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Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 22 2016 19:41 GMT
#1292
Tumble is scum
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 22 2016 19:43 GMT
#1294
The reasonning is simple.
Tumble tunneled me the last game we played together. We were both town. He had a thoughtful reasonning as to why I was scum, but he was super wrong. Nevertheless he tunneled me and lost the game when mafia piled the votes on me.
He said post game he was going to work on his tunnel.
But he's doing the opposite this game. He's tunneling me so much this game that he's scumreading Koshi uniquely because "Rels is scum". Apart from that he gave 0 reason as to why I'm scum.
Scum scum scum
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 22 2016 19:45 GMT
#1298
+ Palmar was killed. It was a very weird shot. But his scumread at EOD1 was Tumble. It's another scum indicator for Tumble.
This is more weak because Palmar is a strong player and NK are WIFOM by nature.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 22 2016 19:46 GMT
#1300
Tumble explain your scumread on me
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 22 2016 19:50 GMT
#1306
Another point on tumble
His D1 was weak. Super weak. Especially EOD1.
I was AFK during a lazrge portion of D1. I got some votes on me, Tumble was part of it. When I come, instead of discussing with me he reacts like that:
On July 22 2016 04:17 Tumblewood wrote:
rels I saw a post (or maybe it was two, I can't remember) so you'd better spew town to keep from getting lynched

On July 22 2016 04:27 Tumblewood wrote:
okay I read DC's filter and content-wise it sucks but that's much less important than mindset for newbies and I think his mindset is town. rels sorry but you're getting lynched today. I don't see anyone who is a better option than you.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 22 2016 19:50 GMT
#1307
On July 23 2016 04:46 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2016 04:43 Rels wrote:
The reasonning is simple.
Tumble tunneled me the last game we played together. We were both town. He had a thoughtful reasonning as to why I was scum, but he was super wrong. Nevertheless he tunneled me and lost the game when mafia piled the votes on me.
He said post game he was going to work on his tunnel.
But he's doing the opposite this game. He's tunneling me so much this game that he's scumreading Koshi uniquely because "Rels is scum". Apart from that he gave 0 reason as to why I'm scum.
Scum scum scum

are you honestly scumreading someone because you think they're doing something dumb and tunneling? just because I said something postgame two games ago I won't give up my reads because they're fucking right.

You have no read. You just have an endless tunnel.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 22 2016 19:51 GMT
#1310
On July 23 2016 04:49 Grackaroni wrote:
2nd vote on Rels and he's not even here today. Slow the fuck down. If we lynch somebody before I get a chance to go through this thread I am going to be pissed.

Calm down ^^ 2 votes are not a lot and the day is still young.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 22 2016 19:51 GMT
#1312
On July 23 2016 04:50 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2016 04:46 Rels wrote:
Tumble explain your scumread on me

first 24 hours: (nothing)
first posts: random shitty scumreads
EoD: throwing shit on the wall to see what sticks with lynches, but emphasizing dcwasabi who is and was obvious town
pretty clear-cut to me. you obviously don't and can't believe your reads because they're so weak and so all over the place.

What reads I "can't believe" ?
Why is DC "clear cut" town ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 22 2016 20:03 GMT
#1318
Day 1 vote recap colored with flips

Please use it if you wanna check something.

nnn_thekushmountains (6): Grackaroni, Palmar Grackaroni, koshi, Palmar, sicklucker, Dcwasabi, prphlz
DCWasabi(3): Rels, Skynx, emperorchampion, Lunaticman
Rels (1): Prplhz, emperorchampion, Palmar, Lunaticma Tumblewood, prphlz
Kruppe the Eel(1): Koshi, Prplhz, Grackaroni, Skynx, Sicklucker
Skynx(1): Kruppe the Eel, Palmar
emperorchampion (1): [s]Lunaticman]/s], Tumblewood
Sicklucker(1):: nnn_thekushmountains
Palmar(0):: Lunaticman
Lunaticman(0): Skynx

Mm it will be a lot more interesting with a scum flip. A few things though.
My wagon was a "default" wagon, to push the game forward and see what happens. When I started posting seriously everyone jumped off it, apart from (1) Tumble tunneling me and (2) prp that jumped on me at the very end, before switching to kush. These are weird votes.
Kruppe's wagon started randomly and grew super fast. So fast that Kruppe had to claim to stop it. There is a good chance that there is at least one scum in it, jumping on the occasion. After all Kruppe was an easy scumread to push.
Finally, kush's wagon. I thought it had more votes difference with DC than that. Only 3 votes difference, and the last two votes appeared very close to the deadline (during the last 20 minutes). DC in particular only came back to the thread ~20 minutes before deadline. It's possible he planned on AFKing the lynch but feared being lynched after all and came back to the thread to vote.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 22 2016 20:08 GMT
#1323
On July 23 2016 04:59 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2016 04:51 Rels wrote:
On July 23 2016 04:50 Tumblewood wrote:
On July 23 2016 04:46 Rels wrote:
Tumble explain your scumread on me

first 24 hours: (nothing)
first posts: random shitty scumreads
EoD: throwing shit on the wall to see what sticks with lynches, but emphasizing dcwasabi who is and was obvious town
pretty clear-cut to me. you obviously don't and can't believe your reads because they're so weak and so all over the place.

What reads I "can't believe" ?
Why is DC "clear cut" town ?

like, all seventy of your scumreads. there is no way you came back to thread after afkness and had a very strong DC (aka dude with 100% town mindset) read and four other scumreads and you believed all of them.

That is a lie.
The only strong scumread I had was:
On July 22 2016 04:41 Rels wrote:
DC have a fair chance being scum. His filter have almost no content BUT all of his big posts are made to feel like they actually have content. A recurring theme these these big posts is "INACTIVE IS DIFFERENT FROM SCUMMY". Look, it comes back very often:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2016 02:07 DCWasabi wrote:
On July 20 2016 23:34 Tumblewood wrote:
On July 20 2016 23:28 emperorchampion wrote:
On July 20 2016 23:26 Tumblewood wrote:
actually no
luna's one post is not enough to balance out his previous posting. he's been posting but hardly playing all game. that definitely warrants a scumlean in my book. (this also applies to ec)
also if luna is scum I guess koshi isn't partners because why make a scum case and not go for the cred? shitty mafia move.


Actually I've been playing the game a lot, so what's your scum lean based off of?

when I say "posting but not playing" I mean you and luna are making a lot of posts but hardly working toward solving the game.


OK, but if there is one thing that I learned from my first 2 games, it is that it is pretty nontrivial to "work towards solving the game" on Day 1. I think the first thing that is useful that one can do is get some activity out there day 1, and get your tone established so that you can be more easily read as town by the town moving forwards. I think this is one of the things that I actually did properly as town in the Onegu Best Host Game.

Town should be trying to solve the game, but some of the players haven't even posted yet, for example it is 10am local time for me and I just woke-up 30 mins ago and am trying to get caught up.

I don't scumlean either of those guys yet, tbh.

At the same time, I kind of like this post by Tumble because it is the kind of thing that can help to start more meaningful discussion going and discourage people from posting random banter, otherwise they might get scum-read by this reasoning.

I am going to slightly town-lean Tumble because his post leads to a slightly more favorable environment for town.

This one doesn't even address the problematic, since Tumble was not attacking Luna and EC for making joke post, but for making "fake contributory" posts.
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2016 02:15 DCWasabi wrote:
On July 21 2016 01:58 prplhz wrote:
On July 21 2016 01:38 Lunaticman wrote:
On July 21 2016 01:35 prplhz wrote:
On July 21 2016 01:25 Lunaticman wrote:
On July 21 2016 01:19 prplhz wrote:
On July 21 2016 01:14 Lunaticman wrote:
There is a worrying amount of silent players

what do you mean by this?

who is silent and why is that worrying?


I just think the silent mafia is the hardest mafia to beat!

They will probably post when I am asleep. But we still need more "reads"

why do you think silent mafia are harder to beat?

what makes you think they will post when you're asleep when they're not posting now?


Because it turns into a guessing game, you should know this.

Because they might be on different time zones. Hence my earlier question to americans.

but the OP says 10 posts or you're dead so people will post or they will die. problem solved. also, if they don't post because they're in another timezone then time will pass and suddenly they will start posting so it seems like problem will solve itself again.

dunno why it's so worrying.

and no, i don't know that lurking scum are more worrying. i think active scum are just as worrying because sometimes they turn out to be impossible to kill. maybe because i just played with damdred and he was reasonably active scum and impossible to kill and i didn't realize this until it was too late.


This makes sense. Damdred totally fooled me last 2 games as active Mafia.

Also, the rules of the game should have people posting when they are awake and able, so it is quite premature to worry about activity, we should be looking at the tone, content, purpose, etc... of what people are posting when they start posting.

Noting the people that haven't posted yet is good, not bad, since it will encourages them to post.
But, it doesn't mean that they are scum.

Useless.
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2016 03:45 DCWasabi wrote:
On July 21 2016 03:10 Lunaticman wrote:
My gut is telling me;

Town:
emperorchampion
Rels
Tumblewood
Koshi
Prplhz

There might be one mafia in there of course, it is to early to say,

A bit scummy:
Skynx
Gracaroni
Kruppe the eel
Palmar

The rest are blanks for me.

DCWasabi
sicklucker
nnn_thekushmountains



How are you reading Kruppe the eel and Palmar as scummy when they haven't posted anything yet.
They should be null.

What makes you think that they are scummy?

Show nested quote +
On July 21 2016 03:51 DCWasabi wrote:
On July 21 2016 03:47 Lunaticman wrote:
On July 21 2016 03:45 DCWasabi wrote:
On July 21 2016 03:10 Lunaticman wrote:
My gut is telling me;

Town:
emperorchampion
Rels
Tumblewood
Koshi
Prplhz

There might be one mafia in there of course, it is to early to say,

A bit scummy:
Skynx
Gracaroni
Kruppe the eel
Palmar

The rest are blanks for me.

DCWasabi
sicklucker
nnn_thekushmountains



How are you reading Kruppe the eel and Palmar as scummy when they haven't posted anything yet.
They should be null.

What makes you think that they are scummy?


They havent posted yet.


That doesn't mean they are Mafia, it just means they are inactive.
We could Policy Lynch for inactivity, or we can Lynch somebody we actually are reading as mafia.
If they don't get active before the deadline, then host action will take place based on OP.

If they wait till the deadline, then post low-content / meaningless things, then we can lynch them on D2 if we think they are Mafia lurking in the shadows.

We do want them to be more active, but we don't want to derail the thread throwing darts at empty space.

Useless question to luna + a big post based on luna's answer, yet no conclusion on luna. I don't know what was the point of his question. Pointless questions are a good way to "participate" for scum.
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2016 04:56 DCWasabi wrote:
On July 21 2016 04:20 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
scum
1) Prplhz
2) DCWasabi
6) Rels
7) sicklucker
8) Gracaroni
11) Kruppe the eel
12) Koshi
13) Palmar



Is this 1920's Chicago, or something?
No way there are that many Mafia.

On a more serious note, I'm going to go Full-Sherlock here and determine that you are Null or Town reading:

3) Skynx
4) Lunaticman
5) emperorchampion
10) Tumblewood
yourself

Can you post some reasons?

Show nested quote +
On July 21 2016 04:58 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
On July 21 2016 04:56 DCWasabi wrote:
On July 21 2016 04:20 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
scum
1) Prplhz
2) DCWasabi
6) Rels
7) sicklucker
8) Gracaroni
11) Kruppe the eel
12) Koshi
13) Palmar



Is this 1920's Chicago, or something?
No way there are that many Mafia.

On a more serious note, I'm going to go Full-Sherlock here and determine that you are Null or Town reading:

3) Skynx
4) Lunaticman
5) emperorchampion
10) Tumblewood
yourself

Can you post some reasons?

yes I can but I won't because that would take effort and not be that fun.

No reaction on kush answer.

He is a good lynch
I'll read some other filters to see if I prefer someone else. But he is a good lynch.

I also had a post on prp and a post on you being possible scum. That is it.

Actually I found a post of mine resuming my mindset after catching up:
On July 22 2016 05:01 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2016 04:54 Lunaticman wrote:
I'd be fine lynching Kruppe, Palmar. The others are honestly null reads to me so far.

I could also condone something like: DCWasabi, Prplhz, sicklucker, nnn,thekushmountains.

To me Rels reads like town to much, if he is mafia he sure is fooling me.

Palmar might be town. Kruppe I'm not sure but I'm not seeing the scuminess. kush could be anything but I dont' really want to lynch him today because he usually stays AFK for long periods of time as scum, he's kinda easy to read the later the game goes. SL I forgot he was in the game, but him not doing anything D1 is possible for any alignment, so a lynch on him would be a pure policy. I want to read his filter before ruling him out but since I don't remember anything he's said I don't think I'll find anything interesting.
It's probably gonna be between DC and PRP.
And no worries about me I'm town.

On July 22 2016 05:02 Rels wrote:
Tumble is a possibility too. He voted me for no reason at the moment I came back to the thread. He didn't state any reason for the vote, he could be scum going with the wind. And he left while I was questionning him on his attack on EC earlier.

So, one strong scumread and two scumleans.
There. Prove there was more or STFU
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 22 2016 20:10 GMT
#1325
Grac are you a strong scum ?
(lie and I will find out)
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 22 2016 20:11 GMT
#1326
I mean in past games, not in this game because I suppose your answer is always "no" in this game p:
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 22 2016 20:14 GMT
#1330
On July 23 2016 05:11 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2016 05:10 Rels wrote:
Grac are you a strong scum ?
(lie and I will find out)

My mileage may vary. I have some strong scum games and some shitty scum games and none really in the middle.

K. Cause I'm rereading EOD1 and this psot is super townie:
On July 22 2016 06:08 Grackaroni wrote:
Let the WAGON OF JUSTICE commence!
First I was ignored.
Then I was suspected.
But now my wisdom has shown through.
let justice prevail.
Down with the scoundrel!
##Vote: Kushm4sta

I mean, it got a townie killed, but you were the main force behind kush's lynch. Scum usually are more careful being the main point of attention.
I've got to meta you to see if it's in your scum wheelhouse then.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 22 2016 20:17 GMT
#1333
On July 23 2016 05:14 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2016 22:34 Koshi wrote:
a fear kill is almost always coming from Rels or sicklucker here.

Palmar dieing is really odd anyway.. I think there were obvious townies in the thread. Palmar really was not one of them.


i agree I said the same thing koshi but said you or rels and then I said probably.

its probably rels....

yo bro
it's not
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 22 2016 20:19 GMT
#1334
On July 23 2016 05:16 Grackaroni wrote:
Rels do you still think DCwasabi is scum?

Yeah. He did nothing to explain his wasteful posts at the very end of D1. Actually he continued talking about it.
And him coming back to the thread 20 minutes before deadline when the votes were 4-3 is suspicious too.
Tumble is asking to get lynched though. I think he decided to play "too scummy to be scum" and just mindlessly tunnel on people and posting anything.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 22 2016 20:20 GMT
#1337
Skynx, Grac is very townie. Even the way he's interrogating your is townie.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 22 2016 20:20 GMT
#1338
On July 23 2016 05:20 Lunaticman wrote:
FUCK IT, can't we just lynch Koshi then, if he flips scum we will have loads to build on. If he flipps town I don't know though.

I am honestly pretty lost today.

Why is Koshi scum ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 22 2016 20:27 GMT
#1344
Yeeeah Koshi is not scum. Koshi hated playing scum and his filter doesn't show this at all. In particular this thing here:
On July 22 2016 05:25 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2016 05:22 Rels wrote:
On July 22 2016 05:19 Koshi wrote:
On July 22 2016 05:12 Rels wrote:
prp is a OK lynch too. His main contribution this game was getting people to vote me for no reason. Alone voting "just to see what happens" is not scummy, but since he's done almost nothing else he could be scum.
His first half of his filter is useless.
His second half is just attacking lunatic but not scumreading him.
In between he votes me and stays on me to see what happens.

Not impossible he's a bad town. Still an alright lynch.

This is a very lazy and cheap summarize of somebody his filter.
Town is nothing with this.

prplhz is insane lynchbait in every game. He had a couple good posts this game so I don't see why you would want to lynch him over others.

Wrong. He was not "insane lynchbait" last game. And I remember someone last game saying he was more useless as scum than as town too.

The guy played 50 games on this site and got lynched in 45. Who the fuck cares what happened in your last game.

I don't even care about prplhz his alignment atm. I care about the fact that was another throwaway read you gave. Not a single read you have given this game had anything resembling thought process in it. It's all cheap and generic.

100% ignored. You are most likely mafia or can't be worked with.




Pretty sure town will either lynch a townread of mine or a null read anyway. It's incredible.

I am gone for 30 hours. It's useless.

He had the perfect excuse to just shut ut for the rest of the EOD1. And he didn't. He still posted 15 times more after that, being very involved with kush's lynch (a lynch he would know to be wrong if he was scum). Even now he's working with Skynx instead of cracking under the pressure of being scumread like he did in Star Wars.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 22 2016 20:28 GMT
#1347
On July 23 2016 05:24 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2016 23:40 Skynx wrote:
You guys should lynch Koshi, Grack, SL in this order. Cop should check kruppe and Luna.

emperor, haze, rels are always town.


neither of you are getting lynched today fyi relax. its probably rels

bro I am not scum and you're starting to annoy me strongly scumreading me only because of a NK
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 22 2016 20:29 GMT
#1350
On July 23 2016 05:26 Lunaticman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2016 05:20 Rels wrote:
On July 23 2016 05:20 Lunaticman wrote:
FUCK IT, can't we just lynch Koshi then, if he flips scum we will have loads to build on. If he flipps town I don't know though.

I am honestly pretty lost today.

Why is Koshi scum ?


I'm following Tumbles argument. Besides Koshi has such a large filter we are bound to find another mafia if he flips. I cant really read him as mafia myself though. If Koshi flips town tumble should be the next auto lynch.

Also my radar has pinned Krupp, Tumble and Koshi I posted it early today.

I admit that I am grasping at straws but it feels right.

You don't kill people just because it would be nice if they flipped scum p:
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