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ptmc
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland306 Posts
October 26 2016 11:58 GMT
#3781
On October 26 2016 20:55 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2016 20:53 ptmc wrote:
On October 26 2016 20:38 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On October 26 2016 20:37 ptmc wrote:
On October 26 2016 20:31 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On October 26 2016 20:30 Dandel Ion wrote:
well i guess now we know how LT took so much damage.

i think we'll have to kill artanis, cant afford to keep him around until d5 (as d4 is already kurumi's exclusive)

sicklucker (i think?) had the damage% amp yeah? well get on it footsoldiers, i'll mightily lead the charge.

Or you can just help me achieve my objectives and I'll disappear from the game whilst not having to waste a lynch on someone who will never flip scum in a game where not a single scum has died yet. That might be a better idea.
On October 26 2016 20:30 ptmc wrote:
On October 26 2016 20:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On October 26 2016 20:23 ptmc wrote:
On October 26 2016 20:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On October 26 2016 20:20 ptmc wrote:
[quote]

So you help the people up for lynch by removing them? wtf

It was a cute way of saying 'hit them until they die'


I get that, but in what way does that help the people up for lynch?

That you save a lynch on them?

but what is the incentive for someone up for lynch?

You lynch them if they don't agree.


Just to make sure that i understand what you are saying:
You want the top lynch to tell you his role so that you kill him instead of him being the lynch?
And us to then take your word for it, stop our lynch on that guy and lynch the next on the list?

If there's a bunch of lynchbait like Kurumi and GB around, you make them claim their roles and I hit one whilst town lynches the other.


But the lynchbait is at least some days off from their designated lynch time. And even then I don't see why they should humour you.
Damn you flood control...

Meh, I guess. I can just keep shooting who town wants me to shoot and hope it's people on my deathlist. Should be easy to make sure I'm keeping my part of the bargain.


Just stick kp on GB for a start and he should flip today.
ptmc
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland306 Posts
October 26 2016 11:59 GMT
#3782
On October 26 2016 20:49 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'm pretty annoyed with the lack of discussion of the stuff I posted.

Especially the vote count thing.

Does everyone really just agree with me blindly? I mean that's cool and all but I'm not really used to it.


The vote count looks decent, but there are some more constellations that would make sense. I agree with the top of your list, have no reason (yet) to doubt you on GB so I don't have a lot to discuss. Is there something specific you would want to talk about?
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
October 26 2016 12:01 GMT
#3783
Here ya go, but I bet you're not gonna like it.....

:D :D


On October 26 2016 09:38 WaveofShadow wrote:
This is gold, actually.

Tictock (8); Vivax, Holyflare, iamperfection, Lord Tolkien, Tubesock, Dandel Ion, ritoky, Bill Murray, Koshi, beentheredonethat
Koshi (4): Lunaticman, beentheredonethat, Skynx, TubeSock, beentheredonethat, sicklucker
Lunaticman (1): ritoky, Koshi, HamazuraXTakitsubo, sicklucker, Skynx
Vivax (2): Tubesock, iamperfection, Hopeless1der, Koshi, Acrofales, Dandel Ion
Lord Tolkien (2): Kurumi, WaveofShadow
WaveofShadow (1): ExO_, Bill Murray, ptmc
Dandel Ion (1): beentheredonethat, ExO_
ritoky (1): Holyflare, Koshi, GlowingBear


Look at the votes, and compare them to my list.

Tictock (8); Vivax, Holyflare, iamperfection, Lord Tolkien, Tubesock, Dandel Ion, ritoky, Bill Murray, Koshi, beentheredonethat
Koshi (4): Lunaticman, beentheredonethat, Skynx, TubeSock, beentheredonethat, sicklucker
Lunaticman (1): ritoky, Koshi, HamazuraXTakitsubo, sicklucker, Skynx
Vivax (2): Tubesock, iamperfection, Hopeless1der, Koshi, Acrofales, Dandel Ion
Lord Tolkien (2): Kurumi, WaveofShadow
WaveofShadow (1): ExO_, Bill Murray, ptmc
Dandel Ion (1): beentheredonethat, ExO_
ritoky (1): Holyflare, Koshi, GlowingBear






I mean, call it confirmation bias if you want, but it looks REEEEAAAALLL good to me.
No scum on Vivax, everyone else spread way the hell out.

twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
October 26 2016 12:03 GMT
#3784
On October 26 2016 20:59 ptmc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2016 20:49 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'm pretty annoyed with the lack of discussion of the stuff I posted.

Especially the vote count thing.

Does everyone really just agree with me blindly? I mean that's cool and all but I'm not really used to it.


The vote count looks decent, but there are some more constellations that would make sense. I agree with the top of your list, have no reason (yet) to doubt you on GB so I don't have a lot to discuss. Is there something specific you would want to talk about?

Well for starters you apparently didn't trust me at all and still thought I was scum(?) till very recently?

What's different? (I'm curious)

As for the rest I dunno. Thoughts on GBs interaction with Mr last night?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12971 Posts
October 26 2016 12:05 GMT
#3785
On October 26 2016 20:58 ptmc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2016 20:55 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On October 26 2016 20:53 ptmc wrote:
On October 26 2016 20:38 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On October 26 2016 20:37 ptmc wrote:
On October 26 2016 20:31 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On October 26 2016 20:30 Dandel Ion wrote:
well i guess now we know how LT took so much damage.

i think we'll have to kill artanis, cant afford to keep him around until d5 (as d4 is already kurumi's exclusive)

sicklucker (i think?) had the damage% amp yeah? well get on it footsoldiers, i'll mightily lead the charge.

Or you can just help me achieve my objectives and I'll disappear from the game whilst not having to waste a lynch on someone who will never flip scum in a game where not a single scum has died yet. That might be a better idea.
On October 26 2016 20:30 ptmc wrote:
On October 26 2016 20:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On October 26 2016 20:23 ptmc wrote:
On October 26 2016 20:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
[quote]
It was a cute way of saying 'hit them until they die'


I get that, but in what way does that help the people up for lynch?

That you save a lynch on them?

but what is the incentive for someone up for lynch?

You lynch them if they don't agree.


Just to make sure that i understand what you are saying:
You want the top lynch to tell you his role so that you kill him instead of him being the lynch?
And us to then take your word for it, stop our lynch on that guy and lynch the next on the list?

If there's a bunch of lynchbait like Kurumi and GB around, you make them claim their roles and I hit one whilst town lynches the other.


But the lynchbait is at least some days off from their designated lynch time. And even then I don't see why they should humour you.
Damn you flood control...

Meh, I guess. I can just keep shooting who town wants me to shoot and hope it's people on my deathlist. Should be easy to make sure I'm keeping my part of the bargain.


Just stick kp on GB for a start and he should flip today.

Sounds good to me.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
October 26 2016 12:05 GMT
#3786
Also I gotta say it looks even worse on ExO that he didn't bother commenting on any of that at all until prompted.
Ptmc you at the very least mentioned it.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
October 26 2016 12:06 GMT
#3787
On October 26 2016 21:03 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2016 20:59 ptmc wrote:
On October 26 2016 20:49 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'm pretty annoyed with the lack of discussion of the stuff I posted.

Especially the vote count thing.

Does everyone really just agree with me blindly? I mean that's cool and all but I'm not really used to it.


The vote count looks decent, but there are some more constellations that would make sense. I agree with the top of your list, have no reason (yet) to doubt you on GB so I don't have a lot to discuss. Is there something specific you would want to talk about?

Well for starters you apparently didn't trust me at all and still thought I was scum(?) till very recently?

What's different? (I'm curious)

As for the rest I dunno. Thoughts on GBs interaction with Mr last night?

Interaction with me*
Stupid phone
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
ExO_
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States2316 Posts
October 26 2016 12:06 GMT
#3788
On October 26 2016 21:01 WaveofShadow wrote:
Here ya go, but I bet you're not gonna like it.....

:D :D


Show nested quote +
On October 26 2016 09:38 WaveofShadow wrote:
This is gold, actually.

Tictock (8); Vivax, Holyflare, iamperfection, Lord Tolkien, Tubesock, Dandel Ion, ritoky, Bill Murray, Koshi, beentheredonethat
Koshi (4): Lunaticman, beentheredonethat, Skynx, TubeSock, beentheredonethat, sicklucker
Lunaticman (1): ritoky, Koshi, HamazuraXTakitsubo, sicklucker, Skynx
Vivax (2): Tubesock, iamperfection, Hopeless1der, Koshi, Acrofales, Dandel Ion
Lord Tolkien (2): Kurumi, WaveofShadow
WaveofShadow (1): ExO_, Bill Murray, ptmc
Dandel Ion (1): beentheredonethat, ExO_
ritoky (1): Holyflare, Koshi, GlowingBear


Look at the votes, and compare them to my list.

Tictock (8); Vivax, Holyflare, iamperfection, Lord Tolkien, Tubesock, Dandel Ion, ritoky, Bill Murray, Koshi, beentheredonethat
Koshi (4): Lunaticman, beentheredonethat, Skynx, TubeSock, beentheredonethat, sicklucker
Lunaticman (1): ritoky, Koshi, HamazuraXTakitsubo, sicklucker, Skynx
Vivax (2): Tubesock, iamperfection, Hopeless1der, Koshi, Acrofales, Dandel Ion
Lord Tolkien (2): Kurumi, WaveofShadow
WaveofShadow (1): ExO_, Bill Murray, ptmc
Dandel Ion (1): beentheredonethat, ExO_
ritoky (1): Holyflare, Koshi, GlowingBear






I mean, call it confirmation bias if you want, but it looks REEEEAAAALLL good to me.
No scum on Vivax, everyone else spread way the hell out.



I think how the votes got there matters just as much (for example see my post on the Day 1 voting situation). Personally I got wrapped up in civ 6 stuff and didn't see the point in changing my vote. I find it very interesting that you point out Kurumi when you yourself are sitting on LT with him. Did you mean to call out yourself with this post as well?

In fact what am I supposed to get from this? You highlighted a bunch of names but didn't really explain how the way these votes ended up indicates scum or town.

So it looks to me 100% like confirmation bias. But to give you a fair shake:

Explain to me why you think I'm scum, other than the fact that I was mostly CIV6afk for a bit.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 26 2016 12:06 GMT
#3789
my feedback would be that it looks very neat and coordinated, but if that is the scumteam they're definitely neither of those things

so if you're right on the people (which is possible) i doubt it's because of this
A backwards poet writes inverse.
ExO_
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States2316 Posts
October 26 2016 12:07 GMT
#3790
On October 26 2016 21:05 WaveofShadow wrote:
Also I gotta say it looks even worse on ExO that he didn't bother commenting on any of that at all until prompted.
Ptmc you at the very least mentioned it.


commented on all of what until prompted?
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12971 Posts
October 26 2016 12:08 GMT
#3791
Where has Hopeless been btw?
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12971 Posts
October 26 2016 12:11 GMT
#3792
On October 26 2016 13:04 Hopeless1der wrote:
My thoughts on Koshi:


So i feel the need to say that the fact that Koshi failed to produce a double lynch is not *necessarily* his fault. He proclaimed it to the world and it got struck down.

A) he thought it was nearly foolproof (and is town)
B) he's scum
C) hes 3p (super unlikely, this is only here for the sake of addressing all options...at this point Planar Dragon is a thing)

So, while it'd be great to be able to just lynch him and be done with it, the flavor/end of the day strongly suggests the presence of Balanar (nightstalker). If we are approaching LYLO/MYLO territory, then sure lets get rid of him on the chance the he is in fact responsible for causing the no-lynch. However, I still think Koshi is more likely town than scum and I dont want to remove him, especially since he claims to have taken so much damage and is liable to die to random aoe damage without our intervention anyways, so we dont need to look at him for lynch for a couple days imo..

I'll spend more time worrying about the rest of the game after Vivax dies, but I at least want to say that I think Koshi is town atm. If I die in the meantime, oh welp, I'm not that strong imo, so not a huge deal to me. I've been hitting acro, 'protecting' lamp and annoying dandel so far this game.

This post feels ehhhh to me.

"Koshi could be mafia, 3p or town. I think he's town but we should kill him if he's still around when we approach LYLO. Also I've been hitting Acro whom most everyone is townreading."
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
October 26 2016 12:13 GMT
#3793
On October 26 2016 21:06 Dandel Ion wrote:
my feedback would be that it looks very neat and coordinated, but if that is the scumteam they're definitely neither of those things

so if you're right on the people (which is possible) i doubt it's because of this

I wouldn't say that's coordinated at all. That's just scum afraid to look bad by voting for the same person and not making any real commitments they can be called out on later.

ExO I'll get to you in a little bit.

Discussion is good.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
October 26 2016 12:13 GMT
#3794
Do we know what happened to LT?
I had a good night of sleep.
ptmc
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland306 Posts
October 26 2016 12:14 GMT
#3795
On October 26 2016 20:59 ptmc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2016 20:49 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'm pretty annoyed with the lack of discussion of the stuff I posted.

Especially the vote count thing.

Does everyone really just agree with me blindly? I mean that's cool and all but I'm not really used to it.


The vote count looks decent, but there are some more constellations that would make sense. I agree with the top of your list, have no reason (yet) to doubt you on GB so I don't have a lot to discuss. Is there something specific you would want to talk about?

On October 26 2016 21:06 Dandel Ion wrote:
my feedback would be that it looks very neat and coordinated, but if that is the scumteam they're definitely neither of those things

so if you're right on the people (which is possible) i doubt it's because of this


pretty much what i meant.
And i still don't trust you, Wave. But with the claim on GB you have now given something to confirm you of, I have not found a lot to disagree with in your last posts and you have pretty much the same lynch targets as me.

I would feel even better about you if you could explain why you explained your scum read on me with me scum reading you after you having pushed me, while it actually was you scum reading me after my vote on you with barely if any direct interaction between us?

Will check on GB/you soon, but I'm fairly certain it fits into my image of he is scum, you don't post stuff that i disagree with.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12971 Posts
October 26 2016 12:15 GMT
#3796
On October 26 2016 21:13 Koshi wrote:
Do we know what happened to LT?

A multitude of people hit him including me. Surprising he got taken down from 84hp that rapidly though.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
October 26 2016 12:20 GMT
#3797
I don't believe 2 different 3ps that disappear if they achieve their wincon. Really fishy balance later in the game.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
October 26 2016 12:20 GMT
#3798
I'll think of it while working. But last game we also had 2 people claiming 3p and 1 was town and 1 was mafia.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
October 26 2016 12:36 GMT
#3799
ritoky claims that placing an item that he got from the hosts costed his entire turn? I find that hard to believe.

-He claims to be 3p
-He gets an item completely useless to his role.
-He gets an item that is solely "pro-town" as 3p, sounds like backseat modding and I don't think they would do that.
-The item does completely nothing, I was hit for tons each day and then right when I am about to die nothing happens.
-The item sees I heal myself? Which seems like a tracker and not a watcher. Which is pretty cool so I am confirmed not doing bad things.


Ritoky should be forced to claim his wincon to the smallest details. Because even with mafia killing each day 3 townies, the game still lasts long enough for him to make 5, even 6 copies. Unless Vivax is not mafia and we decide to not lynch mafia 3 more times after that. Which I don't believe at all.

If Vivax flips town, Ritoky should always be the next lynch. Not that a single hair on my head thinks that.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
October 26 2016 12:40 GMT
#3800
My point is that I find it very hard to believe hosts gave him an item that is not beneficial for his role, just to help town which he for some reason feels is "forced" to do, that item costed his entire turn, and then ended up not seeing anybody kill me and see me flip town.

Extremely unlikely.


The mafia counterstory:
Mafia has a watcher, ritoky claims his actions as his own to gain towncred especially if I get killed because then they can even push a misslynch, ritoky himself does bad things during the night.
I had a good night of sleep.
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