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On October 26 2016 17:03 Bill Murray wrote:
i like exo's ts read a lot
why?
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On October 26 2016 19:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Game is boring, and I'm lazy. Claiming 3p. Can't say much about my wincon other than that there's a bunch of them and if I claim them they become invalid so I can't :|. They're mostly related to characters so I have no idea if those are town or mafia. It's why I've been smugly saying "not scum" every time wave pinged me 
So you have several win conditions, but can't discuss any of them. How can we know your win conditions are town aligned? What incentive do you have to work with town to find and kill scum?
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On October 26 2016 19:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2016 19:34 ExO_ wrote:On October 26 2016 19:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Game is boring, and I'm lazy. Claiming 3p. Can't say much about my wincon other than that there's a bunch of them and if I claim them they become invalid so I can't :|. They're mostly related to characters so I have no idea if those are town or mafia. It's why I've been smugly saying "not scum" every time wave pinged me So you have several win conditions, but can't discuss any of them. How can we know your win conditions are town aligned? What incentive do you have to work with town to find and kill scum? They're related to dealing with certain heroes. Since I have no idea who they are or what alignment they are I mind as well work with town to find scum. My incentive is to have the game last longer so I can actually achieve said wincons.
Then tell us some of the hero names. That could potentially be a big help. If we know some of the other heroes we can maybe work out potentially what they might do.
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And what is your hero name then Artanis?
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That's odd. Viper doesn't have any rival lines with any of those heroes. In fact he doesn't really relate to them from anyway. I understand that this is a mafia game and not really true to lore, but it doesn't make sense on the surface.
I'm skeptical right now. I'd be less skeptical if I knew if any of those heroes are in the game.
Something is off
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*ebwop relate to them in any way
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On October 26 2016 20:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2016 20:23 ptmc wrote:On October 26 2016 20:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On October 26 2016 20:20 ptmc wrote:On October 26 2016 20:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On October 26 2016 20:16 ptmc wrote:On October 26 2016 20:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
You know, it'd be a good idea if all the people up for lynch claim their roles. I can help that way. can you elaborate on your "help"? Removing would be an apt way of putting it. So you help the people up for lynch by removing them? wtf It was a cute way of saying 'hit them until they die' I get that, but in what way does that help the people up for lynch? That you save a lynch on them? Show nested quote +On October 26 2016 20:24 ExO_ wrote:
That's odd. Viper doesn't have any rival lines with any of those heroes. In fact he doesn't really relate to them from anyway. I understand that this is a mafia game and not really true to lore, but it doesn't make sense on the surface.
I'm skeptical right now. I'd be less skeptical if I knew if any of those heroes are in the game.
Something is off I have like 15 heroes or something in my objectives total.
You went from 5 to 15. Alright idk what your objective is but I'm fairly certain you are lying. If it looks like scum, and walks like scum....
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On October 26 2016 20:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2016 20:27 ExO_ wrote:On October 26 2016 20:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On October 26 2016 20:23 ptmc wrote:On October 26 2016 20:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On October 26 2016 20:20 ptmc wrote:On October 26 2016 20:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On October 26 2016 20:16 ptmc wrote:On October 26 2016 20:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
You know, it'd be a good idea if all the people up for lynch claim their roles. I can help that way. can you elaborate on your "help"? Removing would be an apt way of putting it. So you help the people up for lynch by removing them? wtf It was a cute way of saying 'hit them until they die' I get that, but in what way does that help the people up for lynch? That you save a lynch on them? On October 26 2016 20:24 ExO_ wrote:
That's odd. Viper doesn't have any rival lines with any of those heroes. In fact he doesn't really relate to them from anyway. I understand that this is a mafia game and not really true to lore, but it doesn't make sense on the surface.
I'm skeptical right now. I'd be less skeptical if I knew if any of those heroes are in the game.
Something is off I have like 15 heroes or something in my objectives total. You went from 5 to 15. Alright idk what your objective is but I'm fairly certain you are lying. If it looks like scum, and walks like scum.... I never mentioned having '5'. You asked me to name some and I named some. Naming them all would be very silly.
You can argue semantics all you want, but to list 4, then specifically mention 1 other implies 5 pretty heavily. Otherwise why add legion commander to the list you mentioned?
Especially as viper. Viper is the most boring ass hero in dota and for him to have a complicated role like this makes no sense. I'm not sure if I'm allowed to use this argument, but I cannot see a world in which the game designers used Viper (one of the heroes with the smallest amount of lore and fewest "rivals") to be this super complicated role with interactions to all of these different heroes.
You are lying.
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On October 26 2016 20:49 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'm pretty annoyed with the lack of discussion of the stuff I posted.
Especially the vote count thing.
Does everyone really just agree with me blindly? I mean that's cool and all but I'm not really used to it.
Quote yourself and I'll look at it now
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On October 26 2016 21:01 WaveofShadow wrote:Here ya go, but I bet you're not gonna like it..... :D :D Show nested quote +On October 26 2016 09:38 WaveofShadow wrote:
This is gold, actually.
Tictock (8); Vivax, Holyflare, iamperfection, Lord Tolkien, Tubesock, Dandel Ion, ritoky, Bill Murray, Koshi, beentheredonethat
Koshi (4): Lunaticman, beentheredonethat, Skynx, TubeSock, beentheredonethat, sicklucker
Lunaticman (1): ritoky, Koshi, HamazuraXTakitsubo, sicklucker, Skynx
Vivax (2): Tubesock, iamperfection, Hopeless1der, Koshi, Acrofales, Dandel Ion
Lord Tolkien (2): Kurumi, WaveofShadow
WaveofShadow (1): ExO_, Bill Murray, ptmc
Dandel Ion (1): beentheredonethat, ExO_
ritoky (1): Holyflare, Koshi, GlowingBear
Look at the votes, and compare them to my list.
Tictock (8); Vivax, Holyflare, iamperfection, Lord Tolkien, Tubesock, Dandel Ion, ritoky, Bill Murray, Koshi, beentheredonethat
Koshi (4): Lunaticman, beentheredonethat, Skynx, TubeSock, beentheredonethat, sicklucker
Lunaticman (1): ritoky, Koshi, HamazuraXTakitsubo, sicklucker, Skynx
Vivax (2): Tubesock, iamperfection, Hopeless1der, Koshi, Acrofales, Dandel Ion
Lord Tolkien (2): Kurumi, WaveofShadow
WaveofShadow (1): ExO_, Bill Murray, ptmc
Dandel Ion (1): beentheredonethat, ExO_
ritoky (1): Holyflare, Koshi, GlowingBear
I mean, call it confirmation bias if you want, but it looks REEEEAAAALLL good to me.
No scum on Vivax, everyone else spread way the hell out.
I think how the votes got there matters just as much (for example see my post on the Day 1 voting situation). Personally I got wrapped up in civ 6 stuff and didn't see the point in changing my vote. I find it very interesting that you point out Kurumi when you yourself are sitting on LT with him. Did you mean to call out yourself with this post as well?
In fact what am I supposed to get from this? You highlighted a bunch of names but didn't really explain how the way these votes ended up indicates scum or town.
So it looks to me 100% like confirmation bias. But to give you a fair shake:
Explain to me why you think I'm scum, other than the fact that I was mostly CIV6afk for a bit.
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On October 26 2016 21:05 WaveofShadow wrote:
Also I gotta say it looks even worse on ExO that he didn't bother commenting on any of that at all until prompted.
Ptmc you at the very least mentioned it.
commented on all of what until prompted?
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On October 26 2016 21:59 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2016 21:57 Dandel Ion wrote:On October 26 2016 21:52 Koshi wrote:On October 26 2016 21:50 Dandel Ion wrote:On October 26 2016 21:48 Koshi wrote:On October 26 2016 21:46 Dandel Ion wrote:
claim he needs 10 wincons
'oops guys not quite there yet'
'nope still not quite, just do random thing X for me'
'i guess that wasn't enough! let me just kill a coulpe people'
i can see into the future. Well, force him to claim so we can put on the bullshit detector at least. join me in punching him he'll sing pretty soon. Why do you believe ritoky his claim over Artanis? Artanis his role I can understand the mechanics. What does ritoky do? N1 Clone (tell the game on clone account he is 3p) N2 Clone N3 Clone N4 Clone D5 win and remove from game? EXCITING! i dont but he has the hp pool thing and/or some other sort of punching protection, unless he was lying about not taking damage. which i certainly wouldnt dismiss. we're prolly gonna need to lynch him at some point. seeing as we lynch vivax today, and kurumi tomorrow, lynching him d5 if he's still in the game is fine so we punch the other one. ez Well or lunaticman. I think our KP is better served on GB/other scummers though.
I'm still waiting
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On October 26 2016 22:24 WaveofShadow wrote:Alright let's get to this Exo thing. Show nested quote +On October 26 2016 21:06 ExO_ wrote:On October 26 2016 21:01 WaveofShadow wrote:Here ya go, but I bet you're not gonna like it..... :D :D On October 26 2016 09:38 WaveofShadow wrote:
This is gold, actually.
Tictock (8); Vivax, Holyflare, iamperfection, Lord Tolkien, Tubesock, Dandel Ion, ritoky, Bill Murray, Koshi, beentheredonethat
Koshi (4): Lunaticman, beentheredonethat, Skynx, TubeSock, beentheredonethat, sicklucker
Lunaticman (1): ritoky, Koshi, HamazuraXTakitsubo, sicklucker, Skynx
Vivax (2): Tubesock, iamperfection, Hopeless1der, Koshi, Acrofales, Dandel Ion
Lord Tolkien (2): Kurumi, WaveofShadow
WaveofShadow (1): ExO_, Bill Murray, ptmc
Dandel Ion (1): beentheredonethat, ExO_
ritoky (1): Holyflare, Koshi, GlowingBear
Look at the votes, and compare them to my list.
Tictock (8); Vivax, Holyflare, iamperfection, Lord Tolkien, Tubesock, Dandel Ion, ritoky, Bill Murray, Koshi, beentheredonethat
Koshi (4): Lunaticman, beentheredonethat, Skynx, TubeSock, beentheredonethat, sicklucker
Lunaticman (1): ritoky, Koshi, HamazuraXTakitsubo, sicklucker, Skynx
Vivax (2): Tubesock, iamperfection, Hopeless1der, Koshi, Acrofales, Dandel Ion
Lord Tolkien (2): Kurumi, WaveofShadow
WaveofShadow (1): ExO_, Bill Murray, ptmc
Dandel Ion (1): beentheredonethat, ExO_
ritoky (1): Holyflare, Koshi, GlowingBear
I mean, call it confirmation bias if you want, but it looks REEEEAAAALLL good to me.
No scum on Vivax, everyone else spread way the hell out.
I think how the votes got there matters just as much (for example see my post on the Day 1 voting situation). Personally I got wrapped up in civ 6 stuff and didn't see the point in changing my vote. I find it very interesting that you point out Kurumi when you yourself are sitting on LT with him. Did you mean to call out yourself with this post as well? In fact what am I supposed to get from this? You highlighted a bunch of names but didn't really explain how the way these votes ended up indicates scum or town. So it looks to me 100% like confirmation bias. But to give you a fair shake: Explain to me why you think I'm scum, other than the fact that I was mostly CIV6afk for a bit. Did I mean to call out myself? Sure I did. Point being, I know I'm town and I have explained on numerous occasions why I stuck on LT that day. Had I been around and seen to change my vote I would undoubtedly have changed to TT (and been wrong anyway, but that's besides the point). So the fact that my vote is also a throwaway is irrelevant to my purposes and should in theory also be to everyone else's but you're right in that I suppose I can't necessarily expect everyone else to ignore it the same way. I'll explain the vote analysis a little further though. Scum are very paranoid when it comes to voting. There are a couple of main patterns that are typically followed. One is that they will pick a target and stick with said target to absolve themselves of the responsibility to switch or potentially be forced to bus/nail their own teammate. The second is that they will spread themselves out fairly thin so as to avoid any incidental lynches or shenanigans and once again to absolve themselves of responsibility if they are afk at lynch time. Also this helps if vote analysis is done later and a couple scummers are voting for the same obvious townie or something---it just looks really bad and one of the absolute most important things scum are worried about is looking bad. Most of the people I highlighted fit both of the above voting patterns in many cases, and all of them I believe fit at least one of them. Combined with their general scumminess throughout the game and you have yourself a slam dunk analysis imo. You yourself mention you didn't 'see the point' in changing your vote since you were busy playing Civ. You fit into both categories---you were stuck on Dandel for who knows what reason when basically nobody else was (he was one of the people instrumental in leading lynches and so people trusted him) and you didn't care that your vote was spread out/useless. I have you a bit lower on my list on purpose I I do believe there is a chance you could be town, but I'm still not sure how I feel after your 'rabid and wholely useless attack on me D1 and nothing useful after that' strategy.
At the time, Dandel was not instrumental in leading any lynches. In fact I'm not even sure I'd call him "instrumental" at all here yet.
On October 26 2016 09:38 WaveofShadow wrote:
I have you a bit lower on my list on purpose I I do believe there is a chance you could be town, but I'm still not sure how I feel after your 'rabid and wholely useless attack on me D1 and nothing useful after that' strategy.
Basically on day 1 you trolled instead of working with me. I made numerous attempts to get you to communicate with me, and instead you thumbed your nose at me and were an ass. Your case on me boils down to an OMGUS.
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On October 26 2016 22:27 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2016 21:07 ExO_ wrote:On October 26 2016 21:05 WaveofShadow wrote:
Also I gotta say it looks even worse on ExO that he didn't bother commenting on any of that at all until prompted.
Ptmc you at the very least mentioned it. commented on all of what until prompted? And commenting on anything that happened last night, including the fact that I literally claimed to have 100% caught a scum, and made cases, AND interacted with him. You instead go off in your own little world about Tubesock and ignore the important things in the thread. That to me looks like you're not focusing on my case/claim and hoping it goes away.
I didn't see this. When I asked you to quote for me, you quoted your little confirmation bias post. I don't even know which scum you are claiming to have 100% caught and interacted with. Jesus Christ its like you think you are the center of the Universe. I make a case on Tubesock because I legitimate think he might be scum. He's definitely the scummiest looking person short of Vivax to me. And instead of giving my case the time of day, you think I should be focused entirely on your thoughts?
If you want my opinions on your thoughts, give them to me when I ask. I want to work together to find scum, but all you seem to care about is getting attention for your own thoughts.
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On October 26 2016 22:31 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2016 22:28 ExO_ wrote:On October 26 2016 22:24 WaveofShadow wrote:Alright let's get to this Exo thing. On October 26 2016 21:06 ExO_ wrote:On October 26 2016 21:01 WaveofShadow wrote:Here ya go, but I bet you're not gonna like it..... :D :D On October 26 2016 09:38 WaveofShadow wrote:
This is gold, actually.
Tictock (8); Vivax, Holyflare, iamperfection, Lord Tolkien, Tubesock, Dandel Ion, ritoky, Bill Murray, Koshi, beentheredonethat
Koshi (4): Lunaticman, beentheredonethat, Skynx, TubeSock, beentheredonethat, sicklucker
Lunaticman (1): ritoky, Koshi, HamazuraXTakitsubo, sicklucker, Skynx
Vivax (2): Tubesock, iamperfection, Hopeless1der, Koshi, Acrofales, Dandel Ion
Lord Tolkien (2): Kurumi, WaveofShadow
WaveofShadow (1): ExO_, Bill Murray, ptmc
Dandel Ion (1): beentheredonethat, ExO_
ritoky (1): Holyflare, Koshi, GlowingBear
Look at the votes, and compare them to my list.
Tictock (8); Vivax, Holyflare, iamperfection, Lord Tolkien, Tubesock, Dandel Ion, ritoky, Bill Murray, Koshi, beentheredonethat
Koshi (4): Lunaticman, beentheredonethat, Skynx, TubeSock, beentheredonethat, sicklucker
Lunaticman (1): ritoky, Koshi, HamazuraXTakitsubo, sicklucker, Skynx
Vivax (2): Tubesock, iamperfection, Hopeless1der, Koshi, Acrofales, Dandel Ion
Lord Tolkien (2): Kurumi, WaveofShadow
WaveofShadow (1): ExO_, Bill Murray, ptmc
Dandel Ion (1): beentheredonethat, ExO_
ritoky (1): Holyflare, Koshi, GlowingBear
I mean, call it confirmation bias if you want, but it looks REEEEAAAALLL good to me.
No scum on Vivax, everyone else spread way the hell out.
I think how the votes got there matters just as much (for example see my post on the Day 1 voting situation). Personally I got wrapped up in civ 6 stuff and didn't see the point in changing my vote. I find it very interesting that you point out Kurumi when you yourself are sitting on LT with him. Did you mean to call out yourself with this post as well? In fact what am I supposed to get from this? You highlighted a bunch of names but didn't really explain how the way these votes ended up indicates scum or town. So it looks to me 100% like confirmation bias. But to give you a fair shake: Explain to me why you think I'm scum, other than the fact that I was mostly CIV6afk for a bit. Did I mean to call out myself? Sure I did. Point being, I know I'm town and I have explained on numerous occasions why I stuck on LT that day. Had I been around and seen to change my vote I would undoubtedly have changed to TT (and been wrong anyway, but that's besides the point). So the fact that my vote is also a throwaway is irrelevant to my purposes and should in theory also be to everyone else's but you're right in that I suppose I can't necessarily expect everyone else to ignore it the same way. I'll explain the vote analysis a little further though. Scum are very paranoid when it comes to voting. There are a couple of main patterns that are typically followed. One is that they will pick a target and stick with said target to absolve themselves of the responsibility to switch or potentially be forced to bus/nail their own teammate. The second is that they will spread themselves out fairly thin so as to avoid any incidental lynches or shenanigans and once again to absolve themselves of responsibility if they are afk at lynch time. Also this helps if vote analysis is done later and a couple scummers are voting for the same obvious townie or something---it just looks really bad and one of the absolute most important things scum are worried about is looking bad. Most of the people I highlighted fit both of the above voting patterns in many cases, and all of them I believe fit at least one of them. Combined with their general scumminess throughout the game and you have yourself a slam dunk analysis imo. You yourself mention you didn't 'see the point' in changing your vote since you were busy playing Civ. You fit into both categories---you were stuck on Dandel for who knows what reason when basically nobody else was (he was one of the people instrumental in leading lynches and so people trusted him) and you didn't care that your vote was spread out/useless. I have you a bit lower on my list on purpose I I do believe there is a chance you could be town, but I'm still not sure how I feel after your 'rabid and wholely useless attack on me D1 and nothing useful after that' strategy. At the time, Dandel was not instrumental in leading any lynches. In fact I'm not even sure I'd call him "instrumental" at all here yet. On October 26 2016 09:38 WaveofShadow wrote:
I have you a bit lower on my list on purpose I I do believe there is a chance you could be town, but I'm still not sure how I feel after your 'rabid and wholely useless attack on me D1 and nothing useful after that' strategy. Basically on day 1 you trolled instead of working with me. I made numerous attempts to get you to communicate with me, and instead you thumbed your nose at me and were an ass. Your case on me boils down to an OMGUS. Your entire attempt to communicate with me was based on role speculation, and a completely absurd one, at that. I found absolutely no use in it, and therefore had no desire to engage you. I have already listed a few things that make me think you're scum and if you think OMGUS is the only reason I think so then you're welcome to it, but as far as I can tell, that's not going to convince me you're not---and you should probably focus on that in some way since I'm the one doing a lot of the legwork atm.
Exactly what I'm talking about. You're only concerned with stroking your own ego. Whether or not you're scum looking to push town cred into everyone's face, or you're town more obsessed with screaming at everyone "HEY LOOK AT ME IM IMPORTANT" I'm not sure.
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Yeah I'm done with you wave. I've yet to see your contributes amount to anything substantial for town. Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if you flip scum. You couldn't care less about finding scum just about trying to appear important to survive
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On October 26 2016 22:39 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2016 22:37 ExO_ wrote:
Yeah I'm done with you wave. I've yet to see your contributes amount to anything substantial for town. Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if you flip scum. You couldn't care less about finding scum just about trying to appear important to survive YOURE DONE WITH ME WHEN I SAY YOU ARE I mean ok, sure. Was actually writing something up about your TS thing but I suppose I'll shelve it for now. ALL ABOARD THE GB KILLTRAIN CHOO CHOOOOOOOOOOOO
Why is my case not valid for you to look at? I'm going to ignore you, so suddenly you can't even consider what I wrote?
Real townie play right there
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I know this is derailing the thread a lot but I'm not sure what I'm supposed to do. Sitting here listening to Wave make an ass of himself and dragging me down as well isn't helping. It takes out almost all the motivation I have to play. When I work hard on making a case I'd at least like some discussion, not dealing with this bullshit.
I'm going to cool off and probably go to sleep. I'll attempt to ignore WoS for the rest of the game I guess.
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On October 26 2016 22:45 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2016 22:43 ptmc wrote:On October 26 2016 22:37 ExO_ wrote:
Yeah I'm done with you wave. I've yet to see your contributes amount to anything substantial for town. Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if you flip scum. You couldn't care less about finding scum just about trying to appear important to survive I don't think that has been true at least since D2. I liked your case on TS and dug some more in his filter: On October 25 2016 07:07 Tubesock wrote:On October 25 2016 07:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Wtf happened? Koshi?
Also I got dealt 5 damage somehow. someone attacked you. I attacked Skynx. Tonight I attack either Vivax or Koshi. Koshi was hit for 30 yesterday so is already wounded. On October 26 2016 07:44 Tubesock wrote:
I hit LT with a gift. It said it would do critical damage.
I didn't receive any damage.
##Vote: Vivax Why would he do this? Maybe to actually kill of a townie? Let Koshi live for us to lynch? Ding ding ding ding TS has been extremely transparent with his reads and actions. This is a silyl thing for scum to do, and not worth the attempt to 'make a play.' I also don't think he's ever required prompting. Unlike SOME people I can think of (AHEMBEARAHEM) For that matter, Exo have you ever claimed your actions or actions taken on you either?
Yes I have. I've claimed attacking Koshi and I've claimed taking 5hp damage. Maybe if you'd stick your head out of your own ass you could read some of my posts?
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On October 26 2016 22:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Night ExO_. + Show Spoiler +Your sleep schedule must be pretty off to go to bed at this time O_o
Yeah its really fucked lol.
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