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danelerH
Starts out with a fresh scum read on Koshi:
On August 29 2016 10:10 DanelerH wrote:I don't know if this is how xe normally plays, but I am currently suspicious of Koshi. Out of 27 posts so far, 16 of them were irrelevant and uncontributive. Out of the 11 that are a bit more contributive, two of them are cause for immediate suspicion: + Show Spoiler +On August 29 2016 06:21 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 06:21 Tumblewood wrote:
gonna jump on the "talk about trfel" ship
doesn't make a whole lot of sense that trfel would jokingly claim scum and then shift right into serious mode. well, maybe a little. I still don't like it.
vivax is also probably town for getting pissed at that. Or he is mafia with him! 2 found? On August 29 2016 07:02 Koshi wrote:
If anybody is interested. I don't think Tfrel has the balls to come out and claim scum. He was superscared last game as mafia. I would be VERY surprised if he turned that around so fast.
Almost 100% lock town tbh. Five of them are voting for Tumblewood without adding anything: + Show Spoiler +On August 29 2016 07:07 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 06:21 Tumblewood wrote:
gonna jump on the "talk about trfel" ship
doesn't make a whole lot of sense that trfel would jokingly claim scum and then shift right into serious mode. well, maybe a little. I still don't like it.
vivax is also probably town for getting pissed at that. This guy is mafia. On August 29 2016 07:13 Koshi wrote:
Tumblewood/Rels
prime suspects. On August 29 2016 07:15 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 07:14 Trfel wrote:
Wait, Koshi, I thought that you were joking about Tumblewood being mafia?
Assuming that you are actually suspicious of him, why? I don't like the read. Seems forced. Face value read. On August 29 2016 07:17 Koshi wrote:
Maybe that isn't the best explanation but you just gotta believe. On August 29 2016 07:20 Koshi wrote:
Ohh I know it:
He makes a really forced read on Tfrel and then adds "oh and Vivax is town" to get away with the forced read and get some extra cred. After xyr first vote, xe almost immediately switches to someone else, then back to the first vote: + Show Spoiler +On August 29 2016 07:52 Koshi wrote:
Going to vote Tumblewood. If he is mafia I am confirmed greatest player alive.
##unvote
##vote Tumblewood On August 29 2016 07:59 Koshi wrote:
##unvote
##vote disformation
Goddamn. I had spidersenses going off on one of those posts as well but ignored them. But I like that read even more than mine. On August 29 2016 08:02 Koshi wrote:
##unvote
##Tumblewood
I am going to stick with my own read. Maybe I like it a bit more after all. Even though that were some superpoor reads from disfo.
Also votes. I really liked this start.
Backs off when told that this is just koshis meta. which I also liked.
On August 29 2016 10:36 DanelerH wrote:
Mainly because I had thought Koshi was suspicious, so I wanted to bring this to light. Since it turns out that this is Koshi's normal playstyle, I'll be looking into someone else.
Then a pretty stale/unoriginal sheep on geript:
On August 30 2016 00:50 DanelerH wrote:Rels certainly seems suspicious for having ony said "yo", then disappearing, but I don't think we have enough information to lynch him. I'm more interested in Geript right now. Other than the posts in the spoiler below, his strange reads are pretty much all he's said. It would be one thing if they were ordered by person, then gives an alignment after each one, but they're ordered by timestamp, which makes them seem a lot less coherent. As Palmar pointed out, there is also a pretty blatant contradiction in his read on Race Bannon. Because of this, I think I'm going to vote for Geript, as well. + Show Spoiler +On August 29 2016 10:39 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 06:54 Palmar wrote:On August 29 2016 06:46 Trfel wrote:Oh boy, disformation, I can't wait to see how you react if/when I actually push you  For you less meta-inclined people, Palmar and Vivax are very likely town ^^ at least if Trfel is mafia and ever flips I'm spewed confirmed town status. That's nice. This is the most interesting post so far. I'm surprised Palmar doesn't want to lynch Trfel; usually, he'd be more than happy to flip someone he doesn't think is town in hopes to confirm himself. On August 29 2016 10:54 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 10:51 scott31337 wrote:On August 29 2016 10:39 geript wrote:On August 29 2016 06:54 Palmar wrote:On August 29 2016 06:46 Trfel wrote:Oh boy, disformation, I can't wait to see how you react if/when I actually push you For you less meta-inclined people, Palmar and Vivax are very likely town ^^ at least if Trfel is mafia and ever flips I'm spewed confirmed town status. That's nice. This is the most interesting post so far. I'm surprised Palmar doesn't want to lynch Trfel; usually, he'd be more than happy to flip someone he doesn't think is town in hopes to confirm himself. ![[image loading]](https://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/71378636.jpg) I do, but I'm at work. You'll get them later tonight.
Then becomes suspicious of scott:
On August 31 2016 04:17 DanelerH wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2016 03:45 Vivax wrote:On August 31 2016 03:23 DanelerH wrote:On August 31 2016 03:12 scott31337 wrote:
Would lynch:
Tumblewood
Rels
Geript This seems like an odd list. I don't recall you ever saying anything about Geript being suspcious. Nope he disagreed with Palmar about geript That's what I thought. I'm starting to become tempted to lynch Scott. Show nested quote +On August 31 2016 04:03 scott31337 wrote:On August 31 2016 03:49 disformation wrote:On August 31 2016 03:45 Vivax wrote:On August 31 2016 03:23 DanelerH wrote:On August 31 2016 03:12 scott31337 wrote:
Would lynch:
Tumblewood
Rels
Geript This seems like an odd list. I don't recall you ever saying anything about Geript being suspcious. Nope he disagreed with Palmar about geript hm. On August 30 2016 05:47 scott31337 wrote:On August 30 2016 05:37 Holyflare wrote:
Enough talking about geript and tw, let's focus on you know, the rest of the game?
Dane comes in and can only focuses on one person to vote (geript) but it's basically a sheep, returns and seems annoyed that they got called out and maintain that they are still voting geript when voti I wasn't a fan of this either - I didn't like the geript case all that much to be honest. He seems a bit scared to post, you know what I mean? I'm down for lynching Tumble as well - Rels WTF you at?!? Yo scott what happened? It has to do with this posting I read yesterday - he did his "scroll through and point out" thing - but I have no idea where he stands of who he wants to lynch. I don't want to quote everything, but there's three townreads (HF, vivax, Koshi) and he likes your read progression - does he Scumread RB? Like I have no clue besides a few town reads where he stands. He'd be at the bottom of the three I listed. You don't know where xe stands? I think the voting thread makes it quite obvious. Geript plans on lynching Disformation.
On August 31 2016 05:44 DanelerH wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2016 04:20 Trfel wrote:
I could maybe lynch DanelerH, though. It's just very hard to see him approaching this game from a town mindset. I cannot figure out how he's going about solving the game, the direction of his filter seems to be more just random. The biggest example of that being his latest series of posts, where after voting for geript yesterday, he talks about some random, disconnected stuff today, of no relevance to the lynch.
The only problem is that I could maybe see him being town and not posting many of his actual thoughts, to the point that the progression in what he has posted makes no sense.
That said, the point that Holyflare made on him makes a lot of sense, and his response doesn't seem very interested in figuring out people's alignments. There actually is a reason for that. I was going back over everyone's filters and found a few questions I wanted to ask. In each case, there was an answer they could have given that would have directly contradicted something that they said around the post I was quoting. Unfortunately, that ended up being fruitless. Luckily, I noticed Scott had disagreed with lynching Geript, despite having listed xym in the list of people to lynch. Because of this, I'm going to change my vote to Scott. ##vote Scott
He also had a few interactions/questions with TW and I could see him not wanting to vote TW of the answers. Unfortunately he wasnt very expressive on his actual TW read.
But from a point of reasoning, I am actually kinda cool with this stuff.
Thing that kinda bothers me though:
- Rels (6) - Holyflare, disformation, Koshi, Tumblewood, Tictock, Palmar
- Tumblewood (1) - scott31337
- scott31337 (4) - Vivax, Rels, DanelerH, Trfel
- Vivax (1) - Race Bannon
- DanelerH (1) - geript
Looking at that. From the distribution of votes alone I would say there are 3 possibilities:
a) 1 scum on Rels, 1 scum on scott, 1 scum off wagon
b) 2 scum Rels, 1 scum scott
c) 1 scum Rels, 2 scum off wagon
d) 2 scum Rels, 1 scum off wagon
I don't think 2 scum would be on scott here.
If scott is scum, which is not that unlikely, that would further point to a world where 0 scum are on scott, since both the TW and the Rels wagon where fairly easy to hop onto.
Like with this votecount:
On August 31 2016 05:46 beentheredonethat wrote:Day 1: Vote Count #7![[image loading]](https://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/66998607.jpg)
Votes: - Rels (0) -
Palmar, Vivax, scott31337, disformation, Koshi, Tictock
- Trfel (0) -
disformation
- disformation (1) -
Holyflare, Koshi, geript
- Tumblewood (5) -
Koshi, Koshi, Holyflare, scott31337, Tictock, Palmar, disformation, disformation, Trfel
- Koshi (0) -
DanelerH
- geript (2) -
Palmar, disformation, DanelerH, Palmar, Tumblewood
- scott31337 (4) - Vivax, Rels,
Trfel, DanelerH, Trfel
- TicTock (0) -
Tumblewood
- Vivax (1) -
disformation, Race Bannon
Not voting: -
Currently, Tumblewood is set to be lynched.
Remember, voting is mandatory. Please vote in the voting thread. If the vote count is not accurate or contains errors, please PM a host.
Day 1 will end in (deadline being Tuesday, Aug 30 9:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)).
I dont think scumbuddies would be voting scott. If scott is scum.
So dane looks okay from vca imo. If scott is scum he looks a lot better.
On the other hand: noone from the scott train switched to rels. So if like all wagons are town, this might point to scum, cause scum might have been too careful with switching, since they dont want to look bad.
you know like scott who got stranded on his tw vote.
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tt's eod vote stuff looks bad, mkay.
vote suspiciousness: high
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On September 01 2016 04:00 scott31337 wrote:
LOL Nice one Race.
Getting swamped with a site crapping out - but I'm sort of around.
i hope you have some nice boots and something against the smell.
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nice boots as in: good for walking in a sewer and stuff
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also: insert obvious "This is a Game of Throws" joke here.
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Thanks, Scum!
Sry, Town. That was incredible incredible stupid of me.
Screw you Vivax.
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damn it. I had koshi + hf, but I didnt put palmar into that.
no wonder I was having really hard trouble deciding who to sheep D1. ALL YA FUCKERS WHERE SCUM! =D
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Sry everyone.
Claiming my role in this completely unnecessary manner was an incredible stupid move. Probably the worst I could have done as cop.
Even though apparently scum would have shot me N1 anyway, my claim denied town information regarding the N1 shot, so I take responsibility for this loss.
Also sry btdt (and the rest of the host crew) for pulling this shit in your first game, when you clearly put a lot of effort in the flavour and everything.
I am at a point were I feel I take this game way too serious. My situation in this game had me stressed out to no end and Vivi managed to get me so mad, that I was violently shaking IRL to a point were I was not able to properly hold my phone. Kinda surprised I managed to actually post in that state. So I will take a break from actually playing games until I feel I am calmed down and relaxed enough to not see the game as my first job.
Prolly will obswarrior and co-host a bit.
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Okay, so let me try to explain why I got THIS mad.
First:
I played two very tryhard games before this one and was kinda exhausted from that. I was hoping this game would be a bit more chill, but then I rolled cop. Not wanting to get bluesniped for sandbagging, I kept up my tryhardiness.
Second:
After Rels flipped D1, I kinda felt the weight of the whole game on my shoulders as I felt my checks would be critical to save town. Especially since the reads where all over the place and I felt like I had no idea what was going on. So I was agonizing over who to check all day.
Third:
I get into an argument with Vivi, which is kinda annoying at the start cause cause he is either a blockhead, or doesn't get my point, or is scum or a combination of those things. Which is okay. Then he posts this:
On September 01 2016 00:53 Vivax wrote:
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What are you doing disfo?
And to me that felt like a really bad insult at that time. Like nearly everything else would have not gotten me so mad.
"Your reads are horseshit go away" - Fine he is right, my D1 reads are horseshit most of the time. That is why I sheep D1.
"<insert mom joke here>" - <insert mom joke here>
"<insert insult that is not enough to get him modkilled>" - would have probably been able to walk away from that
"<insert insult that is enough to get him modkilled>" - k, cu
Again what I am trying say here is that I would have been okay with a multitude of different wordings of that.
But I took What are you doing disfo? as a really underhanded and thinly veiled way of saying that I didn't do jack this game.
Which got me incredibly fucking mad, I would have understood a criticism to the quality of my posts, but not this underhanded way of accusing me of doing jack all when I am clearly busting my ass to try and save this game to an extend where it negatively effects my productivity at work and my sleep.
And at that point I was already on full tilt and not thinking. I think I tried to step back once or twice, but I was so damn angry I just kept on coming right back. So when he also kept on going I just reached the point where I was like "fuck it, solve the game yourself"
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Best of Holyflare feat. Koshi
On September 02 2016 03:34 Holyflare wrote:
This game became officially boring.
After shooting the guy with the highest activity and postcount. Well played.
On September 02 2016 03:43 Holyflare wrote:I'm so bored in fact that I'm reading my old filters. I'm really good at this game. Show nested quote +On July 23 2015 08:30 Holyflare wrote:Also, there was an incredible problem that I pointed out in the obs qt and why you people think spam is so detrimental to the game. You people simply do not play with that style properly at all: HolyflarePerson was signed in when posted
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like seriously nobody even reads games anymore or looks at post in the context of the thread, that's why they all play like shit and think things look good when they read filters
there have been 0 cases from townies on anyone in this entire game since vivax and myself died
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you know how fucking stupid that is? they tried to lynch va yesterday for no reason, they are lynching clarity today for no reason that anyone has explained, nobody is playing mafia they are just saying other people are mafia I'm actually surprised this game had more cases in but people still kind of play the same way and it's still me and vivax :D
Complaining about there being no cases, while voting Palmar together with 3 other ppl for no apparent reason. Well played.
Also: shoutout to town doing jack. Well played.
Also apparently that was a bus. Well played.
On September 01 2016 09:06 Holyflare wrote:
Also super wifom but I don't think the mafia team may be comprised of very good/active people because that disfo cop claim looked really fake to me and I'm not dead (but surprise surprise palmar is pushing me)
Also super wifom, but scum is so active that town has 0 thread presence with disfo gone. Well played.
On September 01 2016 18:45 Holyflare wrote:
Why hasn't scott posted his spreadsheets then?
It's not me bringing this information up because everybody is saying it. I haven't seen a spreadsheet. Have you seen a spreadsheet?
Why doesn't he show his spreadsheet? And you know what? I wish he would. Because I think it's a terrible pal that's hanging over him. He should show his spreadsheet.
It’s hard to believe he doesn’t produce his spreadsheet if he has one; it would be so easy to do.
I've been told that it's not there or it doesn't exist. And if that's the case it's a big problem.
There's no spreadsheet!
On August 30 2016 05:47 Koshi wrote:
When I said you were the best mafia player I also meant were the best mafia player.
Proof: My last mafia game.
On August 30 2016 05:49 Holyflare wrote:
Come back to me when you win a game with a red check on you when the cop flipped three cycles ago koshi.
well played.
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On September 06 2016 06:14 Damdred wrote:
Disfo bud don't let it get to you we all have been there tbh, as much as I love vivax (which I do) sometimes he is a hard pill to swallow.
Take you a short break and then come play some fun games XD
aw <3
yeah don't worry. I am probably fine if I dont all out tryhard like three games back to back. and learn to chill a bit, esp. when I get blue. Some deadlines might be a tad late for me though, so need to be a bit careful there.
Maybe I ll get into a rhythm of obsing/co-hosting one, playing one, repeat.
And yes the hosting was great. You could have bossed luna/oneg into doing a few more vote counts during the day maybe.
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On September 06 2016 06:19 geript wrote:
Really though, game was totally unbalanced. That scum team was ridic. If the cop weren't an idiot, then we get a freebie red check in the least. But eh. That sucked.
my n1 check would have been Dane. So thats a green.
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On September 06 2016 06:22 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2016 06:21 disformation wrote:On September 06 2016 06:19 geript wrote:
Really though, game was totally unbalanced. That scum team was ridic. If the cop weren't an idiot, then we get a freebie red check in the least. But eh. That sucked. my n1 check would have been Dane. So thats a green. That's a terrible check. You never check him there.
okay. why?
this is was my second time rolling blue and the last time was my very first game here on tl.net where I was a prot role. So if you have advice I want to hear it.
though process:
first I wanted to check RB because he was like nigh unreadable. Then he posted his screenshot.
I changed to Vivi when I was angry at him.
Changed to Dane, because he was another one I was very 50/50 and figured we would still have problems figure him out like D3.
Didn't want to check scott or tw, because I thought they would be likely D2 lynches anyway.
Didn't want to check you/HF/palmar/koshi N1 because I felt it to be a bit too early for like tinfoil checks? I mean I don't think checking ppl you townread is a gread Idea N1?
If I would have checked one of this group that would probably been you.
I thought about yolo checking HF for a second, but as I said that felt too much of a tinfoil ffor my N1 check?
I kinda wanted to eliminate a question mark N1.
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uh lol HF was also GF. GG.
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KoshiPerson was signed in when posted
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Yeah. Pretty insane.
@disformation. The claim didn't matter. We decided to kill you before
<3
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On September 06 2016 06:39 disformation wrote:KoshiPerson was signed in when posted 08-31-2016 05:39 PM ET (US) Yeah. Pretty insane. @disformation. The claim didn't matter. We decided to kill you before <3
claim was still bad, as it kinda denied town information though.
bed time for me.
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On September 06 2016 06:27 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2016 06:17 geript wrote:
I'm never trusting my reads on any of those 3 again. I'm just going to tunnel the hell out of them so that they can hate the game as much as I hated this one. Bruh you need to play on holidays you have more potential than that. We could have been a good team this game, for a change. @ disfo "what are you doing" referred to mostly you trying to argue I was mafia when I thought it was obvious it wasn't the case, so it was veiled criticism of you pushing me, not of your overall play. My scum play is really weak, I felt sort of improved in my last scum game but still, it lacks flexibility and activity. Go read a few of my scum games when you don't feel sure about me. @ Damdred Thx for the <3 friend, we southerners need to stick together  @ game in general In games like these I really regret games not being more IML. Might host/cohost one myself. Only problem is people posting after hammers which is hard to mod, but it really makes the game more interesting and fast. @ Host Really appreciate the effort going into hosting here., it was super smooth. I'm just going to be honest, I don't read all of the flavour you write, but I hope you had fun writing it up.
yeah, after calming down and being dead I figured that I probably just took it way worse than it was intended. -.-
I blame lack of sleep/too much coffee/being to stressed.
I think I had you town before exploding and I think my scum read in obs was kinda half-assed. xD
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On September 06 2016 06:49 Holyflare wrote:I've also been perma banned at work from mafia so no more mafia from me  It was hard enough being able to post at work to begin with.
aw. that sucks.
I enjoyed playing with you, even if you owned me hard this game.
hope the future is brighter and we get to play again at some point.
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On September 06 2016 06:48 Damdred wrote:
The claim might of been bad (it wasn't optimal i will say that) but i don't think it affected the game in the way you think it did, you were obvious town and had already been deemed as the kill from what I understood it.
We have had much much worse claims and cc.
I still don't know how palmar gets away with it every time being alive for so long </3 and never catching scum.
Well, it was a mistake and thus I want to acknowledge it as such.
On September 06 2016 13:59 Onegu wrote:
Also I lol'd hard when I saw the scum team. Btdt was like I don't know any of these players, palmar is a good player.
Yeah, I would have had a laughing fit upon seeing that, too. xD
On September 06 2016 16:12 Superbia wrote:
A small tip for future players: Next time take a step back and look at the game as a whole and then evaluate what role everyone is playing.
Palmar and HF went at each other d1 (iirc) but this died out really quietly. When two veterans go at each other there's usually a good reason (if one of them is town). Moreover, it should have a result. A conclusion.
Instead, it felt like it reached a status quo. Neither of them seemed interested in each other. Ask yourself, at that point, why? What happened to their convictions earlier, and why do they seem less and less interested in each other the longer the game went (and the more town died, and the more mafia was winning)?
Instead (or on top of) of analysing filters and posts, take a step back and look at what players are actually doing. As the game progresses and the town is losing, how does it affect a player? If player A thinks player B is scum during d1. And the game progresses without any mafia kills. And both players are alive. Is it not more likely that player A would revisit his scum-read on player B?
Ok end of the rant-esque post. I don't want to take anything away from the scum team, as they played very well, but I think town could've definitely taken this one based on interactions.
That is actually pretty good advise. Will try to keep that in mind.
Also general thoughts about the game, from my pov before I exploded:
My reads D1 are pretty wonky. They get better as the games progresses and I can use VCA/PoE and filter diving later in the game.
My goals for D1 are trying to get TR as much as possible, so I don't get ML (since I cant waffle about my own role PM) and trying to find a strong TR to sheep.
I was really struggling on the later part, cause I was a bit iffy about most ppl this game...
Like with the interactions between koshi/palmar/hf and geript I thought at least one would be scum, maybe two, but I couldn't figure out who.
Sheeping HF on Rels was kinda bad because of this and other reasons as well.
Probably need to work on my D1 reads a bit.
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