EPT[M][N] Presidential Election Mini Mafia - Page 5
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On June 26 2016 19:55 Superbia wrote: What about TT art? Still my strongest scumread. Nothing in our exchange made me really reconsider. Asking about who I'd vote for mayor feels like a useless question too, not sure what he was planning on getting out of that when I had already posted my reads. | ||
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On June 26 2016 19:59 Jean Valjean wrote: It looks like we're yet again at odds Artanis! Let's see who had the better reads postgame. | ||
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On June 26 2016 20:01 Superbia wrote: Do you feel like scum are wagoning you right now? Both TT and Jean now think you are scum. Are they both mafia aligning? I think the wagon was started by town and there's probably one or two scum on there. I'm mildly leaning town on Jean. Still lynching him. | ||
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On June 26 2016 20:03 Superbia wrote: I also think the question "who would you vote for president" is kind of relevant, art. You're not going to be president with so much doubt on you. Eh, you seem to be certain on me being town. Damdred is too afaik and Chez has voted me. That's a start of 4. Tumble also seems to be coming around to me so we'll see. | ||
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On June 26 2016 20:06 Superbia wrote: Wasn't TT the first to call you scum? Or one of the first? I think Tumble was actually and QT joined him during the pressuring. | ||
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Why not? You called me super town  | ||
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On June 26 2016 20:08 Jean Valjean wrote: This begs two questions. 1) Who is on the wagon? 2) Who is the townie who started the wagon? And those two should really help us figure out the game from your perspective. Started by Tumble. Joined by QT, GB, [long gap] TT, Skynx, you is what I can gather. MD's also been mildly flailing some suspicion but I have no idea if he actually scumread me or not. Tumble's kinda come around on me, think he's leaning town on me atm. I think TT is likely scum, GB kinda null maybe edging towards scummy by PoE and lack of caring (he has issues being active as scum), and you're leaning town. The others I'm town on. | ||
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On June 26 2016 20:14 Skynx wrote: There is actually no chance he's mafia you know right? There is a chance. Mostly I just want him out of the game if he's going to be a dick. On June 26 2016 20:10 Superbia wrote: There are towns that doubt you, which makes me question my read to a degree. Also I would make a way better president. That feels like really weak reasoning. Surely what matters is their reasoning and not their read? What in their reasoning resonated or made you doubt? | ||
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People seem to have forgotten how much I hate playing mafia. | ||
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On June 26 2016 20:18 Jean Valjean wrote: Elaborate as much on GB as you can please. That would be supremely helpful. There's not really much to elaborate on. He hasn't really done much this game other than troll in the start, and make a few observations without any backing. He hopped on the Artanis is scum wagon after a few others did, called QT town after a few others did, kinda attacked emperor for shitty reasons (wanting to vote good likely town over bad confirmed town) though the followup on it is alright. There's nothing that screams he's mafia in his filter, in fact reading the emperor stuff in his filter now makes me slightly lean town on him. Seems to be evaluating the game later on. | ||
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On June 26 2016 20:20 Superbia wrote: Enough not to vote for you for president. Surely you would not be comfortable voting someone for president who's read scum by half the players. You're a subject to be studied. ;p I'd be 100% fine to vote myself as mayor here in your shoes because you know me better than most. Most people scumreading me barely/don't know me. | ||
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On June 26 2016 20:28 Jean Valjean wrote: Also I contest the statement I am a dick. I have been very polite in the way I've pushed you Artanis, I've used mature language and thoroughly explained my read all the way along. The only reason you think I am a dick is because you're on the wrong end of a ten ton lynching machine, that is always uncomfortable. I am justice, not spite. Nah, the reason I think you're a dick is because of the gloating and all the other things surrounding the push. Trying to make someone say that you're smart is pointless meandering that only serves to boost your ego. | ||
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On June 26 2016 20:41 Jean Valjean wrote: No it's not, because it's accurate. The statement is made to push an agenda. It's based on a fleshed out idea of how good you are at the game and how I assume you would respond to certain points and ideas. It's also designed to put you in an uncomfortable situation with very few outs, not because I am a dick, but because I am actively investigating your alignment. Yes, if I think you're mafia I will push you around. That is a quality in me you should embrace, not bemoan, but I guess I also harder to appreciate when you're the butt of the joke. The reason you can't make the same statement back at me is because you cannot back it up. You do not have any kind of a case against me, and thus it would make no sense. I forgive you Artanis, I think you're a good person, I just think you're mafia. It's not going to help you achieve anything. Clearly you haven't learned anything from it. I also feel like I could make a sincere argument about how if you're smart, you'd have realized I'm town by now. Fact is, despite knowing you're wrong I also know that it is possible, even for smart people to misread me. I may think that my alignment is the most obvious thing in the world (I do) but the fact that people aren't reading me that way makes it clear that it isn't the case. I can point to the fact that my filter is far longer than my scumgames tend to be, that I'm putting in effort to reading people's meta and investigating other people's games which I never do as mafia and that apparently since you've got experience you should know these things... but I don't consider that a convincing argument. If it was that easy to read people, Town's winrate would be soaring high. The fact that you think that, especially since you're a smurf that doesn't have any checkable meta for that reason, you should be hard townread for what you've done at that point is delusional. You're likely town at this point, but by no means a lock. | ||
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I've ended up claiming jailkeeper D1 because of a shitty clue. I've been almost lynched more than a few times. People scumread me for failing to meet their expectations all the time, because people have this idea that people with strong reputations are never wrong. No, we just don't get stuck on reads as much (Rayn excepting). Most strong town players re-evaluate a lot. See Marv, see Palmar, even Koshi does. | ||
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I'd advise looking into TT and the people who have been fairly absent. Maaybe Superbia. As for Jean, I've already told you exactly why I think TT is mafia. ##Vote Jean Valjean | ||
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Read further. I ended up semi-townreading you after reading your filter. | ||
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On June 27 2016 00:10 GlowingBear wrote: Art you've just said that I am not caring for the game and that I have a bad time to be active as scum. The first part is a lie, I'm very interested I the game and I already have a strong opinion on players, and the second part is true only after day 1s, but is also true for town. You're calling me scum for lies, man. You could've just read me? You have not cared for the game so far D1. Most of your posts were about being drunk or about having slept 18 hours. You didn't really become active in any way until you engaged Emperor, which I hadn't really read properly until I iso'd you. The second part is definitely more true for you than most, and I figure that you're more likely to fall of even on D1 as scum than as town. I threw out a few quick reads dude. I gave reads on like 5 people in 3 minutes based on when they hopped on my wagon. | ||
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