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NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
September 10 2016 15:59 GMT
#788
I didn't say town had PRs to begin with. I already explained what I meant there...?

You have no meta points on me. It's impossible for you to have any because you've only read ONE scum game of mine from FIVE MONTHS AGO. One game =/= meta.

Again, you have no idea what my scum meta is. You're too focused on 'scum slips' which aren't scummy so I expect anything I say will be ignored by you. Honestly.


Yes, you said town had PRs. You suggested that a sheriff-vig would leave in his LW who he checked, thus claiming town has PRs.

Yes, I have meta points on you. I read TWO scum games of yours, plus I was in your last scum game. That's 3 games, scum.
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
September 10 2016 16:03 GMT
#789
Fuba has got the town tone rolling. You have your neutral-trying-to-appear-angry scum tone.
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
September 10 2016 16:09 GMT
#793
On September 11 2016 01:03 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2016 00:59 NeverUnlucky wrote:
I didn't say town had PRs to begin with. I already explained what I meant there...?

You have no meta points on me. It's impossible for you to have any because you've only read ONE scum game of mine from FIVE MONTHS AGO. One game =/= meta.

Again, you have no idea what my scum meta is. You're too focused on 'scum slips' which aren't scummy so I expect anything I say will be ignored by you. Honestly.


Yes, you said town had PRs. You suggested that a sheriff-vig would leave in his LW who he checked, thus claiming town has PRs.

Yes, I have meta points on you. I read TWO scum games of yours, plus I was in your last scum game. That's 3 games, scum.


Someone lynched on Day 1 gets their LW published at the end of Night 1 which is AFTER they turn into a TPR. Not only is your argument false, it's not even a fucking slip.


Which means they do not get the feedback of their check by the time their LW is posted. My argument stands strong, yours sucks.

Show me these 'meta points' and I'll show you how you're wrong.


If I told you them, you wouldn't be easily scum-read in the future.

You mean that last scum game which you're tunneling me for this game because you want revenge?


I am not tunneling you, lol.
I don't want revenge against you, that game was my bad.

It's incredibly obvious that's what you're doing, dude. If this is how you're going to be from now on, I'm just not going to play anymore with you. It's either "CALIX IS THE BEST" or "CALIX IS 100% SCUM" with no in-between. Can't just treat me like a normal player, can you?


There is in between. In the first 24h you were a slight-scum-read, a scum-read, a null-read, and a town-read for me. You're just attempting to discredit my read on you by calling it personal when it's not.

"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
September 10 2016 16:17 GMT
#798
Shapelog went MIA without warning. Is that telling?
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
September 10 2016 16:25 GMT
#802
On September 11 2016 01:23 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2016 01:19 Holyflare wrote:
On September 11 2016 01:16 Tumblewood wrote:
I encourage everyone to look past Hf's "infallible logic" and see that he is saying that a player with no more than 5 posts is guaranteed mafia. Hf is not a stupid person, but saying it with such fiery conviction is stupid. I guess you could call that a contradiction, but more importantly this has "pushing a mislynch" written all over it.
my guess at a scumteam so far is hf/palmar/??? (possibly skynx for the dropoff, or Damdred for supporting Hf, or tt if you want to get tinfoily). I like grack's point on Palmar. honestly guys just listen to grack because he is far and away the smartest player this game.


I have made super strong pushes just the same as this in many other games. Vivax has also SAID THAT ALREADY IN THIS GAME.

Now, you admit it's a contradiction but yoh have failed to comment on my posts saying why it makes him mafia.

If you are keen on continuing this push then fucking wreck my logic and show people how I'm mafia instead of these useless pushes that aren't convincing anyone.

no fuck that if I go and wreck your logic suddenly 50 more posts pop up that say that my logic is wrong or some shit and that is exactly what I am trying to avoid


You have no logic.

"I have no reason to town-read Superbia, so I'll lean-town-read him."
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
September 10 2016 16:47 GMT
#814
Calix, since you don't s-r the Vivax anymore and are leaving fuba alone for today, who's in your sights for today's lynch?
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
September 10 2016 16:50 GMT
#816
Calix/Damdred lynch is not happening, so I may sheep Vivax in what he does.
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
September 10 2016 17:08 GMT
#822
On September 11 2016 01:55 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2016 01:47 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Calix, since you don't s-r the Vivax anymore and are leaving fuba alone for today, who's in your sights for today's lynch?


Good question. I don't have a fucking clue.

Grackaroni is looking townier the more he posts; nobody else scum-reads fuba; I town-read Vivax, you, Superbia, Palmar (shitty town-read but still); TT's train is shitty and if he's scum, then the scum are doing a horrendous job at diverting it (hardly anyone has questioned it which makes me wary)...I'm starting to feel like a lot of the scum are among the lurkers and I don't know how to sort them.

Either that, or they are the sort who are good at looking townie on Day 1.


Simple yet genuine question. Are you town?
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
September 10 2016 17:25 GMT
#824
Yes, moron. I really appreciate you going into the game with the intent to use meta when you knew full well that I moved to a different site precisely to avoid being 'meta-read' for retarded reasons. Thanks a fucking lot for ruining that.


It was not my intent. I only came to this point after seeing you copy-paste your scumtelling post from FF7.

I still apologize for doing it. I couldn't resist throwing meta in my read. Slap me.

Instead of wasting more of my time with personality tests, try asking something useful


I did. I asked you who was your target today.
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
September 10 2016 17:41 GMT
#829
On September 11 2016 02:31 Calix wrote:
What the fuck are you talking about? I didn't copy-paste shit and why the actual fuck would anyone copy a post made in a SCUM GAME?


You did. I'll show you post-game or after you flip.

I don't know. I just think that Tictock is going to end in a mislynch because nobody is doing anything to stop his train. Grackaroni spent more time explaining how his posts weren't defending Tictock than he actually did diverting the train and I know I am town. That can ONLY MEAN TWO THINGS:

1. He is town.

2. The entire scum team are so inactive that they don't give a fuck about stopping a lynch on their team mate.

Option 1 is infinitely more likely but I'm not sure how to stop it.


I have the same feeling.

What does you "knowing you are town" have to do with any of this?

I think it's a combination of 1 & 2 -- ie He is town, and scum are inactive, letting town fight each other.

I'll going to reread Holyflare given that he's the only alternative at the moment and I've yet to read his filter properly. I don't really town-read him but I don't scum-read him much either. Since I town-read you, your thoughts on him?


He is not the only alternative.

I'm mixed. His behavior draws so much attention to him that the only way I can see him being scum is if he is WIFOMing the "too scum to be scum" agenda.

I'm leaning town though because throughout all of his scum-reads, none of the reasons he gave appeared as shade-throwing/scum painting, and some of his reads are nuanced.

On September 11 2016 02:18 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2016 02:08 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Simple yet genuine question. Are you town?


Yes, moron. I really appreciate you going into the game with the intent to use meta when you knew full well that I moved to a different site precisely to avoid being 'meta-read' for retarded reasons. Thanks a fucking lot for ruining that.


I'm even more convinced that you rolled scum. A town wouldn't change subject immediately after saying he is town. You are trying to minimalize the emphasis on your answer by doing so.
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
September 10 2016 17:43 GMT
#830
Damdred needs to go. Calix, bus him.
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
September 10 2016 17:52 GMT
#834
That Calix post felt townie.

Calix, you're going to hate me even more than you do right now when you'll learn what my strategy coming into the game was (if you care to hear it).
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
September 10 2016 18:04 GMT
#848
NU
Vivax
Fuba
Calix
Gra
ck
Superbia
Holyflare
Skynx
TW
TT
Shapelog
Palmar
Damdred
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
September 10 2016 18:23 GMT
#865
On September 11 2016 03:16 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2016 03:13 Damdred wrote:
Why would scum defend scum when that scum isn't trying? Why would scum not hop onto,the tt wagon and solidify it when he's a easy lynch and no,real reprocussions?
Both questions are wifom but both have to be answered for your position calix


If both questions are WIFOM then how am I supposed to answer them exactly...? We don't KNOW what the scum are thinking. I am just going to the simplest conclusion of "TT is town and the scum are allowing him to get MLed"

My theory only assumes that TT is town and the scum are not trying to defend him.

Any other theories assume he is scum and that scum are using WIFOM in their strategies.


Back to scum-reading Calix.
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
September 10 2016 18:33 GMT
#874
Calix, what did you get from your filter of HF?

And DDD is right, mafia let their teammates die all the time.
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
September 10 2016 18:42 GMT
#881
On September 11 2016 03:40 Damdred wrote:
Never lynching me d1, get over it move on


Challenge accepted.
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
September 10 2016 18:46 GMT
#887
and super is lurking too more or less.


He did say that he was going to be lurking through most of D1 before receiving his role. I think it's NAI.

Damdred is the scummiest non-lurker here. Today is the day of the rope for him.
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
September 10 2016 18:49 GMT
#893
On September 11 2016 03:44 Tumblewood wrote:
and to neverunlucky:
you are incredibly tunneled. I would wager that at least two of your scumreads are wrong. you're doing the stupid thing townies do all the time which is act like they've solved the game before there's a single flip and then refuse to change their positions. your reads are not as good as you think they are. reevaluate your scumreads. reevaluate your townreads. do this frequently.


Good, because I only have one scum-read right now.

act like they've solved the game before there's a single flip and then refuse to change their positions.

I'm not sure if you've read my posts this game...
I've been constantly changing my positions back and forth, doing 180s everywhere. What makes you say that my positions haven't been changing?
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
September 10 2016 18:51 GMT
#900
On September 11 2016 03:48 Skynx wrote:
Alright here is the deal people: TT is just soo hit and miss. He barely posted anything therefore no content to analyse properly. HF is tunnelled for whatever meta reason he has and blindly sheeping him is nuts.

TT is basically a plynch at this point but there are 2-3 others with similar no content no opinion just shitposting filters.

Can we please reconsider our lynch?


Agreed.

On September 11 2016 03:47 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2016 01:25 NeverUnlucky wrote:
On September 11 2016 01:23 Tumblewood wrote:
On September 11 2016 01:19 Holyflare wrote:
On September 11 2016 01:16 Tumblewood wrote:
I encourage everyone to look past Hf's "infallible logic" and see that he is saying that a player with no more than 5 posts is guaranteed mafia. Hf is not a stupid person, but saying it with such fiery conviction is stupid. I guess you could call that a contradiction, but more importantly this has "pushing a mislynch" written all over it.
my guess at a scumteam so far is hf/palmar/??? (possibly skynx for the dropoff, or Damdred for supporting Hf, or tt if you want to get tinfoily). I like grack's point on Palmar. honestly guys just listen to grack because he is far and away the smartest player this game.


I have made super strong pushes just the same as this in many other games. Vivax has also SAID THAT ALREADY IN THIS GAME.

Now, you admit it's a contradiction but yoh have failed to comment on my posts saying why it makes him mafia.

If you are keen on continuing this push then fucking wreck my logic and show people how I'm mafia instead of these useless pushes that aren't convincing anyone.

no fuck that if I go and wreck your logic suddenly 50 more posts pop up that say that my logic is wrong or some shit and that is exactly what I am trying to avoid


You have no logic.

"I have no reason to town-read Superbia, so I'll lean-town-read him."

that's not even what we were discussing and you have a stupid amount of hubris this game
but don't mind me, I'm acting Illogical and only Mafia ever do that. Good Townies are always Rational Actors who always back up their posts with Reason.


Great job twisting my post around to make it say something it doesn't imply.
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
September 10 2016 18:55 GMT
#904
On September 11 2016 03:48 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2016 03:45 Holyflare wrote:
On September 11 2016 03:27 Calix wrote:
On September 11 2016 03:24 Holyflare wrote:
On September 11 2016 03:10 Calix wrote:
On September 11 2016 03:07 Holyflare wrote:
Calix you're either mafia or you don't know when you're wifoming.

Mafia can do anything they want at any point in the game and you don't know our meta. If anyone was throwing suspicions away from tt for no valid reason it would be you.

Tt has three votes, tt has not come back to post, people ARE defending tt etc etc.

Stop talking around people's posts and what THEY have done and talking about wifom scenarios it's bad play regardless of your alignment.

You should pick a person to mafia read and post why they are mafia for reasons rhey have done.


I know I am town. Why would I say "oh yeah I am defending TT so he must be mafia being defended"?

No, I don't know the meta. That doesn't make my point invalid. What are you even arguing here, that since nobody is defending him that he is still scum that the scum aren't trying to defend? Otherwise what is your point with WIFOM?

No idea what you are even calling me out for here with 'talking around posts'.


If you are defending him and are town then it goes to say that your entire point about mafia should be defending him if he's mafia is irrelevant because town can also defend him.

Wifom seems to be the entirety of your argument for not voting a scummy guy.

Everyone should look at my logic and say if it's right and sheep it because tt is mafia or wrong and he's not and PROVE why.

Also vivax why have you let damdred be there saying tt's mafia meta is to afk when you just saw him afk as town?


Mafia are not going to stand by and let one of their own die on Day 1. Several people have said "oh I don't find the TT case convincing" so it's not like the case is so airtight that the scum will give up if TT is scum. So the utter lack of scum defending him or pushing for a different train doesn't make sense.


How do you know those people aren't mafia????


I don't. What I was saying there is that there is enough doubt about TT's alignment that scum have room to make a more coordinated defense of TT/ attack of someone else. And I don't see why they wouldn't because bussing is a horrendous scum move.

Although if I'm to trust TW, you guys actually bus on D1? wtf


We do too, Calix. You are not acknowledging it because we always ML D1. When we don't scum are always bussing.

If you don't bus, you're a shit tier player and should feel bad.
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
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