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On October 20 2016 23:55 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2016 23:46 Kurumi wrote:On October 20 2016 23:42 Acrofales wrote:On October 20 2016 23:35 Kurumi wrote:On October 20 2016 23:33 iamperfection wrote:On October 20 2016 23:32 Kurumi wrote:On October 20 2016 23:26 iamperfection wrote:On October 20 2016 23:25 Kurumi wrote:On October 20 2016 23:23 iamperfection wrote:
Take take Holyflare all hyped up for the game trying to get more ins and then not playing.
Might direct damage at him ill block it then Why would you block it. What possible reason could you have. I don't. You don't, so we're even. Are you trying to trigger me. Holyflare not completely trash player excited to play pre not playing worth killing You are picking Holyflare over Lord Tolkien or Hopeless1der or beentheredonethat? I am supposed to be the insane one. Yes. I actually didn't mind LT's single action so far and want to see more. H1der I don't really have a read on, but he has at least been around enough to ask questions of (at one point). You can say what you like about btdt, but he's not lurking. Convince us to lynch him if you think he's scum. Holyflare is a great target for damaging. He has one shitty post with a throwaway reason for voting. He is a better player than that. You see nothing wrong in claiming KP and claiming your target so early? Besides it being on the wrong person. pretty sure everyone (or at least close) has basic KP so why not?
1) I didn't know that.
2) Openly claiming KP might let Mafia protect or stack on the person KP is claimed on. If I remember the scraps of the OP I read correctly, we won't get any information in regards to that.
3) If this claim is to make Holyflare post it's dumb. He's not around. Even if he was, he would most likely ignore it. It's not newb101 who's going to get baited.
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On October 21 2016 00:05 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2016 00:03 Kurumi wrote:On October 20 2016 23:55 Dandel Ion wrote:On October 20 2016 23:46 Kurumi wrote:On October 20 2016 23:42 Acrofales wrote:On October 20 2016 23:35 Kurumi wrote:On October 20 2016 23:33 iamperfection wrote:On October 20 2016 23:32 Kurumi wrote:On October 20 2016 23:26 iamperfection wrote:On October 20 2016 23:25 Kurumi wrote:
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ill block it then Why would you block it. What possible reason could you have. I don't. You don't, so we're even. Are you trying to trigger me. Holyflare not completely trash player excited to play pre not playing worth killing You are picking Holyflare over Lord Tolkien or Hopeless1der or beentheredonethat? I am supposed to be the insane one. Yes. I actually didn't mind LT's single action so far and want to see more. H1der I don't really have a read on, but he has at least been around enough to ask questions of (at one point). You can say what you like about btdt, but he's not lurking. Convince us to lynch him if you think he's scum. Holyflare is a great target for damaging. He has one shitty post with a throwaway reason for voting. He is a better player than that. You see nothing wrong in claiming KP and claiming your target so early? Besides it being on the wrong person. pretty sure everyone (or at least close) has basic KP so why not? 1) I didn't know that. 2) Openly claiming KP might let Mafia protect or stack on the person KP is claimed on. If I remember the scraps of the OP I read correctly, we won't get any information in regards to that. 3) If this claim is to make Holyflare post it's dumb. He's not around. Even if he was, he would most likely ignore it. It's not newb101 who's going to get baited. Why are you against killing Holyflare though? It makes no sense to me unless you have more information and why are you voting yourself makes no sense
I don't give a flying fuck about Holyflare, I give a fuck about claiming KP. Don't give Mafia more information than they already have. You want to kill him on your own? At least leave it ambiguous so you can fish for reactions. I don't even know who Holyflare has voted, I only know that he did.
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On October 21 2016 00:09 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2016 00:03 Kurumi wrote:On October 20 2016 23:55 Dandel Ion wrote:On October 20 2016 23:46 Kurumi wrote:On October 20 2016 23:42 Acrofales wrote:On October 20 2016 23:35 Kurumi wrote:On October 20 2016 23:33 iamperfection wrote:On October 20 2016 23:32 Kurumi wrote:On October 20 2016 23:26 iamperfection wrote:On October 20 2016 23:25 Kurumi wrote:
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ill block it then Why would you block it. What possible reason could you have. I don't. You don't, so we're even. Are you trying to trigger me. Holyflare not completely trash player excited to play pre not playing worth killing You are picking Holyflare over Lord Tolkien or Hopeless1der or beentheredonethat? I am supposed to be the insane one. Yes. I actually didn't mind LT's single action so far and want to see more. H1der I don't really have a read on, but he has at least been around enough to ask questions of (at one point). You can say what you like about btdt, but he's not lurking. Convince us to lynch him if you think he's scum. Holyflare is a great target for damaging. He has one shitty post with a throwaway reason for voting. He is a better player than that. You see nothing wrong in claiming KP and claiming your target so early? Besides it being on the wrong person. pretty sure everyone (or at least close) has basic KP so why not? 1) I didn't know that. 2) Openly claiming KP might let Mafia protect or stack on the person KP is claimed on. If I remember the scraps of the OP I read correctly, we won't get any information in regards to that. 3) If this claim is to make Holyflare post it's dumb. He's not around. Even if he was, he would most likely ignore it. It's not newb101 who's going to get baited. i he keeps being afk and we attempt to policy kill a town HF mafia stacking kp on him is benificial to our goals (aka they won't) if he doesnt thats way better if hes mafia and they protect him somehow we can just lynch him i dont see the downside tbh if everyone just basic attacks a different guy we'll never get enough damage together to flip a guy
Thing is I remember there being doto heroes getting stronger through killing people. No idea if items exist or how they work, but we might also donate these to Mafia. You want to lynch him - fine, but as it stands he looks like a piss poor lynch.
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On October 21 2016 00:11 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2016 00:08 Kurumi wrote:On October 21 2016 00:05 iamperfection wrote:On October 21 2016 00:03 Kurumi wrote:On October 20 2016 23:55 Dandel Ion wrote:On October 20 2016 23:46 Kurumi wrote:On October 20 2016 23:42 Acrofales wrote:On October 20 2016 23:35 Kurumi wrote:On October 20 2016 23:33 iamperfection wrote:On October 20 2016 23:32 Kurumi wrote:
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I don't. You don't, so we're even. Are you trying to trigger me. Holyflare not completely trash player excited to play pre not playing worth killing You are picking Holyflare over Lord Tolkien or Hopeless1der or beentheredonethat? I am supposed to be the insane one. Yes. I actually didn't mind LT's single action so far and want to see more. H1der I don't really have a read on, but he has at least been around enough to ask questions of (at one point). You can say what you like about btdt, but he's not lurking. Convince us to lynch him if you think he's scum. Holyflare is a great target for damaging. He has one shitty post with a throwaway reason for voting. He is a better player than that. You see nothing wrong in claiming KP and claiming your target so early? Besides it being on the wrong person. pretty sure everyone (or at least close) has basic KP so why not? 1) I didn't know that. 2) Openly claiming KP might let Mafia protect or stack on the person KP is claimed on. If I remember the scraps of the OP I read correctly, we won't get any information in regards to that. 3) If this claim is to make Holyflare post it's dumb. He's not around. Even if he was, he would most likely ignore it. It's not newb101 who's going to get baited. Why are you against killing Holyflare though? It makes no sense to me unless you have more information and why are you voting yourself makes no sense I don't give a flying fuck about Holyflare, I give a fuck about claiming KP. Don't give Mafia more information than they already have. You want to kill him on your own? At least leave it ambiguous so you can fish for reactions. I don't even know who Holyflare has voted, I only know that he did. Ehhhh don't know if I buy it. you say you care but then vote yourself and post useless lists but get triggered about me referencing kp? Don't think I can buy that.
I am not going to play this game for you, that's your responsibility.
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On October 21 2016 00:14 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2016 00:08 Kurumi wrote:On October 21 2016 00:05 iamperfection wrote:On October 21 2016 00:03 Kurumi wrote:On October 20 2016 23:55 Dandel Ion wrote:On October 20 2016 23:46 Kurumi wrote:On October 20 2016 23:42 Acrofales wrote:On October 20 2016 23:35 Kurumi wrote:On October 20 2016 23:33 iamperfection wrote:On October 20 2016 23:32 Kurumi wrote:
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I don't. You don't, so we're even. Are you trying to trigger me. Holyflare not completely trash player excited to play pre not playing worth killing You are picking Holyflare over Lord Tolkien or Hopeless1der or beentheredonethat? I am supposed to be the insane one. Yes. I actually didn't mind LT's single action so far and want to see more. H1der I don't really have a read on, but he has at least been around enough to ask questions of (at one point). You can say what you like about btdt, but he's not lurking. Convince us to lynch him if you think he's scum. Holyflare is a great target for damaging. He has one shitty post with a throwaway reason for voting. He is a better player than that. You see nothing wrong in claiming KP and claiming your target so early? Besides it being on the wrong person. pretty sure everyone (or at least close) has basic KP so why not? 1) I didn't know that. 2) Openly claiming KP might let Mafia protect or stack on the person KP is claimed on. If I remember the scraps of the OP I read correctly, we won't get any information in regards to that. 3) If this claim is to make Holyflare post it's dumb. He's not around. Even if he was, he would most likely ignore it. It's not newb101 who's going to get baited. Why are you against killing Holyflare though? It makes no sense to me unless you have more information and why are you voting yourself makes no sense I don't give a flying fuck about Holyflare, I give a fuck about claiming KP. Don't give Mafia more information than they already have. You want to kill him on your own? At least leave it ambiguous so you can fish for reactions. I don't even know who Holyflare has voted, I only know that he did. Show nested quote +On October 21 2016 00:09 Dandel Ion wrote:
if everyone just basic attacks a different guy we'll never get enough damage together to flip a guy
unless you happen to know a way to coordinate without scum knowing (preeeetty unlikely), it's still better than the alternative. this isn't a single vig the way this stuff works is we have to voltron together ~10 people to make a vig being against that seems kind of silly and i do not understand it
Bus Driver my dear, Bus Driver.
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On October 21 2016 00:33 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2016 00:19 Acrofales wrote:On October 21 2016 00:11 Kurumi wrote:On October 21 2016 00:09 Dandel Ion wrote:On October 21 2016 00:03 Kurumi wrote:On October 20 2016 23:55 Dandel Ion wrote:On October 20 2016 23:46 Kurumi wrote:On October 20 2016 23:42 Acrofales wrote:On October 20 2016 23:35 Kurumi wrote:On October 20 2016 23:33 iamperfection wrote:
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Are you trying to trigger me. Holyflare not completely trash player excited to play pre not playing worth killing You are picking Holyflare over Lord Tolkien or Hopeless1der or beentheredonethat? I am supposed to be the insane one. Yes. I actually didn't mind LT's single action so far and want to see more. H1der I don't really have a read on, but he has at least been around enough to ask questions of (at one point). You can say what you like about btdt, but he's not lurking. Convince us to lynch him if you think he's scum. Holyflare is a great target for damaging. He has one shitty post with a throwaway reason for voting. He is a better player than that. You see nothing wrong in claiming KP and claiming your target so early? Besides it being on the wrong person. pretty sure everyone (or at least close) has basic KP so why not? 1) I didn't know that. 2) Openly claiming KP might let Mafia protect or stack on the person KP is claimed on. If I remember the scraps of the OP I read correctly, we won't get any information in regards to that. 3) If this claim is to make Holyflare post it's dumb. He's not around. Even if he was, he would most likely ignore it. It's not newb101 who's going to get baited. i he keeps being afk and we attempt to policy kill a town HF mafia stacking kp on him is benificial to our goals (aka they won't) if he doesnt thats way better if hes mafia and they protect him somehow we can just lynch him i dont see the downside tbh if everyone just basic attacks a different guy we'll never get enough damage together to flip a guy Thing is I remember there being doto heroes getting stronger through killing people. No idea if items exist or how they work, but we might also donate these to Mafia. You want to lynch him - fine, but as it stands he looks like a piss poor lynch. Iamperfection claimed he needs heals to be effective. That reeks of Abaddon or Pudge. Pudge does also get stronger from kills. So maybe don't allow Iamp to kill shit until we are surer of his alignment. look maybe i dont know shit about doto champs so i cant speak to that but we can potentially have enough combined dmg to vig a scummy (or at least a useless) dude every night essentially if we do it right we get a bonus lynch per cycle that cant be that terrible im pretty sure it's better than some people getting some minor bonuses im pretty sure it's worth that one time we get screwed with, we can just do it all over again worst case we end up lynching the scummies and shooting lurkers. you'll note that this worst case is not very bad. because i dont think it is. unless you think theres something completely crazy that could happen but i actually think this game isn't going to be too wild, that's host wifom tho
PGOs dude, PGOs.
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so where's iamp pushing me/hf now?
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Players:
ExO_
Bill Murray
Dandel Ion
Acrofales
Holyflare
Koshi
WaveofShadow
ritoky
Tubesock
Tictock
Skynx
ptmc
Hopeless1der
beentheredonethat
sicklucker
Lord Tolkien
Lunaticman
iamperfection
1 Tictock
2 Rels
3 Vivax
4 Holyflare
5 Skynx
6 iamperfection
7 sicklucker
8 beentheredonethat
9 ExO_
10 Lunaticman
11 HamazuraXTakitsubo
12 Tubesock
13 Bill Murray
14 Acrofales
15 Koshi
16 Eversince
17 ptmc
18 Kurumi
19 ritoky
20 Hopeless1der
21 Dandel Ion
22 WaveofShadow
23 GlowingBear
24 Lord Tolkien
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On October 21 2016 05:47 Dandel Ion wrote:
kurururu i'd like to say i agree but im not sure we'd put the same titles to some of those groups tbh
and of course that one read
you know which one
make your own
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On October 21 2016 07:05 Lord Tolkien wrote:
@ Arcofales: Haven't i played with you before? I recognize your name from somewhere. But ty for volunteeting your name 4 the list.
Can we lynch Kurumi for emote spam? I want to lynch him for being obnoxious like that.
no u
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On October 21 2016 07:10 Lord Tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2016 07:07 Kurumi wrote:On October 21 2016 07:05 Lord Tolkien wrote:
@ Arcofales: Haven't i played with you before? I recognize your name from somewhere. But ty for volunteeting your name 4 the list.
Can we lynch Kurumi for emote spam? I want to lynch him for being obnoxious like that. no u Ok, im convinced
look you are not getting me lynched
not for that reason
not for any other reason
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On October 21 2016 07:22 Lord Tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2016 07:18 Kurumi wrote:On October 21 2016 07:10 Lord Tolkien wrote:On October 21 2016 07:07 Kurumi wrote:On October 21 2016 07:05 Lord Tolkien wrote:
@ Arcofales: Haven't i played with you before? I recognize your name from somewhere. But ty for volunteeting your name 4 the list.
Can we lynch Kurumi for emote spam? I want to lynch him for being obnoxious like that. no u Ok, im convinced look you are not getting me lynched not for that reason not for any other reason Mhm, sure. Kill this guy.
You are so convincing.
Look, you can ask your friends in the QT who you should push.
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On October 21 2016 07:28 Lord Tolkien wrote:
W.ev u say hunnybun
I'm not the one making useless town-cred whoring list posts.
I'm not the one not reading the thread, hunnybun.
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On October 21 2016 07:48 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Oh im reading it.
I just hate contentless list posts that dont even label their categories.
So nah, go die.
Plus ur on my list so double win.
All it takes to read my list is to read the thread.
You obviously are not up to the task.
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On October 21 2016 08:32 Bill Murray wrote:
Hi kurumi
Hi Bill. You should not vote Holyflare. You know why?
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On October 21 2016 08:49 WaveofShadow wrote:
Jesus christ BM
ALRIGHT WHOS AROUND AND WANTS A FACEFUL OF WAVE
That's how he rolls. I'm around.
Anyway BM, look at my filter. People wanted HF dead based on him not posting, they started by trying to coordinate kills, only after me and some other people bombing that plan (HF included) they started thinking about lynching him. Look at the votes he has now.
Yeah. That's you. Only you. People wanted to coordinate powers and such onto HF and then talked about lynching him and nada - the thing died. Very suspicious and the reasoning on that was very shaky itself. Then, HF has done something contrary to the thread - he did not clutter it, he did not overreact, he calmly did his thing. I am not going to peg him totes town for this, but I am not lynching him as of now.
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On October 21 2016 08:58 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +Anyway BM, look at my filter. People wanted HF dead based on him not posting, they started by trying to coordinate kills, only after me and some other people bombing that plan (HF included) they started thinking about lynching him. Look at the votes he has now. I mean I still want to coordinate kills, but I don't think I ever suggested HF as a target. Where did that happen exactly? I vaguely remember something of the sort happening but maybe one or two people brought it up as a thought, I don't remember any push nor any coordination. Can you show me where this narrative comes from?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/514644-dota-2-mafia?page=34#672
It starts here. iamperfection starts the thing, he then wants to lynch me, Dandel plays with the plan same with You and Acrofales, sicklucker claims(!) Bloodseeker, says it's fine, Tubesock says that he'll target the same person SL does, Lunatic says he doesn't trust HF, ptmc comes in with some bad reads and defense of Lunaticman...
Basically, the essence of D1 is there: lots of interactions, lots of defenses, trying to plan and argue.
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On October 21 2016 09:30 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2016 09:28 Tictock wrote:
Allright I feel a little bad I kinda wasted the first day of this game, but it wound up starting at a weird time for me so not much I could do. Should be able to sink some time in tonight and tomorrow though.
Not sure I want to say much about my role, not sure how important that info is just yet.
I did want to get my thoughts down about the setup, or my theory about the setup I guess since there really isn't much info in the OP and it's really anyone's guess.
It looks like Radient vs Dire doesn't translate to Town vs Mafia. I'd also bet that there are more than one non-town faction, mostly kus it makes the game more interesting to have a couple of small scum factions than one 5-6 person mafia team vs however many town.
Unfortunately I only have my experience from PyP to draw from, and while I'd bet that there are some broad similarities I don't want to taint my expectations too much by relating to that game. Having said that I think the general strategy of trying to stay organized and working together to determine what everyone is doing is pretty solid. What's going to be weird is that I'm not sure if mafia get standard kills as night (they probably do though) or if all deaths but the day lynch happen due to HP hitting 0.
So with all that in mind I'm going to downplay my usual strat of finding town first and then mafia from PoE and try something a little different. If I'm correct that there are multiple scum factions then mafia are harder to find due to them having their own scum hunting to do and so standard scum hunting gets a bit less reliable.
Bit of a ramble, but I felt like getting that down before getting into the game proper. Looks like I have quite a bit or reading ahead of me... not gunna promise that I get it done in one sitting but I'll make sure I get caught up tonight.
#promisesofthingstocome Great post.
Besides looking quite genuine, there's nothing else to it. As to Bus Driver/PGO, just trust me Wave.
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On October 21 2016 09:48 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2016 09:37 Kurumi wrote:On October 21 2016 09:30 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 21 2016 09:28 Tictock wrote:
Allright I feel a little bad I kinda wasted the first day of this game, but it wound up starting at a weird time for me so not much I could do. Should be able to sink some time in tonight and tomorrow though.
Not sure I want to say much about my role, not sure how important that info is just yet.
I did want to get my thoughts down about the setup, or my theory about the setup I guess since there really isn't much info in the OP and it's really anyone's guess.
It looks like Radient vs Dire doesn't translate to Town vs Mafia. I'd also bet that there are more than one non-town faction, mostly kus it makes the game more interesting to have a couple of small scum factions than one 5-6 person mafia team vs however many town.
Unfortunately I only have my experience from PyP to draw from, and while I'd bet that there are some broad similarities I don't want to taint my expectations too much by relating to that game. Having said that I think the general strategy of trying to stay organized and working together to determine what everyone is doing is pretty solid. What's going to be weird is that I'm not sure if mafia get standard kills as night (they probably do though) or if all deaths but the day lynch happen due to HP hitting 0.
So with all that in mind I'm going to downplay my usual strat of finding town first and then mafia from PoE and try something a little different. If I'm correct that there are multiple scum factions then mafia are harder to find due to them having their own scum hunting to do and so standard scum hunting gets a bit less reliable.
Bit of a ramble, but I felt like getting that down before getting into the game proper. Looks like I have quite a bit or reading ahead of me... not gunna promise that I get it done in one sitting but I'll make sure I get caught up tonight.
#promisesofthingstocome Great post. Besides looking quite genuine, there's nothing else to it. As to Bus Driver/PGO, just trust me Wave. I do trust you, but that's besides the point. I'm not worried that these things exist, because I'm fairly certain they do. I just don't think they'll as much of an impact as you think they will. Getting everyone to contribute KP and organize to some degree holds people accountable and at phase change we'll be able to learn some things.
If you do trust me, then look at me as I am. I come to you as a trustworthy envoy, this you can comprehend but I do not come in darkness. The light shines and with it, the truth before your very eyes.
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On October 21 2016 09:53 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2016 09:50 Kurumi wrote:On October 21 2016 09:48 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 21 2016 09:37 Kurumi wrote:On October 21 2016 09:30 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 21 2016 09:28 Tictock wrote:
Allright I feel a little bad I kinda wasted the first day of this game, but it wound up starting at a weird time for me so not much I could do. Should be able to sink some time in tonight and tomorrow though.
Not sure I want to say much about my role, not sure how important that info is just yet.
I did want to get my thoughts down about the setup, or my theory about the setup I guess since there really isn't much info in the OP and it's really anyone's guess.
It looks like Radient vs Dire doesn't translate to Town vs Mafia. I'd also bet that there are more than one non-town faction, mostly kus it makes the game more interesting to have a couple of small scum factions than one 5-6 person mafia team vs however many town.
Unfortunately I only have my experience from PyP to draw from, and while I'd bet that there are some broad similarities I don't want to taint my expectations too much by relating to that game. Having said that I think the general strategy of trying to stay organized and working together to determine what everyone is doing is pretty solid. What's going to be weird is that I'm not sure if mafia get standard kills as night (they probably do though) or if all deaths but the day lynch happen due to HP hitting 0.
So with all that in mind I'm going to downplay my usual strat of finding town first and then mafia from PoE and try something a little different. If I'm correct that there are multiple scum factions then mafia are harder to find due to them having their own scum hunting to do and so standard scum hunting gets a bit less reliable.
Bit of a ramble, but I felt like getting that down before getting into the game proper. Looks like I have quite a bit or reading ahead of me... not gunna promise that I get it done in one sitting but I'll make sure I get caught up tonight.
#promisesofthingstocome Great post. Besides looking quite genuine, there's nothing else to it. As to Bus Driver/PGO, just trust me Wave. I do trust you, but that's besides the point. I'm not worried that these things exist, because I'm fairly certain they do. I just don't think they'll as much of an impact as you think they will. Getting everyone to contribute KP and organize to some degree holds people accountable and at phase change we'll be able to learn some things. If you do trust me, then look at me as I am. I come to you as a trustworthy envoy, this you can comprehend but I do not come in darkness. The light shines and with it, the truth before your very eyes. Don't get me wrong, I trust you in terms of trusting that you know there are the type of roles you speak of. But as far as ACTUALLY trusting you I lost a little recently. I see absolutely no reason not to do this, even if somehow everyone's KP is deflected and doubled at the same time onto the two strongest townies (that will never happen).
Hopefully you shall understand everything in time.
On October 21 2016 09:54 ExO_ wrote:
Hello all I just woke up. Civ 6 launches in 3 hours, and I'll be around until then (though I'll be sorta preparing for my stream and the big game with all the other civ streamers). I'm like 25 pages behind can somebody direct me to what I should be looking at right now?
Just take your time. You can look at my list and try to figure out how do you like my reads.
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