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On June 25 2016 19:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Hello! I no longer think QT is mafia. This is extremely upsetting. I kinda didn't want to let go of it because if I was right I'd feel like a dunce  I'm curious though, QT, why do you have a scum lean on me? You said yourself that the reason I was scumreading you made sense for most players, and now you're applying it to TW.
I am assuming (based off a single game played with TW) that he mostly falls under the "normal" player category. Don't get this confused with "weak" player, just that his style isn't super different or anything.
And I left a whole argument on him and all you have to say is "you're scum reading him for being a normal player," which is not my reason for Scum reading him, which, my Scum read on him is not very strong now.
I don't know how I feel about you even questioning me about my read on him in this way.. I can think of Scum doing that to paint TW to be more Scummy than he is... That should show you where I'm at in my read on him at least.
My reason for Scum reading you is based on your push on me which was largely unfounded and built upon assumptions of my play. I know I am a weird player, but when people start giving reasons I don't see myself doing, I have to admit the OMGUS comes out in me a little.
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On June 25 2016 19:38 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2016 19:31 QuickTwist wrote:On June 25 2016 19:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Hello! I no longer think QT is mafia. This is extremely upsetting. I kinda didn't want to let go of it because if I was right I'd feel like a dunce I'm curious though, QT, why do you have a scum lean on me? You said yourself that the reason I was scumreading you made sense for most players, and now you're applying it to TW. I am assuming (based off a single game played with TW) that he mostly falls under the "normal" player category. Don't get this confused with "weak" player, just that his style isn't super different or anything. And I left a whole argument on him and all you have to say is "you're scum reading him for being a normal player," which is not my reason for Scum reading him, which, my Scum read on him is not very strong now. I don't know how I feel about you even questioning me about my read on him in this way.. I can think of Scum doing that to paint TW to be more Scummy than he is... That should show you where I'm at in my read on him at least. My reason for Scum reading you is based on your push on me which was largely unfounded and built upon assumptions of my play. I know I am a weird player, but when people start giving reasons I don't see myself doing, I have to admit the OMGUS comes out in me a little. Look, here's the problem for me. A) You accuse me of an unfounded read based upon your character differing from most people. This, to me, seems the foundation of your scumread on me (or at least not asking about it) B) You proceed to use this argument on a player that you, as far as I'm aware, don't know enough about in his character to make the same judgement call. Essentially, you're doing something to TW that you scumread me for, so I'm asking what's up. My question is in relation to you, not TW.
My foundation for my read on you lies in you saying I had Scum mindset without you having a working narrative of my personality, is only part of it. The other part is fabrication as to what you thought I was trying to accomplish. I'm sure you can see how when someone gets accused of ill intent when there is none to be had there is a bit Sus.
No, I don't like you boiling down my read on TW to that.. its not the same thing. I am Scum reading TW because post 349 pinged me in a bad way. I then decided on a whim to investigate this and found there was something I could make a small case out of so I followed up with that.
I don't see how this is the same type of thing regarding your Scum read on me and my Scum read on TW. I just don't see it that way at all. You're going to have to pin point what you mean exactly - I'm not seeing it.
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On June 25 2016 20:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2016 19:55 QuickTwist wrote:On June 25 2016 19:38 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 25 2016 19:31 QuickTwist wrote:On June 25 2016 19:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Hello! I no longer think QT is mafia. This is extremely upsetting. I kinda didn't want to let go of it because if I was right I'd feel like a dunce I'm curious though, QT, why do you have a scum lean on me? You said yourself that the reason I was scumreading you made sense for most players, and now you're applying it to TW. I am assuming (based off a single game played with TW) that he mostly falls under the "normal" player category. Don't get this confused with "weak" player, just that his style isn't super different or anything. And I left a whole argument on him and all you have to say is "you're scum reading him for being a normal player," which is not my reason for Scum reading him, which, my Scum read on him is not very strong now. I don't know how I feel about you even questioning me about my read on him in this way.. I can think of Scum doing that to paint TW to be more Scummy than he is... That should show you where I'm at in my read on him at least. My reason for Scum reading you is based on your push on me which was largely unfounded and built upon assumptions of my play. I know I am a weird player, but when people start giving reasons I don't see myself doing, I have to admit the OMGUS comes out in me a little. Look, here's the problem for me. A) You accuse me of an unfounded read based upon your character differing from most people. This, to me, seems the foundation of your scumread on me (or at least not asking about it) B) You proceed to use this argument on a player that you, as far as I'm aware, don't know enough about in his character to make the same judgement call. Essentially, you're doing something to TW that you scumread me for, so I'm asking what's up. My question is in relation to you, not TW. My foundation for my read on you lies in you saying I had Scum mindset without you having a working narrative of my personality, is only part of it. The other part is fabrication as to what you thought I was trying to accomplish. I'm sure you can see how when someone gets accused of ill intent when there is none to be had there is a bit Sus. No, I don't like you boiling down my read on TW to that.. its not the same thing. I am Scum reading TW because post 349 pinged me in a bad way. I then decided on a whim to investigate this and found there was something I could make a small case out of so I followed up with that. I don't see how this is the same type of thing regarding your Scum read on me and my Scum read on TW. I just don't see it that way at all. You're going to have to pin point what you mean exactly - I'm not seeing it. I may simply be reading into your post wrongly. I meant this part of your case on TW: Show nested quote +On June 25 2016 16:02 QuickTwist wrote:On June 25 2016 06:20 Tumblewood wrote:
wow that was exhausting I deserve a break Follows that up with a joke, which by Arts logic would mean that is Sus. To me, it sounds like you're literally saying that my logic, which you didn't agree made you scum (obviously), makes TW suspicious. I found that very strange.
I made some observations on TW's play as well as parts that would be considered a case against him. Why do you have a problem with the way I phrased that particular observation? Just because I am doing an ISO case doesn't mean I have to paint everything they do as Scum or Town. I was making an association to be used for later. Honestly, I was more trying to point out the inconsistency in YOUR play more so than what TW was doing there.
I could have just said "hey, Art, why didn't you bring this up about TW?" but I decided to state it in a more subtle way. The fact that you are bring this up to make me look bad (in a way that lightly discredits me as having a valid outlook) doesn't paint you in a good light I'm afraid.
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On June 25 2016 20:12 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I'm just going to let someone else deal with you because apparently asking clarifying questions is now scummy and it's very tiring. I actually think you're town but I was trying to UNDERSTAND what was going on there.
IDK, this could be a buddying comment or it could be legit or both. Not sure yet.
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On June 25 2016 21:52 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2016 08:47 QuickTwist wrote:
So... are we past the BS stage or not? Why do you seem so uncomfortable this game? I get you are trying to play different but you had no issue jumping in and being trolly before. I don't get it.
I am not uncomfortable though I can understand why you think so. If you are refering to me getting irritated because of Art, that is. That was legit, I was uncomfortable, but more so just irritated that I was taking heat for something stupid.
I am not "trying" to do anything. This is a natural playstyle for me. I said this before in the dead thread - I was trying something new that game. Its (that style) not something I am proficient in yet.
But I think I might know what your role is based on you asking me this.
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On June 25 2016 22:18 QuickTwist wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2016 21:52 Tictock wrote:On June 25 2016 08:47 QuickTwist wrote:
So... are we past the BS stage or not? Why do you seem so uncomfortable this game? I get you are trying to play different but you had no issue jumping in and being trolly before. I don't get it. I am not uncomfortable though I can understand why you think so. If you are refering to me getting irritated because of Art, that is. That was legit, I was uncomfortable, but more so just irritated that I was taking heat for something stupid. I am not "trying" to do anything. This is a natural playstyle for me. I said this before in the dead thread - I was trying something new that game. Its (that style) not something I am proficient in yet. But I think I might know what your role is based on you asking me this.
That last part is rhetorical, I'm not trying to role hunt.
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On June 25 2016 22:40 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2016 21:52 Tictock wrote:On June 25 2016 08:47 QuickTwist wrote:
So... are we past the BS stage or not? Why do you seem so uncomfortable this game? I get you are trying to play different but you had no issue jumping in and being trolly before. I don't get it. I kinda hate this post btw, feels like art already covered this a bit with his initial scum read and feels like a parrot with trying to seem new. Maybe TT can stay in my lynch list meh nothing to smart sounding yet.
TT, you got a response to this?
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On June 26 2016 00:08 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2016 12:48 Damdred wrote:
Just a couple, your initial response to my opening post was good and showed you were reading carefully.
The post about art/qt about distancing while I disagreed showed a nice jumping around logic and looking at things from different hard to see angles.
I'm fact I don't think mafia GB makes that post especially going after art who is almost impossible to Lynch as town.
So yeah just some fun thinking from you. I think your town actually. This is your most developed read that you gave out, everything else was super hand wavy. Show nested quote +On June 25 2016 06:58 Damdred wrote:
Because I think if I try to rub for mayor I'd get to wrapped up in that instead of hunting scum early. If people want to vote me I'd make decent decisions though.
Super knee jerk town.
GB knee jerk scum! They can't bear the responsibility Show nested quote +On June 25 2016 07:22 Damdred wrote:
Hrmph halfway being ignored sadness,
Sk might be scum, qt probably town. Show nested quote +On June 25 2016 08:00 Damdred wrote:
Mannn I feel like I need to lay down.
I'm town reading tumble now, what the hell is wrong with me. Watch him pop scum or some shit make me look like a trad.
Any way qt can you give me your impression of emperors catching up posts? And plz, "...beat most of the game to the same reads" doesn't mean jack especially kus you are prob scum.
Fake quote is fake. I don't see a good Town reason to do this.
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On June 26 2016 00:43 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2016 00:36 QuickTwist wrote:On June 26 2016 00:08 Tictock wrote:On June 25 2016 12:48 Damdred wrote:
Just a couple, your initial response to my opening post was good and showed you were reading carefully.
The post about art/qt about distancing while I disagreed showed a nice jumping around logic and looking at things from different hard to see angles.
I'm fact I don't think mafia GB makes that post especially going after art who is almost impossible to Lynch as town.
So yeah just some fun thinking from you. I think your town actually. This is your most developed read that you gave out, everything else was super hand wavy. On June 25 2016 06:58 Damdred wrote:
Because I think if I try to rub for mayor I'd get to wrapped up in that instead of hunting scum early. If people want to vote me I'd make decent decisions though.
Super knee jerk town.
GB knee jerk scum! They can't bear the responsibility On June 25 2016 07:22 Damdred wrote:
Hrmph halfway being ignored sadness,
Sk might be scum, qt probably town. On June 25 2016 08:00 Damdred wrote:
Mannn I feel like I need to lay down.
I'm town reading tumble now, what the hell is wrong with me. Watch him pop scum or some shit make me look like a trad.
Any way qt can you give me your impression of emperors catching up posts? And plz, "...beat most of the game to the same reads" doesn't mean jack especially kus you are prob scum. Fake quote is fake. I don't see a good Town reason to do this. You mean this? Show nested quote +On June 25 2016 23:50 Damdred wrote:
How am i pushing shitty scum reads again?
Why are my townreads super lazy again when i've beat most of the game to the same reads exactly?
Nope, I don't mean that, try again.
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On June 26 2016 02:34 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2016 00:56 QuickTwist wrote:On June 26 2016 00:43 Tictock wrote:On June 26 2016 00:36 QuickTwist wrote:On June 26 2016 00:08 Tictock wrote:On June 25 2016 12:48 Damdred wrote:
Just a couple, your initial response to my opening post was good and showed you were reading carefully.
The post about art/qt about distancing while I disagreed showed a nice jumping around logic and looking at things from different hard to see angles.
I'm fact I don't think mafia GB makes that post especially going after art who is almost impossible to Lynch as town.
So yeah just some fun thinking from you. I think your town actually. This is your most developed read that you gave out, everything else was super hand wavy. On June 25 2016 06:58 Damdred wrote:
Because I think if I try to rub for mayor I'd get to wrapped up in that instead of hunting scum early. If people want to vote me I'd make decent decisions though.
Super knee jerk town.
GB knee jerk scum! They can't bear the responsibility On June 25 2016 07:22 Damdred wrote:
Hrmph halfway being ignored sadness,
Sk might be scum, qt probably town. On June 25 2016 08:00 Damdred wrote:
Mannn I feel like I need to lay down.
I'm town reading tumble now, what the hell is wrong with me. Watch him pop scum or some shit make me look like a trad.
Any way qt can you give me your impression of emperors catching up posts? And plz, "...beat most of the game to the same reads" doesn't mean jack especially kus you are prob scum. Fake quote is fake. I don't see a good Town reason to do this. You mean this? On June 25 2016 23:50 Damdred wrote:
How am i pushing shitty scum reads again?
Why are my townreads super lazy again when i've beat most of the game to the same reads exactly? Nope, I don't mean that, try again. Which one you mean QT you gotta be more clear. All three quotes look fine to me from Damdreds filter.
the underlined part. did you catch whos up to misquoting mischief? I'll give you a hint. Its TT.
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On June 26 2016 02:47 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2016 02:45 QuickTwist wrote:On June 26 2016 02:34 Skynx wrote:On June 26 2016 00:56 QuickTwist wrote:On June 26 2016 00:43 Tictock wrote:On June 26 2016 00:36 QuickTwist wrote:On June 26 2016 00:08 Tictock wrote:On June 25 2016 12:48 Damdred wrote:
Just a couple, your initial response to my opening post was good and showed you were reading carefully.
The post about art/qt about distancing while I disagreed showed a nice jumping around logic and looking at things from different hard to see angles.
I'm fact I don't think mafia GB makes that post especially going after art who is almost impossible to Lynch as town.
So yeah just some fun thinking from you. I think your town actually. This is your most developed read that you gave out, everything else was super hand wavy. On June 25 2016 06:58 Damdred wrote:
Because I think if I try to rub for mayor I'd get to wrapped up in that instead of hunting scum early. If people want to vote me I'd make decent decisions though.
Super knee jerk town.
GB knee jerk scum! They can't bear the responsibility On June 25 2016 07:22 Damdred wrote:
Hrmph halfway being ignored sadness,
Sk might be scum, qt probably town. On June 25 2016 08:00 Damdred wrote:
Mannn I feel like I need to lay down.
I'm town reading tumble now, what the hell is wrong with me. Watch him pop scum or some shit make me look like a trad.
Any way qt can you give me your impression of emperors catching up posts? And plz, "...beat most of the game to the same reads" doesn't mean jack especially kus you are prob scum. Fake quote is fake. I don't see a good Town reason to do this. You mean this? On June 25 2016 23:50 Damdred wrote:
How am i pushing shitty scum reads again?
Why are my townreads super lazy again when i've beat most of the game to the same reads exactly? Nope, I don't mean that, try again. Which one you mean QT you gotta be more clear. All three quotes look fine to me from Damdreds filter. the underlined part. did you catch whos up to misquoting mischief? I'll give you a hint. Its TT. Show nested quote +On June 25 2016 08:00 Damdred wrote:
Mannn I feel like I need to lay down.
I'm town reading tumble now, what the hell is wrong with me. Watch him pop scum or some shit make me look like a trad.
Any way qt can you give me your impression of emperors catching up posts? ?????
Do me a favor and link the post in question.
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On June 26 2016 02:42 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2016 23:29 Tictock wrote:
Yea I think I'm just gunna ignore discussing my townreads today.
I still want to lynch between Art and Damdred on the grounds that they are throwing out super lazy townreads and pushing fairly shitty scumreads. I like you. One of us should be pres.
Says no presidential candidate ever.
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On June 26 2016 03:08 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2016 03:00 QuickTwist wrote:On June 26 2016 02:47 Skynx wrote:On June 26 2016 02:45 QuickTwist wrote:On June 26 2016 02:34 Skynx wrote:On June 26 2016 00:56 QuickTwist wrote:On June 26 2016 00:43 Tictock wrote:On June 26 2016 00:36 QuickTwist wrote:On June 26 2016 00:08 Tictock wrote:On June 25 2016 12:48 Damdred wrote:
Just a couple, your initial response to my opening post was good and showed you were reading carefully.
The post about art/qt about distancing while I disagreed showed a nice jumping around logic and looking at things from different hard to see angles.
I'm fact I don't think mafia GB makes that post especially going after art who is almost impossible to Lynch as town.
So yeah just some fun thinking from you. I think your town actually. This is your most developed read that you gave out, everything else was super hand wavy. On June 25 2016 06:58 Damdred wrote:
Because I think if I try to rub for mayor I'd get to wrapped up in that instead of hunting scum early. If people want to vote me I'd make decent decisions though.
Super knee jerk town.
GB knee jerk scum! They can't bear the responsibility On June 25 2016 07:22 Damdred wrote:
Hrmph halfway being ignored sadness,
Sk might be scum, qt probably town. On June 25 2016 08:00 Damdred wrote:
Mannn I feel like I need to lay down.
I'm town reading tumble now, what the hell is wrong with me. Watch him pop scum or some shit make me look like a trad.
Any way qt can you give me your impression of emperors catching up posts? And plz, "...beat most of the game to the same reads" doesn't mean jack especially kus you are prob scum. Fake quote is fake. I don't see a good Town reason to do this. You mean this? On June 25 2016 23:50 Damdred wrote:
How am i pushing shitty scum reads again?
Why are my townreads super lazy again when i've beat most of the game to the same reads exactly? Nope, I don't mean that, try again. Which one you mean QT you gotta be more clear. All three quotes look fine to me from Damdreds filter. the underlined part. did you catch whos up to misquoting mischief? I'll give you a hint. Its TT. On June 25 2016 08:00 Damdred wrote:
Mannn I feel like I need to lay down.
I'm town reading tumble now, what the hell is wrong with me. Watch him pop scum or some shit make me look like a trad.
Any way qt can you give me your impression of emperors catching up posts? ????? Do me a favor and link the post in question. Are you fo real? You said underlined part: Show nested quote +On June 25 2016 08:00 Damdred wrote:
Mannn I feel like I need to lay down.
I'm town reading tumble now, what the hell is wrong with me. Watch him pop scum or some shit make me look like a trad.
Any way qt can you give me your impression of emperors catching up posts? Show nested quote +On June 25 2016 08:00 Damdred wrote:
Mannn I feel like I need to lay down.
I'm town reading tumble now, what the hell is wrong with me. Watch him pop scum or some shit make me look like a trad.
Any way qt can you give me your impression of emperors catching up posts? If you don't precisely explain what you mean in the reply I'm just gona assume you're making shit up.
Its my mistake (well, TL's really). The post says it was made 19 hours ago on June 25th. Unfortunately I thought that was impossible since the timestamp says 8:00. So I went back to 8:00 AM and could not for the life of me find the quote. That would have been 5 hours ago my time at 8:00 AM. In short, the timestamps don't work like they should at this site. Will go back a check to make sure I am on the right forum time.
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Who I will not be voting for:
Moosy
Damdred
TT
Art
Chez (possibly)
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On June 26 2016 04:07 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2016 03:21 QuickTwist wrote:On June 26 2016 03:08 Skynx wrote:On June 26 2016 03:00 QuickTwist wrote:On June 26 2016 02:47 Skynx wrote:On June 26 2016 02:45 QuickTwist wrote:On June 26 2016 02:34 Skynx wrote:On June 26 2016 00:56 QuickTwist wrote:On June 26 2016 00:43 Tictock wrote:On June 26 2016 00:36 QuickTwist wrote:
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Fake quote is fake. I don't see a good Town reason to do this. You mean this? On June 25 2016 23:50 Damdred wrote:
How am i pushing shitty scum reads again?
Why are my townreads super lazy again when i've beat most of the game to the same reads exactly? Nope, I don't mean that, try again. Which one you mean QT you gotta be more clear. All three quotes look fine to me from Damdreds filter. the underlined part. did you catch whos up to misquoting mischief? I'll give you a hint. Its TT. On June 25 2016 08:00 Damdred wrote:
Mannn I feel like I need to lay down.
I'm town reading tumble now, what the hell is wrong with me. Watch him pop scum or some shit make me look like a trad.
Any way qt can you give me your impression of emperors catching up posts? ????? Do me a favor and link the post in question. Are you fo real? You said underlined part: On June 25 2016 08:00 Damdred wrote:
Mannn I feel like I need to lay down.
I'm town reading tumble now, what the hell is wrong with me. Watch him pop scum or some shit make me look like a trad.
Any way qt can you give me your impression of emperors catching up posts? On June 25 2016 08:00 Damdred wrote:
Mannn I feel like I need to lay down.
I'm town reading tumble now, what the hell is wrong with me. Watch him pop scum or some shit make me look like a trad.
Any way qt can you give me your impression of emperors catching up posts? If you don't precisely explain what you mean in the reply I'm just gona assume you're making shit up. Its my mistake (well, TL's really). The post says it was made 19 hours ago on June 25th. Unfortunately I thought that was impossible since the timestamp says 8:00. So I went back to 8:00 AM and could not for the life of me find the quote. That would have been 5 hours ago my time at 8:00 AM. In short, the timestamps don't work like they should at this site. Will go back a check to make sure I am on the right forum time. TL takes korean time as basis but still that's quite agressive for something that would barely change anything. You're reading too much into things. Anyway, Show nested quote +On June 25 2016 10:01 QuickTwist wrote:On June 25 2016 09:50 QuickTwist wrote:
so lets get this cleared out of the way.
Who here thinks Art is Scum reading me based on an assumption of how I play? I want to push this because it sets a valid president on how to read both myself and Art going forward. I hope people can see the reason in this, but I know its likely to get overlooked. I've put my opinion on this, do you have something to say on the matter? cuz I see you totally changed your mind on art's alignment now: + Show Spoiler +On June 25 2016 10:14 QuickTwist wrote:
Reads:
Tumbleweed - town lean
Glowingbeer - null
Jealous - hasn't posted
emperarechampion - Null
Damdruid - Null
DoosyMoosy - Null
Cheziness - Null
Artanis[XD] - Scum lean
Jin Valjean - Hasn't posted
Tictack - Hasn't posted
Skynks - Town lean
Supbarbia - Null On June 26 2016 03:32 QuickTwist wrote:
Who I will not be voting for:
Moosy
Damdred
TT
Art
Chez (possibly) He was your only scumread but now one of your most tr's? What made you change your opinion on me and Tumbel? Well, actually you'd just better off just explain that list as a whole 
Nope, those are my reads for people I will not be voting to execute the lynch. I still have Art as a Scum lean and don't want him to be the lyncher because of that.
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K, I'm here at the bottom of page 31.
Prolly won't directly quote anything but will keep in mind what I come across.
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On June 26 2016 12:44 Tumblewood wrote:
gb, if you had straight null on someone, that's 10/13 = about 77% town. choosing between 77% town who is good and 100% town who is not, 77% of the time the first guy is the better play.
consider someone who you read town. move it up to 85% or 90% town. nearly every time, putting them in mayor is the correct play. I have a 90% read on super so yeah easy choice.
OK, this is a pet peeve of mine. Don't use numbers unless you know what you are doing with them. Throwing out percentages like this is just bad form IMO.
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On June 26 2016 17:19 Superbia wrote:
QT can you elaborate on that post when you read this? Why were you so angry?
OK, there are a couple reasons for it.
1) I have been lynched a lot day one in my day and I am sick and tired of getting Scum read every game regardless of if I'm Town or Scum.
2) There is also another reason outside of this game for why I was kinda peeved at the time which contributed to me looking more upset than I prolly should have been.
3) I AM in fact playing different this game than last and if people can't see that IDK WTF is wrong with you. I didn't even like people Town reading me for it in fact.
4) Arts push was beyond unfounded based on me as a player and I took issue with that. Its virtually the same kind of reasoning every time I get Scum read which is almost always because of an oddity in playstyle.
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On June 26 2016 18:18 Superbia wrote:
A quick few notes about how I feel about damdred btw:
I think damdred could be scum, but not for the reasons that have been brought up (iirc). I think his reads have been sort of relaxed and I can see them coming from a town perspective. I do want to see some reasons behind them. Especially the two I asked at the start of the game.
Damdred's most scummy play this game has been his chicanery regarding presidency. He started the game off with the whole "I don't want to be president but I want to support a town president" or something along those lines. I think this is actually sort of scummy. I think as town you want to be the president, especially if you believe in your own ability. Moreover, it felt like he did want the presidency from the very start. His last page of his filter also has him pushing more and more towards getting the presidency.
Damdred, can you explain? Did you really not want presidency? If so, what has changed?
Moreover, can you elaborate on your early reads a little? Why did you conclude artanis vs qt was TvT that quickly?
This post sucks and I'm Scum reading you for it.
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On June 26 2016 18:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2016 18:48 Jean Valjean wrote:On June 26 2016 18:27 Superbia wrote:
Also why do you think artanis is mafia? Because I have trouble believing that Artanis' approach to just about anything this game is even half genuine. In the initial stages he was joking around, but uncharacteristically he wasn't really funny at all. He is a funny guy so it is actually suspicious when he tries to be funny but is only marginally funny. This might mean that he was making jokes not because he felt like making jokes, but rather because he thought it would be a good idea to make jokes for other reasons. Weak, but I can see it. Show nested quote +Secondly I liked Skynx's case on Artanis, and I did not like Artanis' response to it. Skynx doesn't prove Artanis is mafia with that case, but he does bring up some justifiable points about Artanis' approach to the game. Most notably the stiffness in his transition from joking to what was a fairly weak attack on QT. I was the first person to actually get the game rolling. I also felt like I saw something and switched gears because of it. I tend to do that in all my games as either alignment. Show nested quote +Artanis responded by dismissing the case and throwing a townread Skynx's way, I do not disagree with the sentiment that Skynx looks a lot better for casing Artanis, but the dismissal of the case was done in a way I don't believe a veteran player would dismiss a case. Artanis should have explained why the things he did don't make him mafia, instead of just semi-ridiculing the case. Ridiculing accusations is a sign of weakness. The problem with his case is that it was simply an interpretation of events that could be viewed in multiple ways. I showed him another way and he said I was twisting the case, which I really wasn't since it came down to narrative. Show nested quote +Thirdly, he called me out for doing little. As I have already explained, I had no real problem with him throwing a scumread my way, but he did it for the wrong reason. Then afterwards he claimed he had done it to "rile me up" while then also claiming his initial reason was valid. I don't believe Artanis genuinely thinks that he was riling me up. When he made an off-hand comment on me and threw me on a list he was barely targeting me at all and had no idea I would actually respond to him, given my lack of contributions at that point in the game. I think it's much more likely he saw an easy opportunity to sort of call someone out that would possibly not bother to really respond to him, giving him an easy and uncontroversial scumlean. This is all interpretation. I'm playing freely, doing as I please and I usually have fun when I'm playing town. You called out someone which I felt was unjustly so I played the ball back at you. That was the main reason I did it; the very light scumread was because of the reason I stated: commenting on things without having read all of it, and I had already indicated it was very weak. Show nested quote +Lastly, Artanis has thrown around townreads with way too much confidence this game. Chezinu, Damdred, Skynx, QT all got pretty hard townreads from him for relatively flimsy reasons. I just have a hard time believing he is actually working through the scenarios to reach a conclusion, feels like he is just throwing something out there and running with it. I explained the Chez read pregame. I've hard townread Damdred since the beginning because he feels like he's playing freely. He gave me a townread and when asked he instantly said it was basically so we wouldn't fight or something to that accord. I just don't think he instantly says something like that as mafia. It indicates he isn't bothered by how people see him. Skynx and QT are newbies and the paranoia and genuineness I see in them I think would be extremely hard to fake for newbies. I'm very confident in both those reads for good reasons.
These arguments Art is bringing up just reeks of Scum.
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