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On February 16 2016 16:16 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2016 15:55 Tictock wrote:
Well, did you get any read off of Trfel and Eden in their exchange?
Who do you think is trying to build themselves towncred?
You and Shape were just on a mafia team together, do you have any insights into his alignment?
Maybe you could try to talk about stuff like that rather than complain that the day is boring. Trfel and Eden are town because mafia are usually afraid to get into a heated argument. I think everyone besides those two who has been active is making little town cred posts without substance. Shape was spammy as all hell last game. Is that just normal though? Maybe. Tictock, what do you think of Trfel and Eden arguing?
Well I was thinking they were both town before they got into it, so I kinda just skimmed some of their exchange.
The only thing that felt a little odd to me about the whole thing was I thought Trfel's case on Eden was a touch... premature? Like I see what he was getting at but it was also super early in the game to try and make a case like that. It might be a bit odd, but I think if Trfel had tabled that thought until today and saw Eden still being disengaged or w/e then the case would carry a lot more weight.
I still think that other post from Trfel I quoted earlier is evidence of towny thinking, though I'm realizing today I didn't really account for the possibility of a Trfel/Palmar team. Not going to indulge that tinfoil today though.
My read on Eden isn't that strong but my gut is telling me he is probably town as well.
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On February 16 2016 22:31 Shapelog wrote:Ok I have Insight on Tumbledore. Going in for the read. + Show Spoiler [Insightful posts] +On February 16 2016 06:04 Tumblewood wrote:
Scumreading Trfel pretty hard right now tbh On February 16 2016 15:46 Tumblewood wrote:
This D1 sucks. Nothing very significant has happened except Trfel and Eden arguing and getting nowhere, except for all that nice town cred people are building for themselves. On February 16 2016 16:16 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2016 15:55 Tictock wrote:
Well, did you get any read off of Trfel and Eden in their exchange?
Who do you think is trying to build themselves towncred?
You and Shape were just on a mafia team together, do you have any insights into his alignment?
Maybe you could try to talk about stuff like that rather than complain that the day is boring. Trfel and Eden are town because mafia are usually afraid to get into a heated argument. I think everyone besides those two who has been active is making little town cred posts without substance. Shape was spammy as all hell last game. Is that just normal though? Maybe. Tictock, what do you think of Trfel and Eden arguing? Ok so this might seem really Meh. In fact it is Meh. But it is very different then Scum!Tumble intro post in the last Newbie. In the last newbie, as my scum partner, he opened up with a big read (note that he threw slug at me). His posts there out were also big posts. He also was like a gopher on groundhog day, he pop his head out, answer points about him being scum, then leave about 60% of the time. Other 40% was him pushing his scum reads. IF he was scum, he would have a scum read and take advantage of the situation between Eden and Trofl. + Show Spoiler [Or Tinfoil] + Slight chance that he is scum and someone like trofl or Etc. is a scum partner. I would feel fine giving Tumble a slight town lean ftm.
Humm, this isn't terribly convincing.
Maybe you could share the posts from the other game so we can see what's so different?
Though tbh I'm not sure a slight change in posting style from one game to another means much about alignment.
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On February 17 2016 05:29 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2016 22:31 Shapelog wrote:Ok I have Insight on Tumbledore. Going in for the read. + Show Spoiler [Insightful posts] +On February 16 2016 06:04 Tumblewood wrote:
Scumreading Trfel pretty hard right now tbh On February 16 2016 15:46 Tumblewood wrote:
This D1 sucks. Nothing very significant has happened except Trfel and Eden arguing and getting nowhere, except for all that nice town cred people are building for themselves. On February 16 2016 16:16 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2016 15:55 Tictock wrote:
Well, did you get any read off of Trfel and Eden in their exchange?
Who do you think is trying to build themselves towncred?
You and Shape were just on a mafia team together, do you have any insights into his alignment?
Maybe you could try to talk about stuff like that rather than complain that the day is boring. Trfel and Eden are town because mafia are usually afraid to get into a heated argument. I think everyone besides those two who has been active is making little town cred posts without substance. Shape was spammy as all hell last game. Is that just normal though? Maybe. Tictock, what do you think of Trfel and Eden arguing? Ok so this might seem really Meh. In fact it is Meh. But it is very different then Scum!Tumble intro post in the last Newbie. In the last newbie, as my scum partner, he opened up with a big read (note that he threw slug at me). His posts there out were also big posts. He also was like a gopher on groundhog day, he pop his head out, answer points about him being scum, then leave about 60% of the time. Other 40% was him pushing his scum reads. IF he was scum, he would have a scum read and take advantage of the situation between Eden and Trofl. + Show Spoiler [Or Tinfoil] + Slight chance that he is scum and someone like trofl or Etc. is a scum partner. I would feel fine giving Tumble a slight town lean ftm. Humm, this isn't terribly convincing. Maybe you could share the posts from the other game so we can see what's so different? Though tbh I'm not sure a slight change in posting style from one game to another means much about alignment.
Shape didn't meant for it to be terribly convincing. He made that abundantly clear. So why are you misrepresenting the strength of shape's read?
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Bah struggeling to find time today.
Palmar can you expand on why you think Trfel's read on you is TMI?
Did you think his meta-read and explanation was bad.inaccurate.
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On February 17 2016 01:45 nooniansoong wrote:
Just because your name is boldified in red doesn't mean I think you're scum.
Fairly confused by this, what was your reason for putting his name is bold red then?
Especially since the words underneath the bold, red PALMAR seem to indicate that you don't think he's town.
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On February 17 2016 01:57 GlowingBear wrote:
Gonna read stuff in a second
Where did you go?
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Crap I'm out of time, but I see Scott is replaced in, welcome.
Doing a poker night tonight but I should be around after that.
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All I got time for today is some filter diving, will try to figure out about where I stand on everybody in the next hour or so.
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On February 16 2016 22:19 Shapelog wrote:
Lol I am going to laugh if the scum team is actually Saltshaker, Trofl, and Palmar XD
rofl am i a salshaker
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shapelogs town. im sure its my only read of the game. and maybe ticktock
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Palmar hasn't done anything outside of his town or mafia range yet to my estimation. He has this post of mafia reads which is underwhelming.
+ Show Spoiler +On February 16 2016 20:31 Palmar wrote:
List of mafia:
Trfel for TMI on my alignment and something I can't remember
Breshke for 100% mafia
Tumblewood for complaining
sicklucker for complaining about useless day
Tictock for sheeping other people when he knows he's best player
I'm not really convinced by most of it. His Breshke read is literally a "whatever" read, as in you read it and go "whatever" and move on. Easy to make, means nothing in itself, the correct decision is to ignore he even made it and see how much he cares about it when other people don't. Same with Tictock, although that one seems more clearly facetious.
I'm sympathetic to the idea of taking out players who complain about the day being useless and don't do anything else... but I'm not as sure how mafia-indicative it is though. In practice I think this tends to come from town and mafia both about the same, and it tends to indicate the extent to which people feel empowered to affect the game more than their alignment. We've taken it as a truism here that every townie is empowered to affect the game, and thus by extension given ourselves the heuristic that people who express a lack of feeling of that empowerment, but don't appear to do anything about it, are mafia. Realistically, though, townies feel disconnected from games all the time, and will complain about it if they're emotionally invested in the game but don't comprehend the means for them to affect it.
A lot of words to say basically that I don't think Tumblewood and sicklucker can be considered suspicious *solely* for complaining about the day being useless.
So we're left with the Trfel read, which is substantially more understandable. Trfel's read on Palmar is very vague.
+ Show Spoiler +On February 16 2016 08:55 Trfel wrote:
As mafia, Palmar doesn't push people in this way. And yes, I still feel comfortable with this read even before seeing the reasons or the followup. On February 16 2016 08:59 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2016 08:03 Palmar wrote:
trfel might be too, but breshke 100+% I guess I should have left this with my above post, but to make my read a bit more clear, this is the post that makes me think that Palmar is town. It's not just that he's irrationally confident that Breshke is town, even without sharing reasons. As mafia, Palmar doesn't push things this way, he just doesn't. It's not a very direct method for scum to go "this guy is scum, this guy is scum, no I'm not going to tell you why but he's definitely scum". For Palmar to go out of his normal playstyle in an indirect manner like this, and then go farther to add that I (Trfel) might be mafia, I'm almost certain it's not in Palmar's mafia mindset. It's such an indirect approach for mafia to take with minimal gain, since it doesn't at all line up mislynches. Anyway, I hope that makes a little sense, I'm bad at explaining stuff.
Feels bad to attack Trfel's read for being poorly explained when he explicitly notes that he is poor at explaining some things, and when he seems sincere enough in his posting (i.e. it doesn't *feel* like he's trying to convince us he means it, when he's really just throwing something out there). But I don't get what Trfel means here in the least. Palmar wasn't really pushing anything with Breshke. He said Breshke was 100% mafia and then immediately proceeded to do nothing to develop it -- no explanation of the read for the rest of the town to comprehend, no push to get Breshke lynched, not even a vote for Breshke himself. Trfel says this is a weird way for Palmar to push something, and then connects it to how mafia Palmar pushes things, and thus calls Palmar town for it. But I don't even see this as a push, so the comparison to mafia Palmar's pushing tactics and subsequent townread is a stretch.
So I think it's reasonable for Palmar to call it TMI, but I'm not sold just on this basis that Trfel is mafia. I don't really understand why Trfel would be motivated to make the read, and then form an invested defense of it over several subsequent posts, were Trfel himself mafia. It's a weird thing to pick a fight over.
Wrapping this up, Palmar's reads look like they could come from either town or mafia Palmar. He's neither done anything that sells me on his being town nor done anything that I find strongly suspicious.
Questions for Palmar:
- Why did you think Breshke was 100% mafia, and do you stand by your read at this point in time? (i.e. has nothing happened between giving it and now that would make you change your mind?)
- Do you accept the premise that feeling disempowered to affect the game is alignment-neutral? If so, why do you think Tumblewood and sicklucker are mafia for expressing this sentiment? If not, why don't you accept the premise?
- You mentioned "something you can't remember" for Trfel being mafia. Can you try to remember it for us and develop this read? I found your Trfel read had the best argumentation of the group but still wasn't particularly convinced.
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Eden, who do you think we should lynch though?
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i bet palmars bussing breske
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That being said I do think palmar has a good track record of god reading breske. he might be a good start
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On February 17 2016 07:21 sicklucker wrote:
That being said I do think palmar has a good track record of god reading breske. he might be a good start
bitch i didn't ask you. I asked eden.
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I havent took anything palmars posted seriously so thats not a good sign imo
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On February 17 2016 07:21 sicklucker wrote:
That being said I do think palmar has a good track record of god reading breske. he might be a good start
On February 17 2016 07:23 sicklucker wrote:
I havent took anything palmars posted seriously so thats not a good sign imo
so you want to either sheep palmar or lynch him.
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well i certainly dont want to lynch palmar on day one. im just giving some general opinions
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