this message goes out to any vigis or cops out there. i don't think my interest level in this game is going to come back because of the way it started/ended; if you think that's going to be a detriment to town going forward or you don't like the reads i am about to post then just shoot or check me. i will flip town, but if questions about the guy not doing enough is gonna ruin town more than shooting a townie then it's probably just worth it to resolve me 1 way or the other.

ritoky

United States6851 Posts

January 17 2016 10:07 GMT

#523

town (no particular order):
ritoky

VE - similar thoughts at similar times and cuz of this post and in particular the question that i think never comes from mafia:

On January 16 2016 01:57 VisceraEyes wrote:
##Vote: Trfel

So let's assume for now that ritoky is never getting lynched today. Let's further assume that you could only kill one of three people, and those three people are the MOST active people in the game so far. Which one would you lynch and why?

damdred - shitting on nm for giving me any town cred and being feisty; peacekeeper damdred is mafia damdred

hf - mod shit, can't help himself read, and best case made in the game so far:

On January 17 2016 09:50 Holyflare wrote:
A lot so much is mafia.

1. Says rayn has rayn logic and it's not bad but decides to go against rayn's case and still call me town. TMI.

2. Says trfel looked bad but then says trfel looks a lot more towny but still votes trfel.

3. Says that case from rayn on trfel always existed and that's why he was voting trfel but doesn't make sense just after he says trfel looks more towny.

4. Says votes on me and trfel are a good 2 wagons...? Even though he started to tr trfel and has always tr me.

5. Says votes on me good because I'm scummy but for no reasons.

6. Asks why I haven't backed down on trfel so trefl looks good after flip but I've never been on trfel.

Aka convenient tmi in posts (to tr rayn, me), surface level (no reasons whatsoever) to scum read people, and no logical progression other than opportune wanting to be on current wagons.

ace - saw the potential scum slip i saw when reading through the game

On January 17 2016 08:46 Ace wrote:

Show nested quote +

On January 17 2016 08:44 NocturneMage wrote:

On January 17 2016 08:34 Trfel wrote:

On January 17 2016 08:29 NocturneMage wrote:

On January 17 2016 08:20 Trfel wrote:
@NocturneMage, I am ignoring geript and Palmar (and AlotSomuch) because I am not sure about them, and because you are mafia

I felt that Palmar is town for meta reasons, but I should probably look again at Assassination Mafia, my meta could be incorrect.

I'm not, and when I flip town, where will you go after that?

Also IIRC Palmar's meta is finding mafia day 1 or being scum for not progressing the game. If you maintain he's town for meta reasons and he's policy lynching HF over a scum read (you) and you're town, why would you be townreading him?

Or if your understanding of his meta is different from mine, then what is it?

I don't know. I'm starting to remember some things that make me less sure that you are mafia, though, so I really need to look into that more.

My perception of Palmar's meta is that as mafia he is serious and as town he is not. Basically just that, but relative to Palmar's play. That's why he was mafia in Outlaw Mafia (to me, anyway), because overall he was serious and actually playing the game as it's intended to be played.

To answer your previous question, I did read the thread (if a bit quickly, there's some time pressure...), and I read your posts. And I still think that you are mafia, though I'm double-checking that read. Yes, I found several things about your more recent posts suspicious, but I don't share every suspicious thing that I see unless I feel that there is a point to it.

Here's the thing, the reason I'm asking you this is accountability. You're driving a mislynch one way or another.

DYH I can't tell at the moment if he's town having a bad read on me because he's just not been in this game or if he's mafia trying to get the easiest ML he can manage.

And Trfel if you are town, then I think you're not entirely accurate on the Palmar meta. He trolled the shit out of people in Outlaw, and in Down Under 3 from obsing I recall him being more serious yelling at people who didn't follow him. It's a faulty reason to town him in your worldview.

the fuck? clarify

rayn - cuz i made that 1 read early about the way palmar was talking to rayn and how it was different and how rayn is only mafia if palmar is too, oh and he made a post in all caps.

mafiaish:

NM - see scumslip above, tmi knowing both wagons = town

geript - usually shits town on my face when town, face clear of feces, so mafia lean

mafia:

alotsomuch - cuz hf case is good

any questions?

ritoky

United States6851 Posts

January 17 2016 10:09 GMT

#524

probably going to sleep soon then gonna watch my hawks probably lose tomorrow and depending on how much wallowing in despair i do i may or may not be back before the flip.

Holyflare

United Kingdom30775 Posts

January 17 2016 14:33 GMT

#525

Eh don't think alot is so mafia-y after reading his VS games. Also jesus how do people play mafia on these badly formatted websites.

Holyflare

United Kingdom30775 Posts

January 17 2016 14:38 GMT

#526

On January 17 2016 23:33 Holyflare wrote:
Eh don't think alot is so mafia-y after reading his VS games. Also jesus how do people play mafia on these badly formatted websites.

Although I've not read his town games so grain of salt.

Damdred

15669 Posts

January 17 2016 14:44 GMT

#527

Good morning another 18 hour shift at least I should have a small amount of mafia time now to work

Damdred

15669 Posts

January 17 2016 15:27 GMT

#528

DYH could you explain your tr on Trfel in greater detail?

Holyflare

United Kingdom30775 Posts

January 17 2016 17:18 GMT

#529

On January 17 2016 10:28 Holyflare wrote:
Hello... hello...hello

Damdred

15669 Posts

January 17 2016 17:27 GMT

#530

Well I'm going to get to work on maybe a vca or at least a Poe list I was hoping that Trfel, dyh would show up.

I sorta think someone up for lynch has to be scum in this situation.

Trfel

7015 Posts

January 17 2016 18:41 GMT

#531

Hi.

I wasn't planning on doing much tonight, but I guess I can try to answer questions if anyone has them. I will go to get lunch soon, and I'll be gone for a few hours before End of Night, but otherwise I'll probably be here.

Damdred

15669 Posts

January 17 2016 18:47 GMT

#532

Trfel after you and rayn talked and you tried to swing the convo to nm. When did you really start town reading hf? And why?

Holyflare

United Kingdom30775 Posts

January 17 2016 18:49 GMT

#533

Also why no info on vote switches trfel?

Damdred

15669 Posts

January 17 2016 18:56 GMT

#534

I actually found something fun in trfels filter hf

Holyflare

United Kingdom30775 Posts

January 17 2016 18:59 GMT

#535

Which is?

Damdred

15669 Posts

January 17 2016 19:07 GMT

#536

Scum reads you continuously throughout d1 basically. After arguing with rayn says they aren't sure about you anymore and soon afterwards talks to you like you are confirmed town.

The vote on palmar is based on crummy reasoning as well I think by him.

Trfel

7015 Posts

January 17 2016 19:13 GMT

#537

Damdred, I started townreading Holyflare when I was talking to you about him.

I realized that I was being stupid and that my read was bad, so I changed my read to make it correct. If that makes me scum, then that's fine with me.

Damdred

15669 Posts

January 17 2016 19:20 GMT

#538

You filter says otherwise trfel

You scum read hf
We talk
You still read him scum
We talk more
You want to check his filter bit still,think,it's scum motivated
You argue with rayn
Say you are unsure about hf either way
Then say to hf let's ignore rayn and lynch mafia (implies townread)
Then later you say you think hf is town.

So what changed from talking to rayn to that town read or even from talking to me to being unsure to saying tr.

Trfel

7015 Posts

January 17 2016 19:26 GMT

#539

Holyflare didn't do anything differently, I did.

I decided that it would be pretty stupid for Holyflare to play mafia in this way, and that this was more important than the mafia motivation that I was seeing. The mafia motivation also made more sense from a town perspective, the more I thought about it.

My initial read was bad. I mean, do you want me to explain why that read was bad, because I thought that it was obvious?

Damdred

15669 Posts

January 17 2016 19:43 GMT

#540

Take me through voting palmar