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ptmc
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland306 Posts
October 26 2016 13:30 GMT
#3849
On October 26 2016 22:20 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2016 20:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On October 26 2016 20:23 ptmc wrote:
On October 26 2016 20:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On October 26 2016 20:20 ptmc wrote:
On October 26 2016 20:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On October 26 2016 20:16 ptmc wrote:
On October 26 2016 20:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
You know, it'd be a good idea if all the people up for lynch claim their roles. I can help that way.

can you elaborate on your "help"?

Removing would be an apt way of putting it.


So you help the people up for lynch by removing them? wtf

It was a cute way of saying 'hit them until they die'


I get that, but in what way does that help the people up for lynch?

That you save a lynch on them?
On October 26 2016 20:24 ExO_ wrote:
That's odd. Viper doesn't have any rival lines with any of those heroes. In fact he doesn't really relate to them from anyway. I understand that this is a mafia game and not really true to lore, but it doesn't make sense on the surface.

I'm skeptical right now. I'd be less skeptical if I knew if any of those heroes are in the game.

Something is off

I have like 15 heroes or something in my objectives total.

Wtf wtf wtf.

Okay. Too bizar a time to claim to really mistrust right now... but this is bizar. If you have 15 heroes, that's greater than half the game. Presumably you had a winching with one of the guys that flipped already. Tell us what you had to do or face death by basic attack...


true, just calculated some probabilities (x of 5 trials, 15/25 chance):
0 successes: 1%
1 or less: 8.7%
2 or less: 31.7%

So unless in his list of 15 some heroes aren't even in the game, some of his wincons are not related to the death of heroes or he straight up lies, he is a very unlucky man and should almost certainly have won already.
ptmc
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland306 Posts
October 26 2016 13:31 GMT
#3850
On October 26 2016 22:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2016 22:20 Acrofales wrote:
On October 26 2016 20:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On October 26 2016 20:23 ptmc wrote:
On October 26 2016 20:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On October 26 2016 20:20 ptmc wrote:
On October 26 2016 20:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On October 26 2016 20:16 ptmc wrote:
On October 26 2016 20:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
You know, it'd be a good idea if all the people up for lynch claim their roles. I can help that way.

can you elaborate on your "help"?

Removing would be an apt way of putting it.


So you help the people up for lynch by removing them? wtf

It was a cute way of saying 'hit them until they die'


I get that, but in what way does that help the people up for lynch?

That you save a lynch on them?
On October 26 2016 20:24 ExO_ wrote:
That's odd. Viper doesn't have any rival lines with any of those heroes. In fact he doesn't really relate to them from anyway. I understand that this is a mafia game and not really true to lore, but it doesn't make sense on the surface.

I'm skeptical right now. I'd be less skeptical if I knew if any of those heroes are in the game.

Something is off

I have like 15 heroes or something in my objectives total.

Wtf wtf wtf.

Okay. Too bizar a time to claim to really mistrust right now... but this is bizar. If you have 15 heroes, that's greater than half the game. Presumably you had a winching with one of the guys that flipped already. Tell us what you had to do or face death by basic attack...

Spectre died and was in there. He was one of the heroes I needed to deliver fatal dmg to for one of my objectives.


ok, if you actually have more complex wincons then disregard my previous post
ptmc
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland306 Posts
October 26 2016 13:43 GMT
#3863
On October 26 2016 22:37 ExO_ wrote:
Yeah I'm done with you wave. I've yet to see your contributes amount to anything substantial for town. Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if you flip scum. You couldn't care less about finding scum just about trying to appear important to survive


I don't think that has been true at least since D2. I liked your case on TS and dug some more in his filter:
On October 25 2016 07:07 Tubesock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2016 07:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Wtf happened? Koshi?
Also I got dealt 5 damage somehow.


someone attacked you.

I attacked Skynx.

Tonight I attack either Vivax or Koshi. Koshi was hit for 30 yesterday so is already wounded.

On October 26 2016 07:44 Tubesock wrote:
I hit LT with a gift. It said it would do critical damage.

I didn't receive any damage.

##Vote: Vivax


Why would he do this? Maybe to actually kill of a townie? Let Koshi live for us to lynch?
ptmc
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland306 Posts
October 26 2016 13:53 GMT
#3876
On October 26 2016 22:47 ExO_ wrote:
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On October 26 2016 22:45 WaveofShadow wrote:
On October 26 2016 22:43 ptmc wrote:
On October 26 2016 22:37 ExO_ wrote:
Yeah I'm done with you wave. I've yet to see your contributes amount to anything substantial for town. Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if you flip scum. You couldn't care less about finding scum just about trying to appear important to survive


I don't think that has been true at least since D2. I liked your case on TS and dug some more in his filter:
On October 25 2016 07:07 Tubesock wrote:
On October 25 2016 07:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Wtf happened? Koshi?
Also I got dealt 5 damage somehow.


someone attacked you.

I attacked Skynx.

Tonight I attack either Vivax or Koshi. Koshi was hit for 30 yesterday so is already wounded.

On October 26 2016 07:44 Tubesock wrote:
I hit LT with a gift. It said it would do critical damage.

I didn't receive any damage.

##Vote: Vivax


Why would he do this? Maybe to actually kill of a townie? Let Koshi live for us to lynch?

Ding ding ding ding

TS has been extremely transparent with his reads and actions. This is a silyl thing for scum to do, and not worth the attempt to 'make a play.' I also don't think he's ever required prompting. Unlike SOME people I can think of (AHEMBEARAHEM)
For that matter, Exo have you ever claimed your actions or actions taken on you either?


Yes I have. I've claimed attacking Koshi and I've claimed taking 5hp damage. Maybe if you'd stick your head out of your own ass you could read some of my posts?


what about my post
ptmc
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland306 Posts
October 26 2016 13:58 GMT
#3879
On October 26 2016 22:55 Dandel Ion wrote:
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On October 26 2016 22:53 ptmc wrote:
On October 26 2016 22:47 ExO_ wrote:
On October 26 2016 22:45 WaveofShadow wrote:
On October 26 2016 22:43 ptmc wrote:
On October 26 2016 22:37 ExO_ wrote:
Yeah I'm done with you wave. I've yet to see your contributes amount to anything substantial for town. Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if you flip scum. You couldn't care less about finding scum just about trying to appear important to survive


I don't think that has been true at least since D2. I liked your case on TS and dug some more in his filter:
On October 25 2016 07:07 Tubesock wrote:
On October 25 2016 07:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Wtf happened? Koshi?
Also I got dealt 5 damage somehow.


someone attacked you.

I attacked Skynx.

Tonight I attack either Vivax or Koshi. Koshi was hit for 30 yesterday so is already wounded.

On October 26 2016 07:44 Tubesock wrote:
I hit LT with a gift. It said it would do critical damage.

I didn't receive any damage.

##Vote: Vivax


Why would he do this? Maybe to actually kill of a townie? Let Koshi live for us to lynch?

Ding ding ding ding

TS has been extremely transparent with his reads and actions. This is a silyl thing for scum to do, and not worth the attempt to 'make a play.' I also don't think he's ever required prompting. Unlike SOME people I can think of (AHEMBEARAHEM)
For that matter, Exo have you ever claimed your actions or actions taken on you either?


Yes I have. I've claimed attacking Koshi and I've claimed taking 5hp damage. Maybe if you'd stick your head out of your own ass you could read some of my posts?


what about my post

it was a fine contribution and you're a good boy.

hey, no pocketing!
but i rather wanted to hear exo_s thoughts
ptmc
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland306 Posts
October 26 2016 14:04 GMT
#3883
On October 26 2016 22:43 ptmc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2016 22:37 ExO_ wrote:
Yeah I'm done with you wave. I've yet to see your contributes amount to anything substantial for town. Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if you flip scum. You couldn't care less about finding scum just about trying to appear important to survive


I don't think that has been true at least since D2. I liked your case on TS and dug some more in his filter:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2016 07:07 Tubesock wrote:
On October 25 2016 07:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Wtf happened? Koshi?
Also I got dealt 5 damage somehow.


someone attacked you.

I attacked Skynx.

Tonight I attack either Vivax or Koshi. Koshi was hit for 30 yesterday so is already wounded.

Show nested quote +
On October 26 2016 07:44 Tubesock wrote:
I hit LT with a gift. It said it would do critical damage.

I didn't receive any damage.

##Vote: Vivax


Why would he do this? Maybe to actually kill of a townie? Let Koshi live for us to lynch?


it's literally on this page
ptmc
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland306 Posts
October 26 2016 14:13 GMT
#3889
On October 26 2016 23:08 ExO_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2016 23:04 ptmc wrote:
On October 26 2016 22:43 ptmc wrote:
On October 26 2016 22:37 ExO_ wrote:
Yeah I'm done with you wave. I've yet to see your contributes amount to anything substantial for town. Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if you flip scum. You couldn't care less about finding scum just about trying to appear important to survive


I don't think that has been true at least since D2. I liked your case on TS and dug some more in his filter:
On October 25 2016 07:07 Tubesock wrote:
On October 25 2016 07:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Wtf happened? Koshi?
Also I got dealt 5 damage somehow.


someone attacked you.

I attacked Skynx.

Tonight I attack either Vivax or Koshi. Koshi was hit for 30 yesterday so is already wounded.

On October 26 2016 07:44 Tubesock wrote:
I hit LT with a gift. It said it would do critical damage.

I didn't receive any damage.

##Vote: Vivax


Why would he do this? Maybe to actually kill of a townie? Let Koshi live for us to lynch?


it's literally on this page


hmmmm, why would he do which part?


Why would he say that he will either attack vivax/koshi and then, after LT has flipped town, claim his damage on him as well?
And why would he even attack LT in the first place?
ptmc
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland306 Posts
October 26 2016 14:15 GMT
#3891
On October 26 2016 23:08 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2016 13:18 WaveofShadow wrote:
On October 25 2016 02:35 GlowingBear wrote:
Oh and I'm okay with WoS, might be town
I dislike hopeless, would lynch in a pinch
And I dislike sicklucker but I always think he is mafia

You didn't have a problem with me here even though HF was suspicious of me longer before this

Like....you are literally calling me scum now right after you called me TOWN after posting this:
On October 24 2016 22:11 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 24 2016 13:56 WaveofShadow wrote:
Ok so hamazura has done legit fucking nothing.
I think due to weird 'newbie-to-the-site' statements and questions he's more likely to be town but he got just be one of those tricksy little hobbitses who knows to make himself look like that.
Hard to say for sure. I'd say pick him off at night or with KP but again, there are better targets I think.


Overall town really needs to step it up I think or we just lose to ourselves. Of all the people consistently under suspicion:

LT
GB
Hamazura
Exo
SL
Tubesock
Lunatic
and so on and so forth

If you are town,if you do not want to lose, pick up the slack and prove to us you're town.


Wave, there's a huge problem in people's suspucions on me: their suspicions are based on me being useless. It is right that effort is a town trait, but lack of effort isn't, per se, a scum trait.

You're basically calling scum every lurker.



oh GB

poor, poor GB.


I can call you town and change my mind, it's the nature of people who doesn't have perfect information

But having different opinions based on the same data is kinda weird, no?
ptmc
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland306 Posts
October 26 2016 14:17 GMT
#3892
On October 26 2016 23:14 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2016 18:29 Dandel Ion wrote:
On October 26 2016 11:38 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 26 2016 07:24 Dandel Ion wrote:
anyway afk until vivax' flip


This is scummy

how do you feel about it if it was a lie tho

On October 26 2016 12:12 WaveofShadow wrote:
On October 26 2016 12:03 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 26 2016 12:02 ritoky wrote:
On October 26 2016 11:41 WaveofShadow wrote:
On October 26 2016 11:32 ritoky wrote:
also if iamp is mafia, it is because he takes more than he gives. dunno if he is though.

So are you voting alongside us/helping us for now so the game continues?
I assume you just leave the game if you just get to where you want?

Is there anything that you're not telling us that can affect us in any particular way? Like can you recruit as some people were suggesting?


i need 1 or 2 mafia to die for enough phases to win i believe. i don't recruit, i don't get more votes, and i believe i disappear upon completing my objective.

i have a move + attack each day phase.

that's pretty much it. so yes i need to town side.

Who wants to CC ritoky? because otherwise I advocate straight up ignoring him until we clear out a couple mafia.

I wouldn't waste a cc on him. I bet there is something he's not telling us but overall he does seem fairly harmless, and if he helps us kill scum I'm cool with him

idk he's already doing fish things. it's not wrong we need to lynch a couple mafia before worrying about it too much so w/e.


wave i would like you to vaguely, without being modkilled, explain why gb is conf scum scratch that boys

On October 26 2016 13:05 GlowingBear wrote:
He was suspicious of WoS, called Exo lunatic and Skynx mafia. Also called dandelion Mafia.

On October 26 2016 13:07 GlowingBear wrote:
WoS, dandelion, skynx, Exo, lunaticman

Probs mafia team

so this is about btnd i guess. and you're basing your entire read on the game on his. now that seems like top tier critical thinking to me.

On October 26 2016 16:59 ExO_ wrote:
I swear to god this happens in literally every single game I play on TL. Every time I think I make a really good case it gets dismissed and not discussed. Every single time. Its so frustrating. Am I really making that many leaps of logic with my read? I don't think so at all yet nobody will even give my case time of day

have you tried KISSing yet


I'm not basing all my scumreads on btdt's. I've said why I think WoS is Mafia, and I think you're scummy, and I think Darkness was used to save a Mafia who was probably getting lynched day2, and considering HF's and btdt's filter, that person might be lunatic or even lunatic abs Vivax


On October 05 2016 09:20 AFK Jungle wrote:

Clues:
There are no clues. All flavor is just that-- flavor.



and why would a no-lynch ability that is probably not a one-off be AI on either Lunatic or Vivax?
ptmc
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland306 Posts
October 26 2016 14:29 GMT
#3898
On October 26 2016 23:26 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2016 23:17 ptmc wrote:
On October 26 2016 23:14 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 26 2016 18:29 Dandel Ion wrote:
On October 26 2016 11:38 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 26 2016 07:24 Dandel Ion wrote:
anyway afk until vivax' flip


This is scummy

how do you feel about it if it was a lie tho

On October 26 2016 12:12 WaveofShadow wrote:
On October 26 2016 12:03 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 26 2016 12:02 ritoky wrote:
On October 26 2016 11:41 WaveofShadow wrote:
On October 26 2016 11:32 ritoky wrote:
also if iamp is mafia, it is because he takes more than he gives. dunno if he is though.

So are you voting alongside us/helping us for now so the game continues?
I assume you just leave the game if you just get to where you want?

Is there anything that you're not telling us that can affect us in any particular way? Like can you recruit as some people were suggesting?


i need 1 or 2 mafia to die for enough phases to win i believe. i don't recruit, i don't get more votes, and i believe i disappear upon completing my objective.

i have a move + attack each day phase.

that's pretty much it. so yes i need to town side.

Who wants to CC ritoky? because otherwise I advocate straight up ignoring him until we clear out a couple mafia.

I wouldn't waste a cc on him. I bet there is something he's not telling us but overall he does seem fairly harmless, and if he helps us kill scum I'm cool with him

idk he's already doing fish things. it's not wrong we need to lynch a couple mafia before worrying about it too much so w/e.


wave i would like you to vaguely, without being modkilled, explain why gb is conf scum scratch that boys

On October 26 2016 13:05 GlowingBear wrote:
He was suspicious of WoS, called Exo lunatic and Skynx mafia. Also called dandelion Mafia.

On October 26 2016 13:07 GlowingBear wrote:
WoS, dandelion, skynx, Exo, lunaticman

Probs mafia team

so this is about btnd i guess. and you're basing your entire read on the game on his. now that seems like top tier critical thinking to me.

On October 26 2016 16:59 ExO_ wrote:
I swear to god this happens in literally every single game I play on TL. Every time I think I make a really good case it gets dismissed and not discussed. Every single time. Its so frustrating. Am I really making that many leaps of logic with my read? I don't think so at all yet nobody will even give my case time of day

have you tried KISSing yet


I'm not basing all my scumreads on btdt's. I've said why I think WoS is Mafia, and I think you're scummy, and I think Darkness was used to save a Mafia who was probably getting lynched day2, and considering HF's and btdt's filter, that person might be lunatic or even lunatic abs Vivax


On October 05 2016 09:20 AFK Jungle wrote:

Clues:
There are no clues. All flavor is just that-- flavor.



and why would a no-lynch ability that is probably not a one-off be AI on either Lunatic or Vivax?


Why would town use no lynch that day?
There is no town motivation to do so.

There is Mafia motivation to do so.
What if both were Mafia and Koshi was saying he had a double lynxh and they would lose both players? Of course one of them or both of them are mafia


What if mafia has a no-lych and none of them are mafia? Would mafia save their cooldown?
ptmc
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland306 Posts
October 26 2016 14:33 GMT
#3907
On October 26 2016 23:30 GlowingBear wrote:
I ask all of you willingness to interact with me. I have 5 pages of filter, it's not that much to read, and if you keep ignoring me/tunneled on me and not willing to reconsider your positions I'll just peace out and let you lose to goddammn obv Mafia

I have read your filter and have found nothing helpful for town in it. If you are scum or town doesn't even matter to me at that point, since even as town you apparently are not willing to help town win.
And i don't want a harder check claim than this (you even quoted it):
On October 26 2016 11:41 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2016 09:00 WaveofShadow wrote:
##vote: Vivax

My list as of last night still stands, except without the giant bold red letters on sicklucker.
Assuming most (if not all) of the town believes I am town as well, why exactly did so many people still shoot into LT tonight? I suppose I can't blame you guys entirely, but Tubesock you especially (assuming you did the brunt of the damage) wasting a massive KP for town on him when I didn't list him as scum----especially when you've had me hard town forever? Bleh.

Anyway, THIS LIST, in case people have ignored it so far:

Vivax
Glowingbear
Lunatic
Kurumi
Exo
Hamazura (???)
Artanis
sicklucker
Koshi


They all need to die. In something like this order, preferably. (I added Exo)

Glowingbear is scum.
I have confirmed this, and no, you don't need to know how.
Why am I claiming this now when Vivax is already up?
In case other people have some daytime stuff we can do to remove him. I'd give Koshi a chance here to do his thing today, but the reason he is on the list, is as I stated last night, it is nearly impossible to tell if he performed the no lynch action himself or if it was instigated by scum. If he is able to do it again today, we'll obviously know but until he proves himself town somehow (since a secret vote-damage-killing ability is not even remotely solely pro-town like he says) he needs to be on the block. As I believe he is likely at low life, this shouldn't be difficult.

There are probably one or two people I'm missing and maybe someone who's wrong on there. The lurk makes things fairly difficult, but I don't believe I am massively wrong. The people who are under some amount of suspicion like Ritoky (who I have zero reason not to believe his claim), Skynx, Tubesock and Bill Murray I am fine with.

As far as sicklucker---ugh. What I said about him last night is basically true. He's in Koshi tier right now because I can't be absolutely certain he isn't being the ballsiest scum ever---I could swear he has flat out claimed or made massive fakeclaims as scum before and had it work out for him. I don't know why I think this either but I'm not going to do the legwork involved. If somebody else wants to they're more than welcome. In any case, probabyl low priority right now but eventually he may have to be removed.

Iamp you're in HF tier for me right now---that is I'm a little paranoid. You're universally townread I believe and since you can't be 3P anymore (probably) the fact that you're still alive and mostly unscathed is concerning, but not to such a degree that I;m willing to even remotely focus on you above anyone else I've listed. Just some thoughts for the future (and I say HF tier because I'm sure you could be thinking the same about me if you're town---this is how HF and I play every game together. Neither of us ever truly trust the other.)

I can't be certain if protection was used on me last night (well I can, but you guys don't need to know how I'd know that either) but I didn't take any damage. Don't claim if you helped me out.

Random thoughts:
Scum KP likely works (I hope) similarly to how I did it in LoL mafia. There is likely some large amount of factional KP (whether this has to be delivered is a hosting choice I guess, and only somewhat relevant right now), and hopefully this can be reduced once we finally start picking them off. I would say if they can somehow prevent Vivax from dying AGAIN today we're probably super fucked because it seems as though they decided to chunk a few people last night instead of outright killing any one person just in case of protection. As such, use protection accordingly.

I should be able to do a bunch more going forward assuming I'm not silenced again or somebody does something real derpy.

I know this was kinda disjointed but I wanted to get some thoughts out while they were somewhat fresh.
There might be more.


When I flip green you know who to lynch


Your last sentence is however correct. It's kinda sad that you help town the most when you have died.
ptmc
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland306 Posts
October 26 2016 14:39 GMT
#3913
On October 26 2016 23:36 GlowingBear wrote:
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On October 26 2016 23:32 WaveofShadow wrote:
No what I thought you were saying was before when you called me town for something earlier in the game, nothing actually changed, and now you're calling me scum for it.

Then you just explained it as being because some townies are dead who called me scum, when those townies (HF specifically) called me scum much earlier in the game when you still thought I was town.

Nothing has changed except for the fact that HF is dead now.

Care to explain it better then?


Two townies that suspected you being dead by Mafia reinforces my scum read on you. It's not the basis of it.

My opinion on why you're scun is that you're soft claimibg a check on me when it's impossible, and because you're tunneled on me since day1 without a clear reason for why I would be Mafia, and avoiding answering the questions I direct to you.


So why am i not scum? because no dead townies thought i was scum? I've also had you on my scum-pile since D1.
ptmc
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland306 Posts
October 26 2016 14:47 GMT
#3925
On October 26 2016 23:38 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2016 23:33 ptmc wrote:
On October 26 2016 23:30 GlowingBear wrote:
I ask all of you willingness to interact with me. I have 5 pages of filter, it's not that much to read, and if you keep ignoring me/tunneled on me and not willing to reconsider your positions I'll just peace out and let you lose to goddammn obv Mafia

I have read your filter and have found nothing helpful for town in it. If you are scum or town doesn't even matter to me at that point, since even as town you apparently are not willing to help town win.
And i don't want a harder check claim than this (you even quoted it):
On October 26 2016 11:41 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 26 2016 09:00 WaveofShadow wrote:
##vote: Vivax

My list as of last night still stands, except without the giant bold red letters on sicklucker.
Assuming most (if not all) of the town believes I am town as well, why exactly did so many people still shoot into LT tonight? I suppose I can't blame you guys entirely, but Tubesock you especially (assuming you did the brunt of the damage) wasting a massive KP for town on him when I didn't list him as scum----especially when you've had me hard town forever? Bleh.

Anyway, THIS LIST, in case people have ignored it so far:

Vivax
Glowingbear
Lunatic
Kurumi
Exo
Hamazura (???)
Artanis
sicklucker
Koshi


They all need to die. In something like this order, preferably. (I added Exo)

Glowingbear is scum.
I have confirmed this, and no, you don't need to know how.
Why am I claiming this now when Vivax is already up?
In case other people have some daytime stuff we can do to remove him. I'd give Koshi a chance here to do his thing today, but the reason he is on the list, is as I stated last night, it is nearly impossible to tell if he performed the no lynch action himself or if it was instigated by scum. If he is able to do it again today, we'll obviously know but until he proves himself town somehow (since a secret vote-damage-killing ability is not even remotely solely pro-town like he says) he needs to be on the block. As I believe he is likely at low life, this shouldn't be difficult.

There are probably one or two people I'm missing and maybe someone who's wrong on there. The lurk makes things fairly difficult, but I don't believe I am massively wrong. The people who are under some amount of suspicion like Ritoky (who I have zero reason not to believe his claim), Skynx, Tubesock and Bill Murray I am fine with.

As far as sicklucker---ugh. What I said about him last night is basically true. He's in Koshi tier right now because I can't be absolutely certain he isn't being the ballsiest scum ever---I could swear he has flat out claimed or made massive fakeclaims as scum before and had it work out for him. I don't know why I think this either but I'm not going to do the legwork involved. If somebody else wants to they're more than welcome. In any case, probabyl low priority right now but eventually he may have to be removed.

Iamp you're in HF tier for me right now---that is I'm a little paranoid. You're universally townread I believe and since you can't be 3P anymore (probably) the fact that you're still alive and mostly unscathed is concerning, but not to such a degree that I;m willing to even remotely focus on you above anyone else I've listed. Just some thoughts for the future (and I say HF tier because I'm sure you could be thinking the same about me if you're town---this is how HF and I play every game together. Neither of us ever truly trust the other.)

I can't be certain if protection was used on me last night (well I can, but you guys don't need to know how I'd know that either) but I didn't take any damage. Don't claim if you helped me out.

Random thoughts:
Scum KP likely works (I hope) similarly to how I did it in LoL mafia. There is likely some large amount of factional KP (whether this has to be delivered is a hosting choice I guess, and only somewhat relevant right now), and hopefully this can be reduced once we finally start picking them off. I would say if they can somehow prevent Vivax from dying AGAIN today we're probably super fucked because it seems as though they decided to chunk a few people last night instead of outright killing any one person just in case of protection. As such, use protection accordingly.

I should be able to do a bunch more going forward assuming I'm not silenced again or somebody does something real derpy.

I know this was kinda disjointed but I wanted to get some thoughts out while they were somewhat fresh.
There might be more.


When I flip green you know who to lynch


Your last sentence is however correct. It's kinda sad that you help town the most when you have died.


Then I won't waste more of my time. If you think there's nothing informational in my filter, then I'm over with this game.
Kill me and keep losing.
Bye bye


I just re-read your filter again, and the most exciting thing in it was that HF also scum-read you.
Have you tried to read it? Anything specific you want to point out to being helpful towards town?
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and flood-controlled
ptmc
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland306 Posts
October 26 2016 14:57 GMT
#3935
techies was already claimed tho, any other roles you want?
ptmc
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland306 Posts
October 26 2016 15:01 GMT
#3941
Did you get one?
ptmc
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland306 Posts
October 26 2016 15:02 GMT
#3942
On October 26 2016 23:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Who claimed techies?

dandel
ptmc
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland306 Posts
October 26 2016 15:06 GMT
#3947
On October 20 2016 07:06 Dandel Ion wrote:
i got teemo btw

which gives
http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=2544404&page=1
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damn flood control
ptmc
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland306 Posts
October 26 2016 15:12 GMT
#3949
On October 27 2016 00:08 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2016 00:06 ptmc wrote:
On October 20 2016 07:06 Dandel Ion wrote:
i got teemo btw

which gives
http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=2544404&page=1
+ Show Spoiler +
damn flood control

Ugh, I opened a LoL link, I hope I won't get cooties.

You could just have believed me and thanked me for my noble sacrifice
ptmc
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland306 Posts
October 26 2016 15:24 GMT
#3956
On October 27 2016 00:18 Dandel Ion wrote:
when i claimed teemo i didn't know dota had a teemo too

like i actually did plenty of soft crumbs on random mobo tropes early d1 to troll and confuse people into maybe thinking i was champs im not in case there were assassins (turns out there may be!)
but thats not even one of those
that was just joke

well now we're never going to find out if vivax could have been spooked out of his claim
And damn, never trusting lol sites again. What a bunch of bastards.
ptmc
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland306 Posts
October 26 2016 15:38 GMT
#3969
On October 27 2016 00:34 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2016 23:29 ptmc wrote:
On October 26 2016 23:26 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 26 2016 23:17 ptmc wrote:
On October 26 2016 23:14 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 26 2016 18:29 Dandel Ion wrote:
On October 26 2016 11:38 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 26 2016 07:24 Dandel Ion wrote:
anyway afk until vivax' flip


This is scummy

how do you feel about it if it was a lie tho

On October 26 2016 12:12 WaveofShadow wrote:
On October 26 2016 12:03 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 26 2016 12:02 ritoky wrote:
On October 26 2016 11:41 WaveofShadow wrote:
[quote]
So are you voting alongside us/helping us for now so the game continues?
I assume you just leave the game if you just get to where you want?

Is there anything that you're not telling us that can affect us in any particular way? Like can you recruit as some people were suggesting?


i need 1 or 2 mafia to die for enough phases to win i believe. i don't recruit, i don't get more votes, and i believe i disappear upon completing my objective.

i have a move + attack each day phase.

that's pretty much it. so yes i need to town side.

Who wants to CC ritoky? because otherwise I advocate straight up ignoring him until we clear out a couple mafia.

I wouldn't waste a cc on him. I bet there is something he's not telling us but overall he does seem fairly harmless, and if he helps us kill scum I'm cool with him

idk he's already doing fish things. it's not wrong we need to lynch a couple mafia before worrying about it too much so w/e.


wave i would like you to vaguely, without being modkilled, explain why gb is conf scum scratch that boys

On October 26 2016 13:05 GlowingBear wrote:
He was suspicious of WoS, called Exo lunatic and Skynx mafia. Also called dandelion Mafia.

On October 26 2016 13:07 GlowingBear wrote:
WoS, dandelion, skynx, Exo, lunaticman

Probs mafia team

so this is about btnd i guess. and you're basing your entire read on the game on his. now that seems like top tier critical thinking to me.

On October 26 2016 16:59 ExO_ wrote:
I swear to god this happens in literally every single game I play on TL. Every time I think I make a really good case it gets dismissed and not discussed. Every single time. Its so frustrating. Am I really making that many leaps of logic with my read? I don't think so at all yet nobody will even give my case time of day

have you tried KISSing yet


I'm not basing all my scumreads on btdt's. I've said why I think WoS is Mafia, and I think you're scummy, and I think Darkness was used to save a Mafia who was probably getting lynched day2, and considering HF's and btdt's filter, that person might be lunatic or even lunatic abs Vivax


On October 05 2016 09:20 AFK Jungle wrote:

Clues:
There are no clues. All flavor is just that-- flavor.



and why would a no-lynch ability that is probably not a one-off be AI on either Lunatic or Vivax?


Why would town use no lynch that day?
There is no town motivation to do so.

There is Mafia motivation to do so.
What if both were Mafia and Koshi was saying he had a double lynxh and they would lose both players? Of course one of them or both of them are mafia


What if mafia has a no-lych and none of them are mafia? Would mafia save their cooldown?

Who cares? Vivax IS scum...


Probably, but he is not scum because mafia did a no-lynch.
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