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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
April 09 2016 22:45 GMT
#691
Without considering the unflipped association, Tumblewood is probably mafia for his very noncomittal game. If I am mafia because I had no follow ups (which is wrong, I kept asking questions until I was satisfied with the answers and made reads out of them when I saw something), what to say about Tumblewood? He doesn't have a single contribution, I don't rememeber a single read from him.

The same can be said about LS. It is completely weird that he doesn't have firm convictions. He is just okay with lynching either me or Artanis, and talks about lynching RB just when I inquire him. If both me and Artanis are town, he is probably mafia.
I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
April 09 2016 22:46 GMT
#695
On April 10 2016 07:43 Gossemerr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2016 07:40 GlowingBear wrote:
Why Artanis is Mafia

It's really simple. You have to think through mindsets.
Town mindset is "I have to lynch scum"

Artanis was scumreading me the entire day1. I've asked him if there was any time he considered if I could be town and he said it was when I started developing discussion using his post

+ Show Spoiler +
On April 09 2016 05:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2016 05:23 GlowingBear wrote:
On April 09 2016 05:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On April 09 2016 05:15 GlowingBear wrote:
Art, is pretty simple why you're scum.

You're scum because you had a clear scumread on me that you keep pushing without reconsidering it or without actually caring that much for other people (kinda like a tunnel)

But then, while your target IS getting lynched, you propose a shenannie. And it's not a case of not knowing who to lynched. I didn't found a single post where you consider I'm town ONCE. You just kept straight calling me mafia.

The part where you say neither me and race were here to defend ourselves is bullshit. Fidei wasn't either and it doesn't matter whether he wasn't becshse he was playing Dota or because he was busy saving a whale from Eskimos.

To those wondering what is the mafia morivation behind that: mislynching a townie and keep people discussing the lynch on another townie he was already easily pushing

I have reconsidered it. Then you came back and posted more excuses. I have gone over your filter twice already in the past.
There is a difference between going afk to play DotA 2 2 hours before deadline or having uni. One is much more of a conscious choice than the other.


is there something on day1 that made you think I'm town?

Early Day1 I thought you were aware of my intentions of getting the game started and played along, but then you having absolutely no followups whatsoever changed that. The few reads you threw out there in the last page were meh and this omgus narrative is, as you would put it, kinda boring.


So, basically, he was certain I was scum when I had no follow-up, and there was no other reason to townread me.

I was the leading vote on EOD. Artanis had his main scumread going to die. He PROPOSES A SHENANNIE ON A GUY THAT HE NEVER THOUGHT WAS MAFIA. THIS DOESN'T FIT TOWN PERSPECTIVE, because townies want to lynch scum and they won't risk mislynching a townie over a guy that could be town. IT IS SIMPLE AS THIS.

I've asked repeated questions to Artanis so he could explain what made him think FIdei could be mafia. He used the excuse that Fidei could be here but decided to play DOTA. Everyone knows that THAT ISN'T ALIGNMENT INDICATIVE. It's the only excuse he could provide to lynching someone else. He said it was also because we weren't here do defend ourselves. From what, I ask? From not having follow ups? He accused me of that 36 hours straight, pratically.

So this is the reason: Artanis is Mafia because he tried a shenannie on a guy who didn't display a clear mafia trait instead of killing his main scumread, and this will never fit town mindset.

It's not a "narrative", it's pure syllogism:

"Town acts like X
Artanis didn't act like X
Artanis isn't town"

SIMPLE
AS
THAT


Why would Art push you so hard if you are town and he is mafia? You flip town basically makes Art look super scum and leads to next day lynch on himself. 1 town for 1 mafia is not a trade the scum team would be willing to take.


Dude, pushing someone hard doesn't make anyone look bad. It's actually the opposite.
I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
April 09 2016 22:47 GMT
#699
On April 10 2016 07:43 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2016 07:40 GlowingBear wrote:
Why Artanis is Mafia

It's really simple. You have to think through mindsets.
Town mindset is "I have to lynch scum"

Artanis was scumreading me the entire day1. I've asked him if there was any time he considered if I could be town and he said it was when I started developing discussion using his post

+ Show Spoiler +
On April 09 2016 05:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2016 05:23 GlowingBear wrote:
On April 09 2016 05:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On April 09 2016 05:15 GlowingBear wrote:
Art, is pretty simple why you're scum.

You're scum because you had a clear scumread on me that you keep pushing without reconsidering it or without actually caring that much for other people (kinda like a tunnel)

But then, while your target IS getting lynched, you propose a shenannie. And it's not a case of not knowing who to lynched. I didn't found a single post where you consider I'm town ONCE. You just kept straight calling me mafia.

The part where you say neither me and race were here to defend ourselves is bullshit. Fidei wasn't either and it doesn't matter whether he wasn't becshse he was playing Dota or because he was busy saving a whale from Eskimos.

To those wondering what is the mafia morivation behind that: mislynching a townie and keep people discussing the lynch on another townie he was already easily pushing

I have reconsidered it. Then you came back and posted more excuses. I have gone over your filter twice already in the past.
There is a difference between going afk to play DotA 2 2 hours before deadline or having uni. One is much more of a conscious choice than the other.


is there something on day1 that made you think I'm town?

Early Day1 I thought you were aware of my intentions of getting the game started and played along, but then you having absolutely no followups whatsoever changed that. The few reads you threw out there in the last page were meh and this omgus narrative is, as you would put it, kinda boring.


So, basically, he was certain I was scum when I had no follow-up, and there was no other reason to townread me.

I was the leading vote on EOD. Artanis had his main scumread going to die. He PROPOSES A SHENANNIE ON A GUY THAT HE NEVER THOUGHT WAS MAFIA. THIS DOESN'T FIT TOWN PERSPECTIVE, because townies want to lynch scum and they won't risk mislynching a townie over a guy that could be town. IT IS SIMPLE AS THIS.

I've asked repeated questions to Artanis so he could explain what made him think FIdei could be mafia. He used the excuse that Fidei could be here but decided to play DOTA. Everyone knows that THAT ISN'T ALIGNMENT INDICATIVE. It's the only excuse he could provide to lynching someone else. He said it was also because we weren't here do defend ourselves. From what, I ask? From not having follow ups? He accused me of that 36 hours straight, pratically.

So this is the reason: Artanis is Mafia because he tried a shenannie on a guy who didn't display a clear mafia trait instead of killing his main scumread, and this will never fit town mindset.

It's not a "narrative", it's pure syllogism:

"Town acts like X
Artanis didn't act like X
Artanis isn't town"

SIMPLE
AS
THAT

This suggests I was certain on you being scum. I wasn't. I'm still not certain, as you would probably know if you read my case just now. I was less certain back then, and Fidei did something I thought was very scum indicative, especially since he rolled scum the game before.

"Everyone knows playing DotA 2 hours before deadline after hearing you just ended up playing a game game when you rolled scum the game before isn't alignment indicative, especially knowing Fidei hates playing scum!"
Yeah that makes sense.


Artanis, I've clearly asked you if you thought I was town for other reasons and you said you didn't. YOU SAID YOU DIDN'T THINK I WAS TOWN FOR NOTHING ELSE.

IF YOU ARE NOT CERTAIN I'M MAFIA HOW CAN YOU KEEP PUSHING ME WITHOUT CONSIDERING ANYONE ELSE ROFL PLEASE
I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
April 09 2016 22:48 GMT
#702
On April 10 2016 07:46 Fidei86 wrote:
I want to say that I think in a perfect world we would lynch one of the many lurkers or LS (because LS is a coin-flip and I hate coin-flips late in game). But I can see the sense in choosing between GB and Artanis, not least because LS pushing Racer has me all sorts of concerned. So, yeah. Sorry GB.

##Vote: GlowingBear


Don't be sorry, just use your brain next time you want to win a game.
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
April 09 2016 22:49 GMT
#705
GG, fuck this

Artanis, Tumblewood, LS - maybe Spikasaur if I am wrong in one of these.

Race Bannon is town.

To be fair I'm more certain that Tumble is mafia over Artanis. But now it's too late.
I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
April 09 2016 22:51 GMT
#708
On April 10 2016 07:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2016 07:47 GlowingBear wrote:
On April 10 2016 07:43 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On April 10 2016 07:40 GlowingBear wrote:
Why Artanis is Mafia

It's really simple. You have to think through mindsets.
Town mindset is "I have to lynch scum"

Artanis was scumreading me the entire day1. I've asked him if there was any time he considered if I could be town and he said it was when I started developing discussion using his post

+ Show Spoiler +
On April 09 2016 05:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2016 05:23 GlowingBear wrote:
On April 09 2016 05:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On April 09 2016 05:15 GlowingBear wrote:
Art, is pretty simple why you're scum.

You're scum because you had a clear scumread on me that you keep pushing without reconsidering it or without actually caring that much for other people (kinda like a tunnel)

But then, while your target IS getting lynched, you propose a shenannie. And it's not a case of not knowing who to lynched. I didn't found a single post where you consider I'm town ONCE. You just kept straight calling me mafia.

The part where you say neither me and race were here to defend ourselves is bullshit. Fidei wasn't either and it doesn't matter whether he wasn't becshse he was playing Dota or because he was busy saving a whale from Eskimos.

To those wondering what is the mafia morivation behind that: mislynching a townie and keep people discussing the lynch on another townie he was already easily pushing

I have reconsidered it. Then you came back and posted more excuses. I have gone over your filter twice already in the past.
There is a difference between going afk to play DotA 2 2 hours before deadline or having uni. One is much more of a conscious choice than the other.


is there something on day1 that made you think I'm town?

Early Day1 I thought you were aware of my intentions of getting the game started and played along, but then you having absolutely no followups whatsoever changed that. The few reads you threw out there in the last page were meh and this omgus narrative is, as you would put it, kinda boring.


So, basically, he was certain I was scum when I had no follow-up, and there was no other reason to townread me.

I was the leading vote on EOD. Artanis had his main scumread going to die. He PROPOSES A SHENANNIE ON A GUY THAT HE NEVER THOUGHT WAS MAFIA. THIS DOESN'T FIT TOWN PERSPECTIVE, because townies want to lynch scum and they won't risk mislynching a townie over a guy that could be town. IT IS SIMPLE AS THIS.

I've asked repeated questions to Artanis so he could explain what made him think FIdei could be mafia. He used the excuse that Fidei could be here but decided to play DOTA. Everyone knows that THAT ISN'T ALIGNMENT INDICATIVE. It's the only excuse he could provide to lynching someone else. He said it was also because we weren't here do defend ourselves. From what, I ask? From not having follow ups? He accused me of that 36 hours straight, pratically.

So this is the reason: Artanis is Mafia because he tried a shenannie on a guy who didn't display a clear mafia trait instead of killing his main scumread, and this will never fit town mindset.

It's not a "narrative", it's pure syllogism:

"Town acts like X
Artanis didn't act like X
Artanis isn't town"

SIMPLE
AS
THAT

This suggests I was certain on you being scum. I wasn't. I'm still not certain, as you would probably know if you read my case just now. I was less certain back then, and Fidei did something I thought was very scum indicative, especially since he rolled scum the game before.

"Everyone knows playing DotA 2 hours before deadline after hearing you just ended up playing a game game when you rolled scum the game before isn't alignment indicative, especially knowing Fidei hates playing scum!"
Yeah that makes sense.


Artanis, I've clearly asked you if you thought I was town for other reasons and you said you didn't. YOU SAID YOU DIDN'T THINK I WAS TOWN FOR NOTHING ELSE.

IF YOU ARE NOT CERTAIN I'M MAFIA HOW CAN YOU KEEP PUSHING ME WITHOUT CONSIDERING ANYONE ELSE ROFL PLEASE

So because I didn't have a straight-up reason to read you as town I should've lynched you? I can't lynch half the town at once honeybunny.


If you don't have a reason for me being town, and have a reason for me being mafia, I'm a scumread. If I'm a scumread, you lynch me. It's simple as that.
I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
April 09 2016 22:51 GMT
#714
On April 10 2016 07:51 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2016 07:49 GlowingBear wrote:
GG, fuck this

Artanis, Tumblewood, LS - maybe Spikasaur if I am wrong in one of these.

Race Bannon is town.

To be fair I'm more certain that Tumble is mafia over Artanis. But now it's too late.

Why is RB town?


I said once, I can't remember right now of why. But I think he is town.
I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
April 09 2016 22:52 GMT
#716
I'm not voting Bannon.

I am voting artanis or tumblewood
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
April 09 2016 22:54 GMT
#719
I've voted tumblewood

Artanis, are you against voting him?
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
April 09 2016 22:56 GMT
#722
On April 10 2016 07:55 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Bleh the only thing I didn't like about TW was the setting up of it always being TvS. If we're both town and he's scum that is an easy thing to push. Just dunno if scum would be so open about it if it was their plan to begin with.

Hasn't TW been mislynched a bunch already?


Hasn't GB?
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
April 09 2016 22:57 GMT
#725
On April 10 2016 07:55 Damdred wrote:
Cared enough even though he a being lynched to give a shitty last will.

Tone wise even if his push kinda sucks it does show some thought. Is all over the thread in some regards hands in everything etc. From my skin at least


It's not shitty, it's just straight forward.

Simple logic every time.
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
April 09 2016 22:58 GMT
#732
On April 10 2016 07:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2016 07:56 GlowingBear wrote:
On April 10 2016 07:55 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Bleh the only thing I didn't like about TW was the setting up of it always being TvS. If we're both town and he's scum that is an easy thing to push. Just dunno if scum would be so open about it if it was their plan to begin with.

Hasn't TW been mislynched a bunch already?


Hasn't GB?

I think I'm better at reading you than at TW though. I kinda caught you in the last scumgame we played but then let go of it :/


You've also used meta there and never used it here.

TOWN, AFTER YOU KILL ME, KILL TUMBLEWOOD. IF HE FLIPS RED, KILL ARTANIS.

GG
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
April 09 2016 22:59 GMT
#737
OH AND LS TOO
HE IS MAFIA
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
April 12 2016 23:23 GMT
#1016
On April 13 2016 08:09 Shapelog wrote:
Night 3




[image loading]

A shadowy man came from a closet, he had a shot gun in his hands. He pointed it to Art.

"Take this you motherfucking, lieing piece of knob"



The body of Art. laid on the ground, blood pouring from the wounded chest. The stranger eyed everyone else, and slowly walked back towards the closet. His foot reached the door, as he turned around, with a piece of people in his hand. For the first time, the group got a good look at his face. The man was young, maybe mid twenties, and had a scar running from his cheek from the left side to his mouth.

"Fix the past, Raze the Curse." He said, dropping the piece of paper. As he step into the closet and shut it behind him. When the group went to open the closet, the man was gone.

The read the paper out loud:

"Good, One Traitor down, and a step into the Right Direction! HAHA!

but your road is still long, all 3 must die before i reveal my secret. Yet....I am a nice person, in a twisted manner. therefore i will give you a present. Information.

The man that just enter the room was me. Who is me you ask? You will never know, or if you do, then congratulations. Time is hard to keep up with, so I can not predict if we will ever meet formally. I hold the secert to this house, or at least i should. So the deal is,

you help me, and I help you live. Fail, and we all die except them. Succeed, and I make it worth more than what he is giving.

Signed -XHIOHS
"

Artains[Xp], Dung Glatt, the mafia goon, Has been lynched!

Also a warning to Race Bannon has been issued due to failing to vote.

Morning is in


[image loading]
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
April 17 2016 04:16 GMT
#1130
On April 16 2016 11:23 CHodge wrote:
I actually feel pretty good about my play considering my work schedule. A few things to note about this game:

Town:
1. You need to be active and productive. Most of D1 for over half the townies was literally the most unproductive shit ever. No player ever should be able to do very basic analysis and be instantly town read for it; especially when said analysis comes late in the day.
2. Posting/High Post Count =/= being active. The goal for town is to not give Scum room to hide. Artanis got to hide because he was doing very minimal things. Race was just posting random shit and no one was bothering to check him. DYH was just high activity.
3. Openings are important. In my experience, ~75% of scum are "caught" in the first 10 posts. Race and Artanis could easily have been lynched for their openings (for very different reasons); Race's townreads were really, really bad. Artanis was posting but basically worthless; he should've been the D2 lynch. A player who is as skilled as he is who isn't really trying to work with anyone else to get productive posts/lynches is scum.
4. Finding town is just (if not more) important than finding scum. Everyone had me as town on D1. The D1 lynch was culminating in a fuckfest of votes on random players. If you can't find a "good lynch" or a high scum flip, just vote with the player who's you're strongest townread. It's far more likely that whoever that person wants to lynch is scum than a random decision.
5. Town leaders who aren't leading and providing direction should be lynched. From what I saw, all the discussion basically focused around Artanis; by this I mean who he talked about, focused on, etc. But he literally spent zero time actively trying to push an effective agenda.
6. In a 3v2 LYLO when votes are 4:1 especially early on and everybody is staying on, you're lynching town. The last lynch was really bad.

Scum:
This game was basically a cake walk. After killing me it was just basically riding the D1 vote. Plus, Artanis basically filled the town leader role for you. However, you need to watch your early reads on people. Early townreads aren't necessarily a bad play, but you need those reads to be effective and defendable. Part of the reason why you should townread people is to help support allies (like Artanis and DYH), to buddy/pocket town players (to throw them off), or to help push a scumread on a townie.

Everyone:
1. You should ALWAYS have a reason for why you're posting what you're posting. If you're town, you should be trying to move the game forward. If you're scum, you should be holding the game back (somehow). Before you hit the button to post, ask your self "Is this post helping me meet my win condition?" If the answer is no, then change what you're writing or delete it.
2. Figure out your role in the game. By this I mean, do you need to be a follower or a leader. A team with all chieftans and no Indians will lose because there's no direction as the team is being drawn in too many directions. A team with all Indians and no chieftans will lose because there's never a direction anywhere. FYI, just because you're VT doesn't mean you're an indian. Just because your a role doesn't mean you're a chieftan.


Good tips.

I'm sad people didn't trust my ironclad case on Artanis tho :/ after I've posted the extended explanation there was no way to refute it imo
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
April 18 2016 15:23 GMT
#1135
On April 18 2016 01:49 boxerfred wrote:
GB you suck hard


❤️
A whole town mislynched you. You can't blame me.
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