why I think WoS is Mafia, and I think you're scummy, and I think Darkness was used to save a Mafia who was probably getting lynched day2, and considering HF's and btdt's filter, that person might be lunatic or even lunatic abs Vivax


On October 05 2016 09:20 AFK Jungle wrote:

Clues:
There are no clues. All flavor is just that-- flavor.



and why would a no-lynch ability that is probably not a one-off be AI on either Lunatic or Vivax?


Why would town use no lynch that day?
There is no town motivation to do so.

There is Mafia motivation to do so.
What if both were Mafia and Koshi was saying he had a double lynxh and they would lose both players? Of course one of them or both of them are mafia


What if mafia has a no-lych and none of them are mafia? Would mafia save their cooldown?

Who cares? Vivax IS scum...


Probably, but he is not scum because mafia did a no-lynch.

This is wrong. No lynch confirms him beyond limits of the universe.

If it is a one off ability, which i don't believe.
On October 27 2016 20:29 Dandel Ion wrote:
On October 27 2016 20:25 Skynx wrote:
On October 27 2016 20:22 Dandel Ion wrote:
On October 27 2016 20:15 Skynx wrote:[...] and i think there is only one 3p.

uhm yeah
about that...

Oh you're one aswell? Nice nice 5v5v5v5 doto nice mod

aaaaaalmost
how about u read thread, come back then
oh and punch lunatic

now that sounds like a plan!

I don't follow you here. No-lynch is one off you say so it must be precious for mafia. Their motivation is to use it this early can only be explained by saving mafia members to have increased presence in the night.

That confirms Vivax as mafia.

I say no lynch is one off? No. Could it be? Maybe, but i don't think so.
Any indication of Vivax' alignment from the no lynch is wifom.
ptmc
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland306 Posts
October 27 2016 11:57 GMT
#4225
On October 27 2016 20:53 Skynx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2016 20:48 ptmc wrote:
On October 27 2016 20:39 Skynx wrote:
On October 27 2016 20:36 ptmc wrote:
On October 27 2016 20:07 Skynx wrote:
On October 27 2016 00:38 ptmc wrote:
On October 27 2016 00:34 Acrofales wrote:
On October 26 2016 23:29 ptmc wrote:
On October 26 2016 23:26 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 26 2016 23:17 ptmc wrote:
[quote]

[quote]

and why would a no-lynch ability that is probably not a one-off be AI on either Lunatic or Vivax?


Why would town use no lynch that day?
There is no town motivation to do so.

There is Mafia motivation to do so.
What if both were Mafia and Koshi was saying he had a double lynxh and they would lose both players? Of course one of them or both of them are mafia


What if mafia has a no-lych and none of them are mafia? Would mafia save their cooldown?

Who cares? Vivax IS scum...


Probably, but he is not scum because mafia did a no-lynch.

This is wrong. No lynch confirms him beyond limits of the universe.

If it is a one off ability, which i don't believe.
On October 27 2016 20:29 Dandel Ion wrote:
On October 27 2016 20:25 Skynx wrote:
On October 27 2016 20:22 Dandel Ion wrote:
On October 27 2016 20:15 Skynx wrote:[...] and i think there is only one 3p.

uhm yeah
about that...

Oh you're one aswell? Nice nice 5v5v5v5 doto nice mod

aaaaaalmost
how about u read thread, come back then
oh and punch lunatic

now that sounds like a plan!

I don't follow you here. No-lynch is one off you say so it must be precious for mafia. Their motivation is to use it this early can only be explained by saving mafia members to have increased presence in the night.

That confirms Vivax as mafia.

I say no lynch is one off? No. Could it be? Maybe, but i don't think so.
Any indication of Vivax' alignment from the no lynch is wifom.

If they have a regular cooldown no-lynch ability and you think using it doesn't confirm a lynch target mafia we might aswell give up this game right now...

Think simple man, no-lynch used to save the lynch target. Thats just the most logical assumption possible here not wifom.

so why would you (as mafia) not use a no-lynch mechanic as often as possible, even if the lynch is on a town?
ptmc
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland306 Posts
October 27 2016 12:15 GMT
#4228
On October 27 2016 21:07 Acrofales wrote:
If scum has a multiple no-lynch ability the balance for this game is fucked. Forget it. It's a one-off. Probably like Lina's ultimate non-refundable if roleblocked too.

Oh, nice catch. Apparently didn't read her role pm well enough.
But still, a one-off to deny two kills is still fine for mafia to use even if both are town, no?
ptmc
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland306 Posts
October 27 2016 12:33 GMT
#4230
On October 27 2016 21:20 Dandel Ion wrote:
yes, but saving mafia gives bonus points

and at this point, i really dont think explaining to anybody why vivax was mafia is necessary. dude posted a Seal. make up your own funny stories if you really feel the need, or just accept things as they are.

I'm not saying Vivax is not mafia. I'm saying Vivax is mafia for reasons other than the no-lynch.
Which really isn't important.
ptmc
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland306 Posts
October 27 2016 15:08 GMT
#4244
On October 27 2016 23:51 Acrofales wrote:
Also, I won't ever be able to use my sentry ward, so I might as well tell everyone exactly how they work.

I received a sentry ward at the start of N2. I figured a townie gave it to me, but it might be the mods distribute items randomly. It is a one-off watcher ability that can onlybe used at night. It is returned if roleblocked and doesn't mention redirection at all. It can't be given away and counts as an action. If you talk about the item before using it, it disappears. The ward goes to the grave with me if i die.

I believe ritoky really is actually neutral 3p mainly because of the claim. Scum/SK wouldn't use a sentry ward if they got it, and koshi targeting himself panned out. Ritoky and koshi being in the same team could be, but given the heat on koshi, is stupidly risky play. So ritokynot scum.

Thanks!
Also, to those that will still be alive when the voting happens:
We need some votes off Vivax and on Luna. Currently its 10:2, something like 7:5 should be good? Or do you need even more votes, koshi?
ptmc
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland306 Posts
October 27 2016 16:57 GMT
#4259
On October 28 2016 01:38 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Hi, sorta here but watching blizzcon. Should I switch to luna y/n?

yes, unless too many switch. Are you here EoD?
On October 28 2016 01:53 Skynx wrote:
Stay on Vivax ffs. Lunatic doesn't care so he's not gona defend, Koshi should be ignored he's just trying to stir shit up.

have a free scum read
ptmc
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland306 Posts
October 27 2016 17:21 GMT
#4266
On October 27 2016 20:57 ptmc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2016 20:53 Skynx wrote:
On October 27 2016 20:48 ptmc wrote:
On October 27 2016 20:39 Skynx wrote:
On October 27 2016 20:36 ptmc wrote:
On October 27 2016 20:07 Skynx wrote:
On October 27 2016 00:38 ptmc wrote:
On October 27 2016 00:34 Acrofales wrote:
On October 26 2016 23:29 ptmc wrote:
On October 26 2016 23:26 GlowingBear wrote:
[quote]

Why would town use no lynch that day?
There is no town motivation to do so.

There is Mafia motivation to do so.
What if both were Mafia and Koshi was saying he had a double lynxh and they would lose both players? Of course one of them or both of them are mafia


What if mafia has a no-lych and none of them are mafia? Would mafia save their cooldown?

Who cares? Vivax IS scum...


Probably, but he is not scum because mafia did a no-lynch.

This is wrong. No lynch confirms him beyond limits of the universe.

If it is a one off ability, which i don't believe.
On October 27 2016 20:29 Dandel Ion wrote:
On October 27 2016 20:25 Skynx wrote:
On October 27 2016 20:22 Dandel Ion wrote:
On October 27 2016 20:15 Skynx wrote:[...] and i think there is only one 3p.

uhm yeah
about that...

Oh you're one aswell? Nice nice 5v5v5v5 doto nice mod

aaaaaalmost
how about u read thread, come back then
oh and punch lunatic

now that sounds like a plan!

I don't follow you here. No-lynch is one off you say so it must be precious for mafia. Their motivation is to use it this early can only be explained by saving mafia members to have increased presence in the night.

That confirms Vivax as mafia.

I say no lynch is one off? No. Could it be? Maybe, but i don't think so.
Any indication of Vivax' alignment from the no lynch is wifom.

If they have a regular cooldown no-lynch ability and you think using it doesn't confirm a lynch target mafia we might aswell give up this game right now...

Think simple man, no-lynch used to save the lynch target. Thats just the most logical assumption possible here not wifom.

so why would you (as mafia) not use a no-lynch mechanic as often as possible, even if the lynch is on a town?

I'm still waiting for an answer on this.
On October 28 2016 02:04 Skynx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2016 01:57 ptmc wrote:
On October 28 2016 01:38 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Hi, sorta here but watching blizzcon. Should I switch to luna y/n?

yes, unless too many switch. Are you here EoD?
On October 28 2016 01:53 Skynx wrote:
Stay on Vivax ffs. Lunatic doesn't care so he's not gona defend, Koshi should be ignored he's just trying to stir shit up.

have a free scum read



I mean I really have hard time comprehending you guys when we have confirmed scum alive and people wanna vote other wagons. On top of that I get sr when i suggest thats a bad idea.

ok, why exactly is having lunatic as a second wagon a bad idea?
ptmc
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland306 Posts
October 27 2016 17:45 GMT
#4279
On October 28 2016 02:31 Skynx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2016 02:21 ptmc wrote:
On October 27 2016 20:57 ptmc wrote:
On October 27 2016 20:53 Skynx wrote:
On October 27 2016 20:48 ptmc wrote:
On October 27 2016 20:39 Skynx wrote:
On October 27 2016 20:36 ptmc wrote:
On October 27 2016 20:07 Skynx wrote:
On October 27 2016 00:38 ptmc wrote:
On October 27 2016 00:34 Acrofales wrote:
[quote]
Who cares? Vivax IS scum...


Probably, but he is not scum because mafia did a no-lynch.

This is wrong. No lynch confirms him beyond limits of the universe.

If it is a one off ability, which i don't believe.
On October 27 2016 20:29 Dandel Ion wrote:
On October 27 2016 20:25 Skynx wrote:
On October 27 2016 20:22 Dandel Ion wrote:
[quote]
uhm yeah
about that...

Oh you're one aswell? Nice nice 5v5v5v5 doto nice mod

aaaaaalmost
how about u read thread, come back then
oh and punch lunatic

now that sounds like a plan!

I don't follow you here. No-lynch is one off you say so it must be precious for mafia. Their motivation is to use it this early can only be explained by saving mafia members to have increased presence in the night.

That confirms Vivax as mafia.

I say no lynch is one off? No. Could it be? Maybe, but i don't think so.
Any indication of Vivax' alignment from the no lynch is wifom.

If they have a regular cooldown no-lynch ability and you think using it doesn't confirm a lynch target mafia we might aswell give up this game right now...

Think simple man, no-lynch used to save the lynch target. Thats just the most logical assumption possible here not wifom.

so why would you (as mafia) not use a no-lynch mechanic as often as possible, even if the lynch is on a town?

I'm still waiting for an answer on this.
On October 28 2016 02:04 Skynx wrote:
On October 28 2016 01:57 ptmc wrote:
On October 28 2016 01:38 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Hi, sorta here but watching blizzcon. Should I switch to luna y/n?

yes, unless too many switch. Are you here EoD?
On October 28 2016 01:53 Skynx wrote:
Stay on Vivax ffs. Lunatic doesn't care so he's not gona defend, Koshi should be ignored he's just trying to stir shit up.

have a free scum read

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GQm4ch0yoE

I mean I really have hard time comprehending you guys when we have confirmed scum alive and people wanna vote other wagons. On top of that I get sr when i suggest thats a bad idea.

ok, why exactly is having lunatic as a second wagon a bad idea?

1) Its not a bad idea, no-lynch benefits mafia almost always, especially D2. But first, that was not the point of that whole conversation and 2nd it is as Acro and I mentioned, most likely to be single use ability, if not we're fucked anyway and we should prolly call gg cuz they can just save Koshi/Lunatic tomorrow even if it has some phase cooldown.

2) Technically none. Its about the psychologic part of the game. When everyone votes for Vivax and he flips mafia, it means everything is going well for town and we just continue our path by lynching Koshi/Lunatic. Whats gona happen right now with 4 votes on Luna is that, Vivax gona flip mafia, some people gona accuse Lunatic voters for stupid reasons etc. and much unnecessary drama and town is gona get more lost which is exactly what mafia is aiming for.

TL;DR: everyone voting Vivax=undisputable result phase where town can simply move on to next objective.

1) The point of the discussion was that vivax is not confirmed scum because of the no lynch, and it still holds.
2) So killing Lunatic now just puts us ahead in our plan and gives a better read on Koshi. You just sound scummier by the minute, mate.
On October 28 2016 02:32 Skynx wrote:
Like literally, imagine the koshi double lynch claim bs never happened, do you have any reason to doubt that no-lynch only happened to ensure Vivax survives another day?

of course the no lynch only happened so that vivax survived another day (disregarding the possible double).
but how does that make vivax scum? It is just one more cycle with one more mafia either way (unless the mafia are scum read and killed off in a relatively earlier cycle because of the extra time to fuck up)
ptmc
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland306 Posts
October 27 2016 17:47 GMT
#4280
On October 28 2016 02:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
kk switching to Luna. I'll be here around EoD.
##Unvote
##Vote Lunaticman


Should I switch my attack to Kurumi in case Lunatic gets shafted through this?

poke skynx if you ask me
ptmc
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland306 Posts
October 27 2016 18:02 GMT
#4283
On October 28 2016 03:00 Koshi wrote:
Good thing I sent in my action this afternoon already.

just change it? or what do you mean
ptmc
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland306 Posts
October 27 2016 18:09 GMT
#4286
On October 28 2016 03:08 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2016 03:07 WaveofShadow wrote:
On October 28 2016 02:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
kk switching to Luna. I'll be here around EoD.
##Unvote
##Vote Lunaticman


Should I switch my attack to Kurumi in case Lunatic gets shafted through this?

IF GB dies in the next little while, sure.

wat? do you read the thread?

sometimes i feel like i'm the only one, for real
ptmc
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland306 Posts
October 27 2016 20:24 GMT
#4335
On October 28 2016 04:58 Koshi wrote:
Everything going to plan bois.

you good with 5 or do you need more?
ptmc
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland306 Posts
October 27 2016 20:31 GMT
#4337
On October 28 2016 05:30 ExO_ wrote:
Kurumi just switched votes to Vivax, but as far as I can tell isn't saying anything in the thread.

Not that there's any way Vivax gets off the hook today I just found it odd that Kurumi would even bother to switch back to the Vivax wagon with so little time left

On October 28 2016 04:57 Kurumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2016 04:56 iamperfection wrote:
On October 28 2016 04:55 Kurumi wrote:
anything I should know of?

Yeah your wasting your vote

It doesn't really matter, does it? Well, where should I put it then to prevent shenanigans?

On October 28 2016 04:58 Bill Murray wrote:
Put it on vivax or lunatic

On October 28 2016 04:59 Kurumi wrote:
Okay. Anything else?

On October 28 2016 03:09 ptmc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2016 03:08 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 28 2016 03:07 WaveofShadow wrote:
On October 28 2016 02:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
kk switching to Luna. I'll be here around EoD.
##Unvote
##Vote Lunaticman


Should I switch my attack to Kurumi in case Lunatic gets shafted through this?

IF GB dies in the next little while, sure.

wat? do you read the thread?

sometimes i feel like i'm the only one, for real

ptmc
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland306 Posts
October 27 2016 20:36 GMT
#4339
On October 28 2016 05:33 ExO_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2016 05:31 ptmc wrote:
On October 28 2016 05:30 ExO_ wrote:
Kurumi just switched votes to Vivax, but as far as I can tell isn't saying anything in the thread.

Not that there's any way Vivax gets off the hook today I just found it odd that Kurumi would even bother to switch back to the Vivax wagon with so little time left

On October 28 2016 04:57 Kurumi wrote:
On October 28 2016 04:56 iamperfection wrote:
On October 28 2016 04:55 Kurumi wrote:
anything I should know of?

Yeah your wasting your vote

It doesn't really matter, does it? Well, where should I put it then to prevent shenanigans?

On October 28 2016 04:58 Bill Murray wrote:
Put it on vivax or lunatic

On October 28 2016 04:59 Kurumi wrote:
Okay. Anything else?

On October 28 2016 03:09 ptmc wrote:
On October 28 2016 03:08 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 28 2016 03:07 WaveofShadow wrote:
On October 28 2016 02:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
kk switching to Luna. I'll be here around EoD.
##Unvote
##Vote Lunaticman


Should I switch my attack to Kurumi in case Lunatic gets shafted through this?

IF GB dies in the next little while, sure.

wat? do you read the thread?

sometimes i feel like i'm the only one, for real



RIP my reading skills

i guess that's what i'm here for now. And annoying skynx.
ptmc
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland306 Posts
October 27 2016 20:52 GMT
#4341
On October 28 2016 05:49 Dandel Ion wrote:
not the worst reason to live i've ever seen.

i guess
ptmc
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland306 Posts
October 27 2016 20:53 GMT
#4343
On October 28 2016 05:53 Skynx wrote:
Bets on Hamza alignment?

3p
ptmc
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland306 Posts
October 27 2016 21:55 GMT
#4364
On October 28 2016 06:06 disformation wrote:

Lunaticman, as Arc Warden has transcended time and space.

Starting Night 1 the following ability becomes available:
Flux
An infinitesimal fraction of the power which imprisoned the Ancients.
Alignment check a player of your choosing. Unfortunately this power is somewhat unstable working only on Radiant Heroes. An attempted check on a Dire Hero will return: Dire. This ability can be roleblocked, but not redirected.
This ability can only be used in night phases.
Please submit a PM to the main host account as:
##Flux: disformation


well, that might have been useful. What's your hero, Koshi?
ptmc
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland306 Posts
October 28 2016 12:08 GMT
#4454
I still don't see any way for skynx' posts EoD to be from town, so i'll probably case him over the weekend, if i have the time.
ptmc
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland306 Posts
October 28 2016 14:25 GMT
#4463
On October 28 2016 22:23 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2016 22:11 iamperfection wrote:
On October 28 2016 22:07 WaveofShadow wrote:
Feel like I should be posting something but I'm completely clueless at this point.

Double check ptmc and hope

IF not for the 'modconfirm' I'd think ptmc looks way worse than hopeless.

Hopeless looks good, yes. And he also thinks Skynx is scum, which is a big plus in my book currently.
You still think i'm scum for voting on you, btw?
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