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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 16 2016 17:13 GMT
#264
I mean like if you townread him for being angry and not playing properly in a sense that he doesn't really care then you assume he is telling the truth about having no time to play (beyond the surface level) and then his play after that perfectly fits this narrative. But then.. you scumread him for it?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 16 2016 17:20 GMT
#266
I don't think there is anything wrong with NM's posting.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 16 2016 17:22 GMT
#269
On January 17 2016 02:20 AlotSomuch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2016 02:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 17 2016 02:01 AlotSomuch wrote:
On January 17 2016 01:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Alot is there a reason why you do not agree with my case on Trfel?


Had to go all the way back to the beginning to find which case you were specifically talking about (back to page 6). I agree with your point on his post, and it is part of the reason I voted and am still voting him. It's a suspicious post. I'm saying he's made some better posts throughout the day. I'm still suspicious, which is why I haven't unvoted and want to keep him as the secondary wagon, but I'm also getting more suspicious of Holeyflair. Votes currently stand at 3 votes on Holey, 2 votes on trifle. I'm ok with that right now, and I'm kind of expecting you to switch to Trifle if you feel he is the more likely scum right before EOD.

Is there any other posts you like except the posts on Holyflare?


No, those were mostly it. He presented a viable alternate candidate and made some good points on him.

VISCERAEYES, looking back, you voted Trifle but never actually put it in the voting thread. Are you still feeling he is the best candidate, and if so are you going to be putting your vote back there?

I am a bit confused here Alot.
Do you think both Holyflare and Trfel are mafia?
If you don't, why are you okay with both being lynch candidates?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 16 2016 17:27 GMT
#271
On January 17 2016 02:22 Trfel wrote:
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On January 17 2016 02:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I mean like if you townread him for being angry and not playing properly in a sense that he doesn't really care then you assume he is telling the truth about having no time to play (beyond the surface level) and then his play after that perfectly fits this narrative. But then.. you scumread him for it?
I didn't townread him for being angry and saying that he had no time to play. I townread him for doing things that aren't strictly necessary from a mafia perspective.

In this game, Holyflare made a bunch of posts that didn't directly further his plan, notably the one I quoted. A direct route to accomplishing the same thing would have been:

"I think that Damdred is mafia because of xyz. I don't have much time to play because changing the game start by one day really affects my availability with respect to the deadlines."

Thus, I had a town lean on Holyflare.

Then, Holyflare made several scum reads at different points, causing me to think that he didn't care about his reads, as I described in my first post about him. This is much stronger than my initial town lean, and also, Holyflare scumreading 3 people and having zero townreads showed a more "direct" approach from a mafia perspective, changing my initial read.

But you just said you initially townread him for the post where he literally says [u]he doesn't have the time to play properly anymore!!!!!

Then you accuse him of being mafia because he ONLY posts scumreads (which is the most important thing to do if you don't have time to post/argue about everything you wanted).

How does making scumreads in a situation like that result in him being mafia?
What should he have done instead? What is more important than posting who you think is mafia if you can only post one thing?

Basically you are claiming you believe him when he says he has only limited time to play the game and then accuse of him doing the MOST townie thing he can do with his limited time...[/i]
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 16 2016 17:29 GMT
#272
Which is kinda ridiculous since it seems like you are not really scumreading him for his actual actions but the motivation behind it.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 16 2016 17:38 GMT
#277
Here is a post you say you townread Holyflare for:
On January 15 2016 10:29 Holyflare wrote:
[...]
This is where the game falls flat. I consented to be in one game and theorised that because I am so good and have little time that I will either roll town and die n1 or roll mafia and have an afk excuse. Now, that game I consented to is gone and in this game the days don't align with me and I'm just not feeling the sexual arousal needed so you did not have my consent.
[...]

The post literally says "i don't have time to play properly".
If you townread Holyflare for this post (which is what you said), i assume you also think he is telling the truth in what he says in this post.
On January 17 2016 02:32 Trfel wrote:
I never said that I townread him because he said he doesn't have time to play properly. That has nothing to do with my read on Holyflare.

And then you claim this bullshit? I am not saying you townread him FOR not having time to play properly. I am saying you MUST believe this BECAUSE you townread him.

And then again we come to this.
You believe HF has no time to play properly -> he does what's BEST to do if he tells the truth here and is town (which is what you believe) -> you scumread him for it.

It doesn't make any sense.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 16 2016 17:39 GMT
#278
Like this isn't that fucking hard to understand....
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 16 2016 17:43 GMT
#280
well you're scum.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 16 2016 17:52 GMT
#284
On January 17 2016 02:49 Damdred wrote:
Ok rayn talk to me,here.

Lets say flip happens trfel is town hf gets shot. What/who are you looking at?

No. I am not entertaining a scenario i don't believe to be true since i don't see a reason to believe it's true.

Do you see both HF and Trfel back down on each other? I do. It's like magic!
I thought they were both really really sure each other is scum....
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 16 2016 18:02 GMT
#287
I am not asking you why don't you think they are both scum or not.
I am asking you if you don't, why are you okay with the current direction of them both being lynch targets?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 16 2016 18:03 GMT
#288
Like if you don't think they are both scum then one of them is town (duh).
If one of them is town how on earth are you okay with "whichever of them getting lynched"?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 16 2016 18:03 GMT
#289
On January 17 2016 02:01 AlotSomuch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2016 01:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Alot is there a reason why you do not agree with my case on Trfel?


Had to go all the way back to the beginning to find which case you were specifically talking about (back to page 6). I agree with your point on his post, and it is part of the reason I voted and am still voting him. It's a suspicious post. I'm saying he's made some better posts throughout the day. I'm still suspicious, which is why I haven't unvoted and want to keep him as the secondary wagon, but I'm also getting more suspicious of Holeyflair. Votes currently stand at 3 votes on Holey, 2 votes on trifle. I'm ok with that right now, and I'm kind of expecting you to switch to Trifle if you feel he is the more likely scum right before EOD.

Which is what you basically say here....
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 16 2016 18:07 GMT
#291
okay i guess that makes sense.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 16 2016 21:44 GMT
#342
On January 17 2016 05:43 Holyflare wrote:
Trfel's case is bad because I clearly did have a thought process too.

Dandred and ritoky didn't respond = mafia, ritoky and damdred did then respond = drop.

Rayn makes trash post about how I lied and I didn't and goes against his OWN logic about how I would never post those things unless I was town after calling me confirmed town to trfel and geript = mafia.

His responses weren't awful so i felt a modicum less effort and called him trash instead of mafia.

Nm takes this rayn post and says it's good even though rayn's post isn't good in the slightest since rayn bases his whole post on a misrep and multiple assumptions = mafia.

Trfel first post was garbage because of stuff people already explained but my hard on for rayn being mafia made me not care about trfel.

I still don't care about this game because it's shite and half the people aren't playing.

This makes ritoky mafia because he is super demotivated right after being motivated. This also makes palmar mafia because he took the easy option in lynching me after being motivated.

The last mafia is someone I don't care about.

So what, there is now 4 scum? Me, NM, ritoky and Palmar?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 16 2016 21:45 GMT
#343
And maybe Trfel too.... Guess you can find a couple more so mafia can win this by outnumbering the town on D1 and noone has to play....
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 16 2016 21:52 GMT
#346
Like Holyflare, do you realize it's YOUR actions that made ritoky and Palmar (and others like Cephiro, Ace and me for example) not care about the D1 as much as we should/could? Yes, i have intentionally not wanted to post in this game for that reason at times. Do you understand that YOU gave a perfect excuse for anyone to just do what at least five people did in case they are mafia, because it's and expected outcome from people -- you can't even argue against it because we all can't possibly be mafia.

I understand everyone who haven't given fucks about the D1, because i feel the same.
So yeah, deal with the consequences then... Or what do you suggest we do? Lynch Palmar who can very well do this as town? IF he flips town, then what? Lynch ritoky? When he flips town too? Can we then lynch you? Because it's essentially YOUR fault they are playing like this (or well..not playing).

Because guess what... i suggest we lynch you since there is a high chance you are scum and in the worst place you flip town and then the people can't hide behind "i won't play because Holyflare" regardless of their affiliation.

Don't blame anyone for what you did yourself...
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 16 2016 21:54 GMT
#348
Like.. .you got half of the game not playing.
It is a scummy thing to do that. You could have avoided it.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 16 2016 21:56 GMT
#353
On January 17 2016 06:55 geript wrote:
Rayn. Honestly. You're either Mafia or kinda making the game unfun. Can you like scale back to a 9 instead of an 11.

Yeah i am definitely the one making the game unfun....
Fuck you.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 16 2016 22:00 GMT
#361
On January 17 2016 06:59 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2016 06:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 17 2016 06:55 geript wrote:
Rayn. Honestly. You're either Mafia or kinda making the game unfun. Can you like scale back to a 9 instead of an 11.

Yeah i am definitely the one making the game unfun....
Fuck you.

You've ignored everything I've said and basically painted me as an idiot.

I am sorry but no, you did that. you even called me an idiot when i was trying to argue with you.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 16 2016 22:03 GMT
#366
Well the thing here is there is Holyflare, then there are Trfel and geript whose arguments do not make any sense.
So, go figure.
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