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emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
June 11 2016 21:48 GMT
#1821
I vote we threaten to lynch Jealous unless he releases his updated data table
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emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
June 11 2016 21:52 GMT
#1824
How's the DnD?
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Canada9496 Posts
June 11 2016 21:52 GMT
#1825
I'll take what I can get!
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emperorchampion
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Canada9496 Posts
June 12 2016 00:43 GMT
#1870
Nice boys, just need to make it though the next day!

So what about vig, think vig should hold shot, or maybe shoot moosy? idk tho seems risky
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emperorchampion
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Canada9496 Posts
June 12 2016 00:59 GMT
#1873
Why do you say probably not a vig?
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Canada9496 Posts
June 12 2016 20:00 GMT
#1887
On June 13 2016 02:19 Jealous wrote:
Another thought hit me - if BTDT wasn't framing himself, who is a likely candidate to be framed based on D2/N2?


I mean this is entirely speculation, but based on this post:

On June 06 2016 18:52 beentheredonethat wrote:
Given that Fecalfeast tried to initiate shenanigans makes me townread him. Since QT flipped town, there was absolutely no need for scum to try shenanigans. There were no other wagon on its way, so the mislynch must have been safe.

It is interesting to note that I ended up with two votes, due to the attempted shenanigans. I'm wondering why, I don't think I appear too scummy and I think I should definitely be part of any town circle that there is. I am easily readable, I try to establish my thought processes, and I kept my vote on MoosyDoosy: noone confirmed the meta/"is he able to emulate his town meta" question yet (besides himself). Also, his vote made the difference: shenanigans could've worked if he wouldn't have been the 5th guy to vote QT.

As a further note, Tumblewood still feels very townie to me. So I'll form my own town circle containing Superbia, Tumblewood, Fecalfeast, Jealous and myself (I have to review Superbia though, I don't remember much from the end of D1 that I really liked. Still town pile, though). Following that pattern, we could easily have all three scum players on QuickTwist. Removing Jealous as my town read, it comes down to:

Skynx, emperorchampion, scott31337, MoosyDoosy

Of those four players, scott had two votes cast on him, temporarily three due to the QT vote. That might have triggered MoosyDoosy to finalize the wagon of QT. What do you think about scott and MoosyDoosy, guys? I feel like I might have found a connection here. While it's not enough for a lynch IMHO, it should be enough to justify a potential power role action. One should examine those guys at night very closely.

I think it's too early to completely go by process of elimination - but I strongly suggest to not lynch outside of those players as the chance of having one or more scummers among those four bolded lads is very high.

My nulls (i.e. todos) are thekushmountains and Tictock.


It looks like possibly Moosy or scott could have been framed N2 if he was trying to set up some push on them.
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emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
June 12 2016 22:59 GMT
#1892
On June 13 2016 05:17 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2016 05:00 emperorchampion wrote:
On June 13 2016 02:19 Jealous wrote:
Another thought hit me - if BTDT wasn't framing himself, who is a likely candidate to be framed based on D2/N2?


I mean this is entirely speculation, but based on this post:

On June 06 2016 18:52 beentheredonethat wrote:
Given that Fecalfeast tried to initiate shenanigans makes me townread him. Since QT flipped town, there was absolutely no need for scum to try shenanigans. There were no other wagon on its way, so the mislynch must have been safe.

It is interesting to note that I ended up with two votes, due to the attempted shenanigans. I'm wondering why, I don't think I appear too scummy and I think I should definitely be part of any town circle that there is. I am easily readable, I try to establish my thought processes, and I kept my vote on MoosyDoosy: noone confirmed the meta/"is he able to emulate his town meta" question yet (besides himself). Also, his vote made the difference: shenanigans could've worked if he wouldn't have been the 5th guy to vote QT.

As a further note, Tumblewood still feels very townie to me. So I'll form my own town circle containing Superbia, Tumblewood, Fecalfeast, Jealous and myself (I have to review Superbia though, I don't remember much from the end of D1 that I really liked. Still town pile, though). Following that pattern, we could easily have all three scum players on QuickTwist. Removing Jealous as my town read, it comes down to:

Skynx, emperorchampion, scott31337, MoosyDoosy

Of those four players, scott had two votes cast on him, temporarily three due to the QT vote. That might have triggered MoosyDoosy to finalize the wagon of QT. What do you think about scott and MoosyDoosy, guys? I feel like I might have found a connection here. While it's not enough for a lynch IMHO, it should be enough to justify a potential power role action. One should examine those guys at night very closely.

I think it's too early to completely go by process of elimination - but I strongly suggest to not lynch outside of those players as the chance of having one or more scummers among those four bolded lads is very high.

My nulls (i.e. todos) are thekushmountains and Tictock.


It looks like possibly Moosy or scott could have been framed N2 if he was trying to set up some push on them.

that's actually a really nice pickup. I would be the ideal target for a framer since I was so trolly and a cop would want to check me. Unfortunately, I happened to be the cop in this situation.


Yeah haha
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emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
June 12 2016 23:08 GMT
#1894
RIP dude

By Apollo what in the great Olympia is this??
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emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
June 12 2016 23:20 GMT
#1895
Sooo it doesn't look like anyone else is here atm, I think I'm out after this for the night


Here's my scum power ranking:
-Skynx
-Scott
-Tictock

Half-Life 3 Confirmed List:
-Jealsus
-Super
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emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
June 13 2016 13:27 GMT
#1923
On June 13 2016 11:36 scott31337 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2016 04:01 emperorchampion wrote:
Also using shenanigans for reads in these scenarios is completely bonkers


hmm


Do you disagree?
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emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
June 13 2016 20:54 GMT
#1932
On June 12 2016 07:49 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2016 06:52 emperorchampion wrote:
How's the DnD?


Pretty awesome! We did apocalypse world and I got to violate some people with my violation glove and mind control command them.


Nice nice. I find it's hard to keep games of d&d going, since I don't want to exclude friends, and playing with 6-7 people is not really feasible :/

Anyways, it's always monk all the way!
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emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
June 13 2016 21:37 GMT
#1938
I've been looking through your filter actually

On June 09 2016 07:47 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2016 07:37 Jealous wrote:
On June 09 2016 07:36 Tictock wrote:
On June 09 2016 07:32 Jealous wrote:
On June 09 2016 07:29 Tictock wrote:
Yea we should be lynching Kush here guys. I'm not feeling any of these other lynches.

I will have to berate some people if Emp gets lynched and flips town.

It strikes me as interesting that on both days you were the third to vote for the current ban leader. Jumping on the bandwagon?


Hey as long as the wagon has the proper furnishings. This one is feeling much more comfy than QT's so I have no inklings of hopping off it like I did his.

These lynches are pretty different tbh.

If they both flip town will you feel the same way?


Yea, QT getting lynched i feel kinda bad for kus I had the sense that the lynch was bad and didn't do much about it till too late.

Kush is a good enough player that he should be making some effort here. I wont feel bad if he flips town.


I think this is the post that I've found that gives me the most pause since it seems like you are hedging your bets in a way "if he is scum I was right, if he isn't scum it's because he was a bad player".

Otherwise I like a few things, especially these two:
+ Show Spoiler +

On June 10 2016 19:16 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2016 15:53 beentheredonethat wrote:
Just catching up. Posting from mobile since Moosy just claimed. Since there was no cc just yet, I think he is either genuine or no cop is in. I am not scum and I really want to point out that there is a framer in. I am the doc. I was roleblocked night 1, trying to save tumble, and I saved Jealous last night.

Given that no vig kill on Emperor happened, I think we do not have a vig in which makes Moosys cmaim stronger. Only thing is that his claim forced me to claim myself. We will be fucked if we lynch myself for Moosys framed check. Moosy will be killed at night then and if I count correctly, we lost. I posted extremely low volume all the time to not get on scum radar which so far worked.

So long story short: Moosy is the cop. There is a framer in. I am doctor.


Honestly this sounds like me when I got tracked as scum delivering KP, didn't want to outright call the person who tracked me scum and tried to invent a world where everyone was town.

Your reads check out I guess. You TR Tumble and put some faith in his posts, but the TR on Jealous feels less fleshed out. Tbh though there isn't much to go on.

Eh the world you propose is hard to believe because for you to be town mafia not only must have a framer (which is apparently impossible, if I understood the setup) but also a Roleblocker, and both targeted you. Moosy's claim is much smoother and tracks really well given his posts, which means for him to be fake claiming he planned it out from the start of D2.

So yea, I'm believing Moosy all the way here.


On June 08 2016 11:41 Tictock wrote:
I'd actually like to know why BtDt gave FF a townread for shenanigans onto him...

and why I did the same thing but was just a null read

+ Show Spoiler +
On June 06 2016 18:52 beentheredonethat wrote:
Given that Fecalfeast tried to initiate shenanigans makes me townread him. Since QT flipped town, there was absolutely no need for scum to try shenanigans. There were no other wagon on its way, so the mislynch must have been safe.

It is interesting to note that I ended up with two votes, due to the attempted shenanigans. I'm wondering why, I don't think I appear too scummy and I think I should definitely be part of any town circle that there is. I am easily readable, I try to establish my thought processes, and I kept my vote on MoosyDoosy: noone confirmed the meta/"is he able to emulate his town meta" question yet (besides himself). Also, his vote made the difference: shenanigans could've worked if he wouldn't have been the 5th guy to vote QT.

As a further note, Tumblewood still feels very townie to me. So I'll form my own town circle containing Superbia, Tumblewood, Fecalfeast, Jealous and myself (I have to review Superbia though, I don't remember much from the end of D1 that I really liked. Still town pile, though). Following that pattern, we could easily have all three scum players on QuickTwist. Removing Jealous as my town read, it comes down to:

Skynx, emperorchampion, scott31337, MoosyDoosy

Of those four players, scott had two votes cast on him, temporarily three due to the QT vote. That might have triggered MoosyDoosy to finalize the wagon of QT. What do you think about scott and MoosyDoosy, guys? I feel like I might have found a connection here. While it's not enough for a lynch IMHO, it should be enough to justify a potential power role action. One should examine those guys at night very closely.

I think it's too early to completely go by process of elimination - but I strongly suggest to not lynch outside of those players as the chance of having one or more scummers among those four bolded lads is very high.

My nulls (i.e. todos) are thekushmountains and Tictock.



I still want to keep my vote on Kush though kus he doesn't seem like he cares and I remember town Kush giving a shit.



I think that individually, Skynx and Scott are they scummiest. I need to read through their filters tonight/tomorrow and decide if it works together as a team though.
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emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
June 13 2016 21:39 GMT
#1941
Also, scott:

On June 13 2016 22:27 emperorchampion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2016 11:36 scott31337 wrote:
On June 10 2016 04:01 emperorchampion wrote:
Also using shenanigans for reads in these scenarios is completely bonkers


hmm


Do you disagree?

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emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
June 13 2016 21:39 GMT
#1943
Since you are here now (although I will be heading out soon...)
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emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
June 13 2016 21:42 GMT
#1945
On June 14 2016 00:03 Skynx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2016 12:46 Jealous wrote:
Skynx/EC/Tictock all voted for the same person each day, except when TT did shennanies onto BTDT. Skynx always votes before EC. EC waited for another person to vote in between them in 2/3 days, except when he was last vote. Ticktock voted between the two of them on both of those instances, and shennanied later. They never voted first for the person who ended up lynched. The only person to note vote for the same person on those days is BTDT. So, unless scott is scum, then two of Skynx/EC/Tictock were working as a 2 man voting/bandwagoning cell. It's worth it to examine their interactions with each other.

Looking back at Day 1 data, we have:

+ Show Spoiler [beentheredonethat] +
BTDT reads Superbia, QuickTwist, Tumblewood town
BTDT reads MoosyDoosy scum
BTDT votes MoosyDoosy
BTDT reads Jealous scum based off Tumblewood

+ Show Spoiler [emperorchampion] +
Emperorchampion reads QuickTwist town
Emperorchampion defends QT, points at Moosy
EC softreads Tumble, QT scum
EC reads Skynx, Tumble, QT, Jealous as scum
EC reads Superbia, TT town
EC votes QT
EC says if QT town, Tumble town, Jealous scum

+ Show Spoiler [Skynx] +
Skynx reads Jealous town, Superbia scum
Skynx votes QuickTwist
Skynx defends sqrtneg1, points at FecalFeast
Skynx reads Tumble, EC town
Skynx reads QT, Superbia scum
Skynx defends Jealous @QT
Skynx points BC

+ Show Spoiler [Tictock] +
Tictock casts a fake vote for kushmountain
Tictock reads Moosy scum
Tictock reads Tumblewood town
Tictock says to ignore his previous scum reads lol
Tictock reads Jealous town
Tictock reads Superbia, Tumblewood, Moosy, blkcoffee town
Tictock reads QuickTwist, emperorchampion scum
Tictock votes QuickTwist
Tictock reads Jealous scum
TT points at FF for plynch
TT reads QT, Skynx scum
TT wants to lynch Skynx
TT reads QT scum
TT reads QT scum
TT reads QT, kush, Skynx, EC scum
TT corrects EC for BTDT
TT votes BTDT
TT defends BC


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Show nested quote +
Skynx/EC/Tictock all voted for the same person each day, except when TT did shennanies onto BTDT.

You voted same person each day as well.

Show nested quote +
They never voted first for the person who ended up lynched.

I wrote the QT case, Moosy was a troll vote and you were in the original argument and counter-voted him.
I started kush train as well along with Super.
That being said I'm conservative with my votes and I'm not a fan of changing them since a sudden change of opinion would draw more suspicion on me when already half of you guys are sr'ing me from n1.

Show nested quote +
then two of Skynx/EC/Tictock were working as a 2 man voting/bandwagoning cell.

I called TT bandwagonning D2 altho I tr him along with pretty much everyone save Moosy.

I don't see how this is all relevant tho.


Bolded feels like scum mindset
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emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
June 13 2016 21:43 GMT
#1946
On June 14 2016 06:41 Jealous wrote:
Like scott what would you do if I voted for you instead?


Vote for me probably :'(
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emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
June 13 2016 21:45 GMT
#1947
On June 13 2016 16:20 scott31337 wrote:
I know nk's are wifom, but from so many game I have obs'ed as well - dead mafia are usually on the right track as well and speak no cases.


This I'm a little confused about, I think btdt wanted to lynch you no?
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emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
June 14 2016 02:29 GMT
#1953
On June 14 2016 07:46 scott31337 wrote:
I wrote mafia in that wifom post and not town - oopsie - that may have been what the confusion was for.


Ah OK, this makes a lot more sense lol
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emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
June 14 2016 02:32 GMT
#1954
On June 14 2016 07:28 scott31337 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2016 06:39 Jealous wrote:
Scott you should vote for who you want to vote for and not just follow me, because 1. I am a dumb newb and 2. I might shennanie again.


But you are confirmed town newb

And it's 4-2 MYLO, only one townie can refrain from the pack or else we lose, so I also like to consolidate.

I'm okay with Skynx or EC right now - I like Tictock's d1 so I think he's town and every one else i think is town as well.

If I could convince you to go on Skynx I'd be okay with that, but I want to consolidate for now.

Now, if you think one or the other could be the RB, I'd love to get him first, because then mafia won't waste two nights to get rid of you.

Show nested quote +
On June 14 2016 06:45 emperorchampion wrote:
On June 13 2016 16:20 scott31337 wrote:
I know nk's are wifom, but from so many game I have obs'ed as well - dead mafia are usually on the right track as well and speak no cases.


This I'm a little confused about, I think btdt wanted to lynch you no?


No, this was about Fecalfeast and I thought it was a pretty weird kill - so I re-read his filter and reposted the parts I thought were interesting in his filter (although there wasn't much)

Show nested quote +
On June 14 2016 06:39 emperorchampion wrote:
Also, scott:

On June 13 2016 22:27 emperorchampion wrote:
On June 13 2016 11:36 scott31337 wrote:
On June 10 2016 04:01 emperorchampion wrote:
Also using shenanigans for reads in these scenarios is completely bonkers


hmm


Do you disagree?



Yes, I disagree - if were lynching a town, it doesn't make much sense for mafia to want to sheannie, they would rather get the mislynch.


The context behind this as well is that Moosy is town reading btdt, then town reading TT and fecal for vote switching to btdt. Of course, now that we have more information it can be read as a town move, but at the time I don't think you can draw anything from it.
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emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
June 14 2016 19:50 GMT
#2035
Welll this looks like it blew up, let me catch up real quick
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