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Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
May 24 2016 18:50 GMT
#241
On May 25 2016 03:46 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2016 03:45 Superbia wrote:
On May 25 2016 03:35 Damdred wrote:
Well super just humor me for a second

If you were really trying to get a better feel/read on lightning why would you give him a feel on what you want to hear anyway? And why does ls giving what you think is shitty bad read(s) move him from slightly scum to shitty town? I mean ls still hasn't given any scum reads yet and he's always been able to give shitty town reads as either alignment so why the movement?


LS' answer did not progress my read on him that much. In a vacuum he may look scummy because his reasoning is kinda shit (imo), but LS thought process has always been kinda alien to me. I do not feel like LS' opinion/reasoning on kush makes him mafia.

That being said, I believe I may have a mafia-meta-tell on LS and he has displayed it this game. I'm not solid on it being an actual mafia tell yet though. I'm looking for something more.


OK? So if you think he's scum why do you have him as shitty town pile?


I need something that actually convinces myself.

Let me try to explain it differently.

1. Before this game I believe I have a meta-mafia-tell on LS.
2. LS displays this tell.
3. I am actually not convinced LS is mafia yet (gut), so I'm looking for something more.
Minimal effort.
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14276 Posts
May 24 2016 18:50 GMT
#242
The only scumread if any from me would be palmar. Like JAT said his entrance was rather lackluster and he refused to answer my question on why is he scumreading me. Plus it's not the weekend so I finding it confusing that he haven't done much at all. For now we should vote Palmar and if he's town he will actually start to do shit.
vote: Palmar
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14276 Posts
May 24 2016 18:51 GMT
#243
On May 25 2016 03:50 LightningStrike wrote:
The only scumread if any from me would be palmar. Like JAT said his entrance was rather lackluster and he refused to answer my question on why is he scumreading me. Plus it's not the weekend so I finding it confusing that he haven't done much at all. For now we should vote Palmar and if he's town he will actually start to do shit.
##vote: Palmar

May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
May 24 2016 18:51 GMT
#244
On May 25 2016 03:47 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2016 03:46 Superbia wrote:
On May 25 2016 03:36 justanothertownie wrote:
On May 25 2016 03:16 Superbia wrote:
That's some 101 buddying.

So?


Why?

I see smart post I agree.

This problem how?


If you're town, and you find yourself agreeing to someone else's posts. Does not not make that person likely to have a town mindset as well, and thereby likely town?

Why are you not reading him town?

It feels like you're backing out because I'm calling you out.
Minimal effort.
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14276 Posts
May 24 2016 18:53 GMT
#245
On May 25 2016 03:49 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
Plynch Candidiates:
2. ritoky
3. Rels
6. Palmar
7. marvellosity
8. sicklucker

Possible Tryhard Scums:
1. Holyflare
4. LightningStrike
5. Koshi

Rolf me as a tryhard scum? The only scumgame I really tryhard was Cell because Damdred was on my team but outside of that I didn't really tryhard as hard as scum ever. I sorry for framing you in my first scum game with ;D
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14276 Posts
May 24 2016 18:55 GMT
#246
Damdred, JAT, and Superbia you guys should vote Palmar with me and Koshi. I pretty sure that he's scum at this point.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16317 Posts
May 24 2016 18:57 GMT
#247
On May 25 2016 03:51 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2016 03:47 justanothertownie wrote:
On May 25 2016 03:46 Superbia wrote:
On May 25 2016 03:36 justanothertownie wrote:
On May 25 2016 03:16 Superbia wrote:
That's some 101 buddying.

So?


Why?

I see smart post I agree.

This problem how?


If you're town, and you find yourself agreeing to someone else's posts. Does not not make that person likely to have a town mindset as well, and thereby likely town?

Why are you not reading him town?

It feels like you're backing out because I'm calling you out.

I guess it is my turn now to say that I have a hard time believing you are this short sighted as town, right?
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
May 24 2016 18:57 GMT
#248
On May 25 2016 03:55 LightningStrike wrote:
Damdred, JAT, and Superbia you guys should vote Palmar with me and Koshi. I pretty sure that he's scum at this point.


Go ahead, interested to see what comes out of it.

Personally would get some more reads out of others, starting with Ritoky.
Minimal effort.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16317 Posts
May 24 2016 18:58 GMT
#249
On May 25 2016 03:55 LightningStrike wrote:
Damdred, JAT, and Superbia you guys should vote Palmar with me and Koshi. I pretty sure that he's scum at this point.

Don't worry bro. If he keeps not doing anything I will gladly join your wagon.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
May 24 2016 18:58 GMT
#250
On May 25 2016 03:57 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2016 03:51 Superbia wrote:
On May 25 2016 03:47 justanothertownie wrote:
On May 25 2016 03:46 Superbia wrote:
On May 25 2016 03:36 justanothertownie wrote:
On May 25 2016 03:16 Superbia wrote:
That's some 101 buddying.

So?


Why?

I see smart post I agree.

This problem how?


If you're town, and you find yourself agreeing to someone else's posts. Does not not make that person likely to have a town mindset as well, and thereby likely town?

Why are you not reading him town?

It feels like you're backing out because I'm calling you out.

I guess it is my turn now to say that I have a hard time believing you are this short sighted as town, right?


Am I wrong? Having a similar mindset is one of the strongest town tells if applied well.
Minimal effort.
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
May 24 2016 19:00 GMT
#251
On May 24 2016 21:57 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
##RMC: tumblewood


Rito Mafia Check of Tumblewood

Holyflare's Case: + Show Spoiler +
On May 24 2016 20:50 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2016 20:27 Tumblewood wrote:
On May 24 2016 18:18 Holyflare wrote:
On May 24 2016 08:07 Tumblewood wrote:
Mmm I'm not on with this LS TMI stuff, seems like Damdred/HF are just going for reactions. Should get the game rolling though.


On May 24 2016 08:18 Tumblewood wrote:
On May 24 2016 08:14 Holyflare wrote:
One can only assume from inference.

I get that you said LS confirmed Koshi town, but I didn't feel there was much conviction in it, like you could see yourself voting him later in the game.


On May 24 2016 14:02 Tumblewood wrote:
On May 24 2016 13:31 sicklucker wrote:
didnt really read any of ls's posts but holyflare targeting the weak link is classic mafia stuff. Like we get it its easy to mislynch ls. im probably wrong but im gonna be an ass about it anyway

mmmmm I'm gonna contest you on this one, mafia targets the weak link usually at some point but not early early D1. People in mafia have ADHD and can't wagon someone for more than half a day at a time.
HF might be scum but if he is it's for calling a scum slip with 100% certainty when it was kinda iffy.


So, which do you think it is? Am I going for reactions or are you suspicious because I called out a scum slip with certainty?

I feel like many of your posts say things that don't reach any conclusions and me no likey.

First was true, second was a test, like "is he serious" and you didn't indicate it was for a reaction so we end up with the third.
Congrats, you manage to cast shade where there is none and not say whether you meant it, all at once (though I assume at this point it was serious, which makes it pretty bad)


I mean it when I say you aren't reaching conclusions. You just returned to the thread and basically ignored everything on the past few pages (since you haven't reevaluated anything since I "revealed" (it was quite obvious) the LS posts were to get something started).

I can only assume that you are pointing out things to appear to contribute but are not able to follow through with the correct evaluation of what it means.

The perfect example of this is that since you didn't read my tidbit about the LS case being fake pressure - obviously - you assume that I was still serious about LS and call it bad. However, if you were thinking this through logically your own evaluation would be that I was mafia, which you have stated I should be. You also stated that I would be mafia because I called up the case with 100% certainty.

Show nested quote +
On May 24 2016 14:02 Tumblewood wrote:
On May 24 2016 13:31 sicklucker wrote:
didnt really read any of ls's posts but holyflare targeting the weak link is classic mafia stuff. Like we get it its easy to mislynch ls. im probably wrong but im gonna be an ass about it anyway

mmmmm I'm gonna contest you on this one, mafia targets the weak link usually at some point but not early early D1. People in mafia have ADHD and can't wagon someone for more than half a day at a time.
HF might be scum but if he is it's for calling a scum slip with 100% certainty when it was kinda iffy.


Show nested quote +
On May 24 2016 20:27 Tumblewood wrote:
On May 24 2016 18:18 Holyflare wrote:
On May 24 2016 08:07 Tumblewood wrote:
Mmm I'm not on with this LS TMI stuff, seems like Damdred/HF are just going for reactions. Should get the game rolling though.


On May 24 2016 08:18 Tumblewood wrote:
On May 24 2016 08:14 Holyflare wrote:
One can only assume from inference.

I get that you said LS confirmed Koshi town, but I didn't feel there was much conviction in it, like you could see yourself voting him later in the game.


On May 24 2016 14:02 Tumblewood wrote:
On May 24 2016 13:31 sicklucker wrote:
didnt really read any of ls's posts but holyflare targeting the weak link is classic mafia stuff. Like we get it its easy to mislynch ls. im probably wrong but im gonna be an ass about it anyway

mmmmm I'm gonna contest you on this one, mafia targets the weak link usually at some point but not early early D1. People in mafia have ADHD and can't wagon someone for more than half a day at a time.
HF might be scum but if he is it's for calling a scum slip with 100% certainty when it was kinda iffy.


So, which do you think it is? Am I going for reactions or are you suspicious because I called out a scum slip with certainty?

I feel like many of your posts say things that don't reach any conclusions and me no likey.

First was true, second was a test, like "is he serious" and you didn't indicate it was for a reaction so we end up with the third.
Congrats, you manage to cast shade where there is none and not say whether you meant it, all at once (though I assume at this point it was serious, which makes it pretty bad)



Now, you think Koshi is town as you stated. You also think I was serious with the LS case but instead of what logically should confirm your suspicions on me you just meander about with other non committal things.

To surmise, I think you are a slightly lost mafia making observations but not able to attribute these observations to a towny mindset and follow through.

##unvote
##vote Tumblewood


The most prominent point of HF's case is entirely accurate and indicative of a player not having a town mindset. It is very clear prior to tumble leaving the thread that he finds a great deal of interesting things happening around the Koshi/HF/Damdred/LS/Kush discussion and sequence of events; particularly in regards to Holyflare. Upon returning to the thread, there is a page long or more discussion specifically between Koshi and HF about the sequence of events that tumble found was at least interesting and potentially alignment indicative; yet he specifically chooses to ignore it entirely. He gives no commentary on it, makes no conclusions, gains no stated reads from it, and treats it like it didn't happen.

Him not caring about his reads or being quick to drop them could just be a player style thing however, it is inconsistent with other reads he has given:
On May 25 2016 02:40 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2016 02:35 Koshi wrote:
On May 25 2016 02:34 Tumblewood wrote:
On May 25 2016 02:16 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 25 2016 02:00 Damdred wrote:
Idk what I was expecting in the game but kinda meh about it.

Could Lynch Palmar, super, tumble today.

Fight me

I will fight on Tumblewood I believe he is town atm. Why am I wrong on Tumblewood?

This is definitely townie. LS is fighting to prevent a mislynch, which is pro-town and has no benefit if he's scum.

This post is just saying "I am town"

No it's not, I'm not voting LS in a million years. There is no benefit if he is scum, besides my worthless TR and getting yelled at for TMI


On May 25 2016 02:53 Tumblewood wrote:
Super gets some solid points for actually caring about the game/his reads
Anyone that thinks that emotion was faked can shut up


Where was this level of interest or conviction in your reads before? You clearly have "passion" about your reads, so why have you not revisited your read that has the most depth of discussion? Rito bot believes it is because it serves you no purpose, you gain nothing from it; whereas your LS read in particular seems like a blatant attempt to pocket a player.

Independent Analysis: Extremism

On May 24 2016 14:20 Tumblewood wrote:
Have to catch a flight at 5:30 tomorrow morning >< going to be afk all day except maybe during the layover or at night
I keep getting all excited because this is the game I'm gonna try real hard in and then getting sidelined by RL


Way too much explanation for an excuse for inactivity. Mafia tend to over-justify their inactivity.

On May 25 2016 02:34 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2016 02:16 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 25 2016 02:00 Damdred wrote:
Idk what I was expecting in the game but kinda meh about it.

Could Lynch Palmar, super, tumble today.

Fight me

I will fight on Tumblewood I believe he is town atm. Why am I wrong on Tumblewood?

This is definitely townie. LS is fighting to prevent a mislynch, which is pro-town and has no benefit if he's scum.


On May 25 2016 02:40 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2016 02:35 Koshi wrote:
On May 25 2016 02:34 Tumblewood wrote:
On May 25 2016 02:16 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 25 2016 02:00 Damdred wrote:
Idk what I was expecting in the game but kinda meh about it.

Could Lynch Palmar, super, tumble today.

Fight me

I will fight on Tumblewood I believe he is town atm. Why am I wrong on Tumblewood?

This is definitely townie. LS is fighting to prevent a mislynch, which is pro-town and has no benefit if he's scum.

This post is just saying "I am town"

No it's not, I'm not voting LS in a million years. There is no benefit if he is scum, besides my worthless TR and getting yelled at for TMI


Pocket attempt by 1 of these two players. 1 of them is almost certainly mafia (currently leaning tumble); LS gives tumble an undeserved town read at a moment when he is low on the totem pole and Tumble overreacts in defense of LS simply because LS calls him town. It is far too dramatic of a read over someone simply calling you town and nothing else. "It does not serve him if he is mafia".....if he is mafia he just pocketed you, serves him pretty well. Your stalwart defense of LS makes no real justifiable sense....at least not with the basis you have given.

On May 25 2016 02:53 Tumblewood wrote:
Super gets some solid points for actually caring about the game/his reads
Anyone that thinks that emotion was faked can shut up


This post just simply read as extreme reactions to a minor thing. There exists this inherent disconnect between mafia and town in terms of how they view individual posts, due to mafia having perfect information often times certain posts which they know to be correct and for the right reasons seem SUPER townie to them while to a townie the same post seems "meh town". This is an example of that. Superbia's post was very "meh town", not "I will fight you this is so town". I think this is simply another example of tumble being over the top in a place where it makes no sense as town.

Conclusion: Mafia
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16317 Posts
May 24 2016 19:00 GMT
#252
On May 25 2016 03:58 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2016 03:57 justanothertownie wrote:
On May 25 2016 03:51 Superbia wrote:
On May 25 2016 03:47 justanothertownie wrote:
On May 25 2016 03:46 Superbia wrote:
On May 25 2016 03:36 justanothertownie wrote:
On May 25 2016 03:16 Superbia wrote:
That's some 101 buddying.

So?


Why?

I see smart post I agree.

This problem how?


If you're town, and you find yourself agreeing to someone else's posts. Does not not make that person likely to have a town mindset as well, and thereby likely town?

Why are you not reading him town?

It feels like you're backing out because I'm calling you out.

I guess it is my turn now to say that I have a hard time believing you are this short sighted as town, right?


Am I wrong? Having a similar mindset is one of the strongest town tells if applied well.

If I townread HF each game where I agreed with him on some things then I would never scumread him. Same goes for marv and several other players.
This line of reasoning is bullshit and you should know better.
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14276 Posts
May 24 2016 19:06 GMT
#253
On May 25 2016 03:53 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2016 03:49 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
Plynch Candidiates:
2. ritoky
3. Rels
6. Palmar
7. marvellosity
8. sicklucker

Possible Tryhard Scums:
1. Holyflare
4. LightningStrike
5. Koshi

Rolf me as a tryhard scum? The only scumgame I really tryhard was Cell because Damdred was on my team but outside of that I didn't really tryhard as hard as scum ever. I sorry for framing you in my first scum game with ;D

Wrong person I forgot that was bats. Man I wish bats was still playing lol.
On May 25 2016 03:58 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2016 03:55 LightningStrike wrote:
Damdred, JAT, and Superbia you guys should vote Palmar with me and Koshi. I pretty sure that he's scum at this point.

Don't worry bro. If he keeps not doing anything I will gladly join your wagon.

Why not now? If he's town all these votes will actually make him do stuff. If he's scum he will roll over and die.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
May 24 2016 19:09 GMT
#254
Rito Mafia Check of Tumblewood: (The forgotten file)

On May 24 2016 20:28 Tumblewood wrote:
Theory: 2 or more scum haven't posted yet or have less than three posts
Also theory: Posting at 4 AM is dumb


There exists no town purpose to this post. If you're going to attempt to apply pressure on to inactive players, why refer to them anonymously rather than call them out directly? This does not apply the desired pressure and I find it to be a waste of space and an easy post to make to blanket seem like you're doing something. I sincerely doubt any inactive player felt any heat to post more because of what you said here.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16317 Posts
May 24 2016 19:10 GMT
#255
On May 25 2016 04:06 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2016 03:53 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 25 2016 03:49 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
Plynch Candidiates:
2. ritoky
3. Rels
6. Palmar
7. marvellosity
8. sicklucker

Possible Tryhard Scums:
1. Holyflare
4. LightningStrike
5. Koshi

Rolf me as a tryhard scum? The only scumgame I really tryhard was Cell because Damdred was on my team but outside of that I didn't really tryhard as hard as scum ever. I sorry for framing you in my first scum game with ;D

Wrong person I forgot that was bats. Man I wish bats was still playing lol.
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2016 03:58 justanothertownie wrote:
On May 25 2016 03:55 LightningStrike wrote:
Damdred, JAT, and Superbia you guys should vote Palmar with me and Koshi. I pretty sure that he's scum at this point.

Don't worry bro. If he keeps not doing anything I will gladly join your wagon.

Why not now? If he's town all these votes will actually make him do stuff. If he's scum he will roll over and die.

Too lazy to vote. And I disagree - I don't think voting him right now will make him do anything regardless of his alignment.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
May 24 2016 19:12 GMT
#256
On May 25 2016 04:00 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2016 03:58 Superbia wrote:
On May 25 2016 03:57 justanothertownie wrote:
On May 25 2016 03:51 Superbia wrote:
On May 25 2016 03:47 justanothertownie wrote:
On May 25 2016 03:46 Superbia wrote:
On May 25 2016 03:36 justanothertownie wrote:
On May 25 2016 03:16 Superbia wrote:
That's some 101 buddying.

So?


Why?

I see smart post I agree.

This problem how?


If you're town, and you find yourself agreeing to someone else's posts. Does not not make that person likely to have a town mindset as well, and thereby likely town?

Why are you not reading him town?

It feels like you're backing out because I'm calling you out.

I guess it is my turn now to say that I have a hard time believing you are this short sighted as town, right?


Am I wrong? Having a similar mindset is one of the strongest town tells if applied well.

If I townread HF each game where I agreed with him on some things then I would never scumread him. Same goes for marv and several other players.
This line of reasoning is bullshit and you should know better.


Ok, so I see where we disagree here, and I'm talking about a different kind of "agreement", on a more subconscious level. Where your line of thought lines up with the other. That being said:

I know you as a (town-)player that's non-positive (for lack of better word, someone who is not positive) and gives no credit or props or whatever. You don't pander to people as town. This is why I knew you were the last mafia in the last game you played (I skim-obsed it a bit, though I get no credit because I didn't tell anyone lolol). The fact that you call something a "good post" as town already raises my eye-brow. To add to that the fact that you're not even reading the poster town is really fucking weird, and rings my alarm bells.

Can others give some input on this?
Minimal effort.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
May 24 2016 19:13 GMT
#257
Ritoky what is my alignment?
Minimal effort.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
May 24 2016 19:14 GMT
#258
I need to sleep on some alignments, I realize I have only 1 town.
Minimal effort.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
May 24 2016 19:15 GMT
#259
just realized*
Minimal effort.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16317 Posts
May 24 2016 19:15 GMT
#260
On May 25 2016 04:12 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2016 04:00 justanothertownie wrote:
On May 25 2016 03:58 Superbia wrote:
On May 25 2016 03:57 justanothertownie wrote:
On May 25 2016 03:51 Superbia wrote:
On May 25 2016 03:47 justanothertownie wrote:
On May 25 2016 03:46 Superbia wrote:
On May 25 2016 03:36 justanothertownie wrote:
On May 25 2016 03:16 Superbia wrote:
That's some 101 buddying.

So?


Why?

I see smart post I agree.

This problem how?


If you're town, and you find yourself agreeing to someone else's posts. Does not not make that person likely to have a town mindset as well, and thereby likely town?

Why are you not reading him town?

It feels like you're backing out because I'm calling you out.

I guess it is my turn now to say that I have a hard time believing you are this short sighted as town, right?


Am I wrong? Having a similar mindset is one of the strongest town tells if applied well.

If I townread HF each game where I agreed with him on some things then I would never scumread him. Same goes for marv and several other players.
This line of reasoning is bullshit and you should know better.


Ok, so I see where we disagree here, and I'm talking about a different kind of "agreement", on a more subconscious level. Where your line of thought lines up with the other. That being said:

I know you as a (town-)player that's non-positive (for lack of better word, someone who is not positive) and gives no credit or props or whatever. You don't pander to people as town. This is why I knew you were the last mafia in the last game you played (I skim-obsed it a bit, though I get no credit because I didn't tell anyone lolol). The fact that you call something a "good post" as town already raises my eye-brow. To add to that the fact that you're not even reading the poster town is really fucking weird, and rings my alarm bells.

Can others give some input on this?

I find it extremely hard to believe that anyone who ever saw me play town would genuinely think this.
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