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On December 14 2015 05:29 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2015 05:27 DarthPunk wrote:
And why am I scum for it when other people have expressed similar sentiments and are town? Like, is everyone who has stated that Greymist is scummy but are not voting for him also scum?
That makes no fucking sense. who did this? art/rsoul are calling him somewhat town rels started town on him and then it fell off, which is actually a really weird way round for things to go you're equivalenting (totes a word) yourself with other players except there is no equivalence. really afk now.
Rels did it IIRC
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Yeah. I have no fucking idea who I want to lynch anymore.
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On December 14 2015 05:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2015 05:29 marvellosity wrote:On December 14 2015 05:27 DarthPunk wrote:
And why am I scum for it when other people have expressed similar sentiments and are town? Like, is everyone who has stated that Greymist is scummy but are not voting for him also scum?
That makes no fucking sense. who did this? art/rsoul are calling him somewhat town rels started town on him and then it fell off, which is actually a really weird way round for things to go you're equivalenting (totes a word) yourself with other players except there is no equivalence. really afk now. I did it. Not that i called him scum for it but i found it weird considering he had given out reads on other vocal players. DarthPunk what are the changes in your reads?
I think lynching marv is wrong at this point. I remember analyzing his scum games on a few podcasts and one of the things he did was flame people hard for calling him out.
Also in the past 4 years or so he HAS often been afk on weekends. Like that is a legit thing.
Greymist has looked much better recently and he has made some interesting pushes even if he is fucking it up every now and then.
I think both my scum reads were off and that I need to re-evaluate.
I think the hydra and damdred both look worse to me right now.
Like what has damdred done recently to solve the game.
And the hydra's push on me is just plain retarded. It's almost if they don;t understand the EV of using PoE in smaller games.
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On December 14 2015 05:37 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2015 05:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 14 2015 05:29 marvellosity wrote:On December 14 2015 05:27 DarthPunk wrote:
And why am I scum for it when other people have expressed similar sentiments and are town? Like, is everyone who has stated that Greymist is scummy but are not voting for him also scum?
That makes no fucking sense. who did this? art/rsoul are calling him somewhat town rels started town on him and then it fell off, which is actually a really weird way round for things to go you're equivalenting (totes a word) yourself with other players except there is no equivalence. really afk now. I did it. Not that i called him scum for it but i found it weird considering he had given out reads on other vocal players. DarthPunk what are the changes in your reads? I think lynching marv is wrong at this point. I remember analyzing his scum games on a few podcasts and one of the things he did was flame people hard for calling him out. Also in the past 4 years or so he HAS often been afk on weekends. Like that is a legit thing. Greymist has looked much better recently and he has made some interesting pushes even if he is fucking it up every now and then. I think both my scum reads were off and that I need to re-evaluate. I think the hydra and damdred both look worse to me right now. Like what has damdred done recently to solve the game.And the hydra's push on me is just plain retarded. It's almost if they don;t understand the EV of using PoE in smaller games.
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On December 14 2015 05:38 Damdred wrote:
Marv is town, the reason I say this is he hates giving town information if he is scum and going to roll over.
Two hours and thirty to go and he comes in and tries to fins scum? Maybe he gets lynched maybe not but I he basically Poe town and I don't think scum marv does that on his death bed+ tone.
##unvote
Who do you want to lynch?
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I've really got to go to work. Rayn I am sheeping you who do I vote for?
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On December 14 2015 05:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oh god and then you make posts like that...
Now i have absolutely no idea what to do.
Like why do you just plain out refuse to consider Rels as mafia?
Damdred scum over Rels, no fucking hell ever.
I'm not. He could be mafia. I have no idea at this point when both my scum reads look townie at EoD.
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On December 14 2015 05:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I have to go for 15mins. I'll brb.
I Literally leave in 15 min.
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On December 14 2015 05:45 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2015 05:42 DarthPunk wrote:
I've really got to go to work. Rayn I am sheeping you who do I vote for? This post kinda bothers me though
go read my VS games. I sheep rayn like all the time as both alignments.
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##vote: Rels
See you tonight.
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I just got back from work.
I'm torn about the marv lynch. I feel a tiny bit good that I thought he was scum at one point.
I feel fucking super bad that I thought he was town after that.
Some very quick thoughts from my skim.
Rayn
Obv town. He is scumhunting in a typical rayn way with deep fucking analysis that makes me super jealous. Like to find that inconsistency in marvs statements vs his expected thought process is legit. Marv legit got caught. Not cause he was afk most of day one but based on inconsistencies.
Rels
Lol? Wtf?
I keep town reading him for his panics and his super fast switching/ tunnels. Anyone know if he could play that kind of scum game?
[b]Greymist[\b]
Looks kinda bad to me post marv flip. I don't know if any of you will be able to relate to this sentiment. But his posting reminds me of somebody that played here called goodkarma. Now, Goodkarma used to post really clean nice long analysis posts as scum but they always felt a bit off as mafia and everything didn't add up quite right.
Like GM is posting nicely worded and formatted posts. But to me it seemed he was waffling on marv, calling him out but really not wanting to lynch him. He also posted that setup speculation where he was asking everyone else to take the lead and not doing so himself.
Yeah GM kinda scummy.
[b]The Hydra[\b]
I legit think RSO is just bad at the game. Not sure if they are scum even though they are doing dumb stuff and clearly give zero fucks about the outcome of the lynch, that interaction within the hydra is tough to fake.
Where to from here:
I think we could almost just sheep rayn every lynch and win the game :D
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also how do I fail format that hard? I'm tired guys.
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And... nobody is around to talk. Sucks.
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On December 14 2015 17:41 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2015 15:41 DarthPunk wrote:
Rels
Lol? Wtf?
I keep town reading him for his panics and his super fast switching/ tunnels. Anyone know if he could play that kind of scum game? I thought you read some games of mine ? You didn't read any scum games ? I could do that as scum. But, WIFOM alert, I wouldn't if I was scum with marv.
I skimmed some games. No scum games i think.
Who do you think looks best and who looks worst from the marv flip?
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On December 15 2015 00:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:It basically has to do with the stuff that starts around when marv comes back or starts posting. First his posting makes DP unvote him. marv himself is voting for DP at this point. I express my ocncerns and Rels, unvote marv and vote for Rels. This is what Greymist posts there: Show nested quote +On December 14 2015 05:23 GreYMisT wrote:On December 14 2015 05:19 marvellosity wrote:
this is kinda my appeal to emotion to you rayn, and also the rest of the players who know me:
weekends are ALWAYS fucking shit for me these days. like every game i make excuses about the weekend (and i should have done here but i just didn't). like the shadow QT of my last game is me going "i need to get NK n1 because as usual i am away all weekend"
sure being afk is generally a scumtell for me, but being away on the weekend is just a marvtell, and in such a fucking short game, at any point (if i wasn't genuinely afk) and made a bunch of posts that looked fine.
except (in this case where i am mafia) i have decided to leave making my posts for like 2 hours before deadline when all the votes on me and it looks kinda hopeless?
bleh............... My issue here is that this post didnt come at the start of the game when you said "hey" after the day post. You obviously knew that the game was starting and that it was the weekend. You didnt make any effort to phone post and say, "yo guys cant post, sorry, will do it later" or anything of the sort. Why shouldn't I believe that you are scum marv trying to come in at the last second and sow a little chaos? After this marv addresses me directly and says he is keeping his vote his vote on DP. Then Greymist posts these posts: Show nested quote +On December 14 2015 05:25 GreYMisT wrote:On December 14 2015 05:23 marvellosity wrote:On December 14 2015 05:23 GreYMisT wrote:On December 14 2015 05:19 marvellosity wrote:
this is kinda my appeal to emotion to you rayn, and also the rest of the players who know me:
weekends are ALWAYS fucking shit for me these days. like every game i make excuses about the weekend (and i should have done here but i just didn't). like the shadow QT of my last game is me going "i need to get NK n1 because as usual i am away all weekend"
sure being afk is generally a scumtell for me, but being away on the weekend is just a marvtell, and in such a fucking short game, at any point (if i wasn't genuinely afk) and made a bunch of posts that looked fine.
except (in this case where i am mafia) i have decided to leave making my posts for like 2 hours before deadline when all the votes on me and it looks kinda hopeless?
bleh............... My issue here is that this post didnt come at the start of the game when you said "hey" after the day post. You obviously knew that the game was starting and that it was the weekend. You didnt make any effort to phone post and say, "yo guys cant post, sorry, will do it later" or anything of the sort. Why shouldn't I believe that you are scum marv trying to come in at the last second and sow a little chaos? how does it benefit me or my team for me to just get lynched d1? cmon Grey. you've already gotten 1 vote off yourself Show nested quote +On December 14 2015 05:29 GreYMisT wrote:On December 14 2015 05:27 DarthPunk wrote:
And why am I scum for it when other people have expressed similar sentiments and are town? Like, is everyone who has stated that Greymist is scummy but are not voting for him also scum?
That makes no fucking sense. DP has a point here marv, I filtered him and unless im missing something he said im suspicious, never that I was his choice of a lynch to follow you. Why him over Rels if this is the case? Show nested quote +On December 14 2015 05:36 GreYMisT wrote:
Well guys, we have an hour and a half to discuss marvs last posts, figure out if he is still the lynch, and if not find another. My first impression is that it seems weird that he alternates between having reads on DP and rels, but only wants to kill DP. what do you guys think about that?
In the meantime im going to look at the other options for lynch. I'm no longer confortable with rayn as a lynch. Thinking about what ritani said about his meta, and clearing up that inconsistancy i thought i saw in his post allieviated a lot of my concerns. I am looking at rels and damdred atm because I am leaning town on DP.
Now here the situation is the following; marv has made up his mind on the lynch. If Greymist is scum with him he knows this is the case since marv said he will leave, and left. - marv is voting for DP. Doesn't want to lynch Rels. - DP is voting for noone, and there is no guarantee who he will vote -- most likely Rels or marv, since regardless of his affiliation those are basically his options here. - I am voting for Rels (but at the time i am questioning other people aswell, since Rels is not around) - Damdred is on marv, soon to unvote -- no guarantee what he will do - Hydra is afk, no guarantee if they will come back or not, and if they do, what they will do In my opinion, in this case (assuming Greymist is scum here), he has to do something. He has to either align with marv (which marv has kinda done with him) and vote for DP or vote for Rels. I basically think there is no way Greymist wants to bus marv if he is scum here because the last minutes of the dayphase heavily contradict that narrative. What does Greymist do? Look at the last set of posts. Instead of doing EITHER of the "right" things (voting for DP/Rels) he decides to cast doubt on marv (even before that) and call DP town. Now i would understand this if Greymist was scum with DP, but that is impossible. At this point marv has made his play, and got people doubtful about if he is scum. At this point you need to hammer the lynch home as scum -- because you have been given the ammunition for doing that. Instead of doing that Greymist does the opposite. I don't believe he is scum.
This makes sense.
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Right I just caught up.
I'm about to go to work in 20 min or so. And I am going out for dinner straight after work. So I will be back in a little over 12 hours.
I really feel like it's hard to interact in the thread with the timezone differences and having like 3 hours per day to post but I am trying.
If I Die just sheep rayn.
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Rayn if grey is scum why did he not push me or rels really hard with marv in order to stave off marvs lynch?
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On December 15 2015 06:30 GreYMisT wrote:
To each his own. I'm not worried about being lynched and even if I am I think the remaining town will be able to dissect this whole night phase quite nicely. I'll be spending the next day phase trying to find scum. I'll freely interact with anyone towards those ends.
Who do you want to lynch right now and why?
Who is most likely town to you and why?
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On December 15 2015 06:36 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2015 06:34 DarthPunk wrote:
Rayn if grey is scum why did he not push me or rels really hard with marv in order to stave off marvs lynch? He didn't push hard but he did push me and tried to resist the switch off me to marv.
I guess that is kinda true. But I think scum in that position would do one of three things.
1.) Push another target really hard.
2.) Bus marv really hard.
3.) Ignore the lynch entirely.
I do not see what grey would be thinking as scum at EoD kinda waffling around his scum buddies lynch.
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Rayn I honestly think your arguments about why GM had to be town made more sense than this post about why GM is scum.
Do you not consider that GM could have just changed his perception of that post over the course of time?
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