EPTWell, it wasn't really about what your reads were at that point, scott, but how they changed over time. Even if you have the same reads as someone, it doesn't mean you're the same alignment, especially if the path you took to arrive at those reads doesn't make sense.
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Well, it wasn't really about what your reads were at that point, scott, but how they changed over time. Even if you have the same reads as someone, it doesn't mean you're the same alignment, especially if the path you took to arrive at those reads doesn't make sense. | ||
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On October 02 2016 04:30 Stutters695 wrote: I'm town guys. I truly am sorry for not being more active. Anyway, once I flip town: Lynch Scott. Last scum is hiding somewhere between Skynx, ptmc, TT and jealous. I'll try to read them before I get lynched. Don't lynch Xata tomorrow. ##vote: scott31337 Please start shooting townie rainbows all over me to A) prevent me from having to do something possibly stupid if you're town and especially to B) make sure you're actually town and I'm not doing something truly terrible. If you can do that, that would be the absolute best scenario. | ||
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On October 02 2016 03:54 Tictock wrote: Also sorta spite for Xata trying to make this "I've got info that proves he's town but I don't wanna say it yet" shit. ![[image loading]](https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/502111486915788801/DtB5ruDz_400x400.jpeg) | ||
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On October 02 2016 05:02 Tictock wrote: I wonder if Xat is about to claim vig who shot stutters or some such nonsense. Lets watch!  wtf :D | ||
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This post actually changes some things. But ask yourselves: would scum stutters make this post? Or would town stutters? | ||
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First of all, I don't really know his meta/playstyle. Just looking at this game, though, there are a couple of things which made me lean town on him initially: 1) Careless posting style - the way he entered the thread was sure to attract attention, and not in a positive way - attention that would put him under the spotlight and make it harder for him to push any sort of scum agenda freely. When I imagine a typical scum opening post, it would be safe and blend in with the surroundings. The way stutters entered the game was nothing like that. 2) General lack of care for what others thought of him - I don't think I saw one post from him that felt like he was "posting for the sake of posting / looking better". His posts were a bit controversial all around during D1. 3) Of course, Lunatic's flip made stutters look quite a bit better as well. It would be extremely stupid for scum (Lunatic) to just casually townread his teammate for no good reason. After all, scum would want to distance themselves from each other appearance-wise, while perhaps subtly helping each other through their actions. But what Lunatic did achieved neither - it just put pressure/attention on them both and didn't help stutters in any way either. Occam's razor says it should be just scum giving a townread on some townie to blend in and perhaps pocket said townie. Now we get to the "secret" part. Unfortunately, I'm far less confident in this theory now than I was earlier today. In any case, here it is. First of all, this post made me think of something: On September 27 2016 00:01 Stutters695 wrote: Here's what's going to happen. I'm going to type some stuff up. Usually I would wait until EoD, but I work before then so I'll just throw it out. You guys will be like "wow, he does things and they make some sense, this dude is probably town." Just know you're cutting into my Overwatch time and that makes me sad. I have 100% confidence I won't be lynched. Who would have the most confidence in not being lynched? A blue player of course. Perhaps a VT/scum with some huge confidence, but it didn't seem like stutters was capable of that sort of extreme feats to clear himself just through his play. Why even say this as VT or especially scum? It would just put more pressure on himself to perform and make things harder for himself in the following days. The only time I've said something like this, I've been blue (2 times I've said a similar line AFAIK and I was blue both times). I'm pretty sure I've also seen another player saying this as blue. A situation where a scum said this doesn't come to my mind. Moving on... Considering stutters' play as a whole, he seemed to follow the thread very closely (even pointing out short sentences in long posts such as the Jealous thing), but didn't explain his thoughts too much. From scum, I would expect the opposite (not being very interested in what's actually happening but trying to make a good appearance). Whereas for blue play, it would make absolute sense (being extremely interested in small details going on in the game, but not daring to say much in order to avoid being shot). Granted, stutters seems to have been AFK for quite a while in between, but the times he was actively reading the thread he didn't post very much either. So, why reveal all this now? Because the whole theory largely came crumbling down after he said this: A blue would never say this. At least I would never say it as blue. So... He's either VT/scum or in an extremely WIFOMy mood. But I think VT is more likely since scum would have little motivation to say something like this either. Like... what would scum have to lose by having me say something "damaging for town"? It just makes no sense to reject that development. For all he knows, I might have been preparing to say a green-check on him or something (let's consider the scenario where he was Godfather and I was saying that I had "secret evidence" of him being town - who the hell scum would reject me saying it out loud in that situation?). So, as scum, it would be extremely foolish to make that post. That's it. He's probably not blue after all, but more likely town than scum still. | ||
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On October 02 2016 06:03 Calix wrote: Can we let the meta thing die? That Xat/ Stutters comment has been inflated to legendary proportions. Xatalos' post boils down to tone, attitude and associations which aren't terrible reasons actually, but the first half of that post didn't need to be hidden. That TPR part is literally Lunatic 2.0. At least this time, I can see why someone would conclude that he's a TPR from his posts although I think that's just Stutters being cocky. I think Rels came to a similar conclusion re: Stutters being a TPR. The earlier part of my post had been already written in my filter, maybe not as neatly collected. "Cocky" doesn't really explain the rest apart from his "I'll never be lynched" moment. | ||
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It's in the past regardless since he's almost certainly not a blue after all. | ||
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On October 02 2016 06:14 Stutters695 wrote: At this point if I was a blue I would have claimed it to not get lynched or at least trade with the cc. Yeah, that's true too. I thought you might be hiding it until closer to deadline earlier today, but now it would have certainly been the time to claim. (by the way, I once refused to claim as Cop as the leading wagon until there was only 30min until lynch - the funny thing is, I was just getting ready to claim when one of the scumsters slipped - bagging us a scum lynch without me having to claim!) | ||
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On October 02 2016 06:21 Calix wrote: What makes you think Scott > Stutters? Read Tictock's case on scott and my anti-case on stutters. Then it should be pretty clear. No clue how Tictock is even still going for stutters. | ||
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On October 02 2016 06:35 Jealous wrote: Both cases have pretty big holes imo, and both Scott and a stutters are doing a decent job of playing town coming towards eod. Overall, I'd have to say the case on Scott is marginally stronger, and I'm surprised Calix is defending him like this. Maybe Calix thinks her trains are always best trains, which I can empathize with. Anyway, I'm voting for what I see not what I presume. Vote scott then? | ||
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