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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 01 2016 21:57 GMT
#1253
Meh. I guess we have still plenty of room for error. 3-4 lynches left or something?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 01 2016 22:02 GMT
#1261
Wow.

He was the Miller. Now if there's a Cop, it should be a lot more effective.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 01 2016 22:10 GMT
#1265
On October 02 2016 07:04 Jealous wrote:
I am starting to lose faith in this town and it's leadership.


The Church of Xatalos is accepting new members.

Seriously though, complaining won't change anything.

It would be great to just hear your reads at least. More than just a list of potential scum.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 03 2016 18:05 GMT
#1285
Well, that was a nice surprise. I guess the Vet/Doc should claim if being lynched, but not otherwise yet. It's a pretty solid position anyway.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 03 2016 18:08 GMT
#1286
Nothing much has changed in regards to potential scum. scott is probably always scum at this point, and the last should be Skynx/Jealous. If not, scum Tictock/Calix has played well. Upcoming blue claims etc. should clear that up anyway.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 03 2016 18:11 GMT
#1287
Actually, might it be best to already claim up and solve it once and for all? Let's discuss it before going through with it though.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 03 2016 18:16 GMT
#1288
I guess it depends on the roles. There's probably no Vig since there hasn't been a shot yet. There's certainly a Doc/Vet. If it's Doc+Vet, not much use to claim, but if there's a Cop, it could be enough to solve the game by now. Well, maybe. I guess it's up to him. There's still a GF but it should be enough to eliminate several possible scumteam combinations from these:

Skynx/scott
Skynx/Jealous
Skynx/Tictock
scott/Tictock
Jealous/Tictock

Leaving us with possibly only one or two possible combinations left.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 03 2016 18:17 GMT
#1289
Meh, I forgot DanelerH. He hasn't really done anything lately. And Calix has kind of dropped off. Same with ptmc.

So I guess it's not quite as clear yet..
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 03 2016 18:20 GMT
#1291
Well, let me know what you guys think. If not, just finally lynch scott with fire. He's somehow slipped through so far. No wonder, I guess.

Slept around 2 hours last night and another early wakeup coming so won't be here for long to discuss.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 03 2016 18:26 GMT
#1292
On October 04 2016 03:18 Tictock wrote:
That post you quoted was right after the lynch Skynx, not right before Daypost.

I do kinda like your point though.

Actually if I were to rate everyone in the game I would say Jealous and Calix have been the most sidelined players.

By that I mean they aren't doing much thats Super towny and they aren't doing anything that raises an eyebrow. Like I stand by what I said about Xata putting so much effort into that Stutters read vs his scumreads, but at the same time that doesn't fit mafia play at all. It just stands out like a sore thumb.


It's really hard to solve the game since most people aren't doing enough of anything noteworthy in the game. Myself included, kinda. I'm pretty sure scott is scum now, but with how this game has been, it's getting harder to clear even Dan/Calix for their D1 stuff anymore.. I was quite sure of stutters being town, at least. Too bad he was the one who got lynched even so....

Well, I sure hope you're town or there's not going to be much of town thread presence left at this rate.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 03 2016 18:45 GMT
#1295
How is Doc+Vet OP though? I think Doc+Cop is more powerful for example. Cop can claim and live forever etc.

But the problem is if it's just Vet+Cop. Then Cop claiming would be stupid.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 03 2016 18:52 GMT
#1298
On October 04 2016 03:46 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2016 03:26 Xatalos wrote:
On October 04 2016 03:18 Tictock wrote:
That post you quoted was right after the lynch Skynx, not right before Daypost.

I do kinda like your point though.

Actually if I were to rate everyone in the game I would say Jealous and Calix have been the most sidelined players.

By that I mean they aren't doing much thats Super towny and they aren't doing anything that raises an eyebrow. Like I stand by what I said about Xata putting so much effort into that Stutters read vs his scumreads, but at the same time that doesn't fit mafia play at all. It just stands out like a sore thumb.


It's really hard to solve the game since most people aren't doing enough of anything noteworthy in the game. Myself included, kinda. I'm pretty sure scott is scum now, but with how this game has been, it's getting harder to clear even Dan/Calix for their D1 stuff anymore.. I was quite sure of stutters being town, at least. Too bad he was the one who got lynched even so....

Well, I sure hope you're town or there's not going to be much of town thread presence left at this rate.


I'm not sure how much more obv town I can get, and it's a problem imo if I'm the towniest person in the game

Can we play another game?

Comparing Scott and Calix, who's posts have a more cautious constructed nature to them?


Hm. Calix doesn't seem like he's shared much of his thoughts. Mostly questions. scott has shared, but they've been pretty much safe/sheepish reads (for example, some pretty random/NAI reasons to scumread me after it became fashionable).

I guess you could say Calix would have been more careful in the sense that he hasn't pushed much of anything lately.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 03 2016 18:59 GMT
#1300
On October 04 2016 03:56 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2016 03:45 Xatalos wrote:
How is Doc+Vet OP though? I think Doc+Cop is more powerful for example. Cop can claim and live forever etc.

But the problem is if it's just Vet+Cop. Then Cop claiming would be stupid.


To roles that stop KP sounds pretty townfavored to me.

Idk I guess this is all moot until we get a claim or a blue flip but with a flipped Miller and scum having a GF I'd bet there is a cop.


Wasn't it random though?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 03 2016 18:59 GMT
#1301
Two blue roles will be randomized between the following roles: Doctor, Vigilante, Cop, Veteran.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 03 2016 19:15 GMT
#1306
On October 04 2016 04:08 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2016 03:52 Xatalos wrote:
On October 04 2016 03:46 Tictock wrote:
On October 04 2016 03:26 Xatalos wrote:
On October 04 2016 03:18 Tictock wrote:
That post you quoted was right after the lynch Skynx, not right before Daypost.

I do kinda like your point though.

Actually if I were to rate everyone in the game I would say Jealous and Calix have been the most sidelined players.

By that I mean they aren't doing much thats Super towny and they aren't doing anything that raises an eyebrow. Like I stand by what I said about Xata putting so much effort into that Stutters read vs his scumreads, but at the same time that doesn't fit mafia play at all. It just stands out like a sore thumb.


It's really hard to solve the game since most people aren't doing enough of anything noteworthy in the game. Myself included, kinda. I'm pretty sure scott is scum now, but with how this game has been, it's getting harder to clear even Dan/Calix for their D1 stuff anymore.. I was quite sure of stutters being town, at least. Too bad he was the one who got lynched even so....

Well, I sure hope you're town or there's not going to be much of town thread presence left at this rate.


I'm not sure how much more obv town I can get, and it's a problem imo if I'm the towniest person in the game

Can we play another game?

Comparing Scott and Calix, who's posts have a more cautious constructed nature to them?


Hm. Calix doesn't seem like he's shared much of his thoughts. Mostly questions. scott has shared, but they've been pretty much safe/sheepish reads (for example, some pretty random/NAI reasons to scumread me after it became fashionable).

I guess you could say Calix would have been more careful in the sense that he hasn't pushed much of anything lately.


That seems like a pretty fair assessment.

I like that Calix seems to consider stuff from a few points of view, but I also can't help but get the sense that Calix is the caliber of player that can use logic and reason as a front pretty well.

Since you like doing team stuff, would a Calix/Jeal team make sense to you or maybe a Calix/Scott?

No need to go too deep with this, just speculating.


Hm. I guess both could be possible. Calix maybe a bit better since he actively went for stutters over scott. Jealous voted for scott in the end, but then the result was already decided, so it doesn't really rule it out. This is just considering the last cycle. Getting too tired to read through possible earlier interactions with scott.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 03 2016 19:17 GMT
#1308
On October 04 2016 04:15 Skynx wrote:
Please leave blue discussion and read Calix & Dan.


I guess I could do that tomorrow. In the meanwhile, do state your own thoughts.

Good nighty.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 03 2016 19:19 GMT
#1309
On October 04 2016 04:15 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2016 04:08 Tictock wrote:
On October 04 2016 03:52 Xatalos wrote:
On October 04 2016 03:46 Tictock wrote:
On October 04 2016 03:26 Xatalos wrote:
On October 04 2016 03:18 Tictock wrote:
That post you quoted was right after the lynch Skynx, not right before Daypost.

I do kinda like your point though.

Actually if I were to rate everyone in the game I would say Jealous and Calix have been the most sidelined players.

By that I mean they aren't doing much thats Super towny and they aren't doing anything that raises an eyebrow. Like I stand by what I said about Xata putting so much effort into that Stutters read vs his scumreads, but at the same time that doesn't fit mafia play at all. It just stands out like a sore thumb.


It's really hard to solve the game since most people aren't doing enough of anything noteworthy in the game. Myself included, kinda. I'm pretty sure scott is scum now, but with how this game has been, it's getting harder to clear even Dan/Calix for their D1 stuff anymore.. I was quite sure of stutters being town, at least. Too bad he was the one who got lynched even so....

Well, I sure hope you're town or there's not going to be much of town thread presence left at this rate.


I'm not sure how much more obv town I can get, and it's a problem imo if I'm the towniest person in the game

Can we play another game?

Comparing Scott and Calix, who's posts have a more cautious constructed nature to them?


Hm. Calix doesn't seem like he's shared much of his thoughts. Mostly questions. scott has shared, but they've been pretty much safe/sheepish reads (for example, some pretty random/NAI reasons to scumread me after it became fashionable).

I guess you could say Calix would have been more careful in the sense that he hasn't pushed much of anything lately.


That seems like a pretty fair assessment.

I like that Calix seems to consider stuff from a few points of view, but I also can't help but get the sense that Calix is the caliber of player that can use logic and reason as a front pretty well.

Since you like doing team stuff, would a Calix/Jeal team make sense to you or maybe a Calix/Scott?

No need to go too deep with this, just speculating.


Hm. I guess both could be possible. Calix maybe a bit better since he actively went for stutters over scott. Jealous voted for scott in the end, but then the result was already decided, so it doesn't really rule it out. This is just considering the last cycle. Getting too tired to read through possible earlier interactions with scott.


Oh, I misread that as Jealous/scott. Calix/Jealous... No idea. I don't remember them doing anything with each other.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 03 2016 20:21 GMT
#1327
Oh damn. It was Skynx after all. Nice play with the "please lynch me" posting at deadline
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 03 2016 20:26 GMT
#1334
On October 04 2016 05:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
It's fairly unfortunate that the mafia team wifomed themselves into believing Calix was checked. I also believe Xatalos still had a chance to win it as DanelerH, Scott and Jealous were viable mislynches even if Calix had been checked.

The early game decision to bus Lunaticman ended up breaking the back of the scumteam. I don't think it was necessary with the thread pull Xatalos and Calix had.

All that said, I felt like a bunch of players did well in varying sections of the game. Calix and Xata played a fantastic early game in terms of getting townread. Tictock played very well when he subbed in and Skynx and ptmc managed to get themselves strongly townread as well.

Feel free to share your coaching QT's if you feel happy to do so and think someone else may get something out of it.


I don't think it's very realistic for me to mislynch all 3 in a row... Maybe 2 in a far-fetched possibility... but 3...

Yeah, maybe we should have focused on saving Lunaticman. He just seemed so busy and straight out scummy with his early posts that it felt like he would be lynched D2 anyway, leaving us in an awkward position..
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 03 2016 20:28 GMT
#1338
Who received the wrong host message btw?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
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