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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 22 2015 22:18 GMT
#681
On October 23 2015 07:16 yamato77 wrote:
Ritoky, slam, bh, onegu all likely mafia? I disagree on at least one. Your last paragraph of townreads is fine but meh, I can't agree with you too much here.

why do you thin any of there players are town?
and who would you swap? glowingbear? who else?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 22 2015 22:18 GMT
#682
On October 23 2015 07:17 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2015 07:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 23 2015 07:13 marvellosity wrote:
On October 23 2015 05:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
okay after poe i am lynching into:

Blazinghand
Xatalos
Onegu
Alakaslam
ritoky

i am pretty sure we have three mafia there.

i thought you told me ritoky was town?

yeah that was yesterday.


Show nested quote +
On October 23 2015 06:53 ritoky wrote:
On October 22 2015 12:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i think ritoky is town tbh


On October 23 2015 05:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
okay after poe i am lynching into:

Blazinghand
Xatalos
Onegu
Alakaslam
ritoky

i am pretty sure we have three mafia there.


On October 23 2015 05:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't understand the reads on ritoky. He literally said:
"BH is town until he does something egregious enough to be considered not town."
"generally speaking he doesn't rng as mafia, but i wouldn't put it past him to break meta."

So what? He townreads Blazinghand for something he then says, in the next post, is not a reason to townread Blazinghand`!!?


On October 23 2015 05:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 23 2015 05:39 Blazinghand wrote:
On October 23 2015 05:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I fail to see how i am being "aggressive" here, so could you explain BH?


well, not towards me. You're actually being a little more gentle with me, compared to normal. Normally I'd expect you to end up TRing ritoky for that on your own. Maybe it's been some time since we played together, or my edge is getting dull, but I recall you being pretty good at noticing people's motivations.

ritoky is a really had to read for me and i don't think he has said much of anything that could be in my opinion considered townie.

Maybe it's jsut like you say and other people do not know you as well as i do (and what you can / cannot do as mafia), but still... it's really hard for me to believe both of Xatalos and ritoky actually believe you are town for your actions regarding the rng lynch. I just don't fucking buy it.


nice one bro.


respond.

no
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 22 2015 22:21 GMT
#687
On October 23 2015 07:20 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2015 07:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 23 2015 07:16 yamato77 wrote:
Ritoky, slam, bh, onegu all likely mafia? I disagree on at least one. Your last paragraph of townreads is fine but meh, I can't agree with you too much here.

why do you thin any of there players are town?
and who would you swap? glowingbear? who else?

I disagree on ritoky and I don't have a solid read on any of BH, slam, or Onegu.

Yes I would swap in GB

Notably missing from your post is Xata. Obviously he's been an active player but his stances are meh and I don't really think he's put himself out much. What do you read him?

I didn't miss him in the post. I think he is likely town.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 22 2015 22:23 GMT
#689
On October 23 2015 07:21 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2015 07:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 23 2015 07:17 ritoky wrote:
On October 23 2015 07:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 23 2015 07:13 marvellosity wrote:
On October 23 2015 05:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
okay after poe i am lynching into:

Blazinghand
Xatalos
Onegu
Alakaslam
ritoky

i am pretty sure we have three mafia there.

i thought you told me ritoky was town?

yeah that was yesterday.


On October 23 2015 06:53 ritoky wrote:
On October 22 2015 12:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i think ritoky is town tbh


On October 23 2015 05:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
okay after poe i am lynching into:

Blazinghand
Xatalos
Onegu
Alakaslam
ritoky

i am pretty sure we have three mafia there.


On October 23 2015 05:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't understand the reads on ritoky. He literally said:
"BH is town until he does something egregious enough to be considered not town."
"generally speaking he doesn't rng as mafia, but i wouldn't put it past him to break meta."

So what? He townreads Blazinghand for something he then says, in the next post, is not a reason to townread Blazinghand`!!?


On October 23 2015 05:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 23 2015 05:39 Blazinghand wrote:
On October 23 2015 05:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I fail to see how i am being "aggressive" here, so could you explain BH?


well, not towards me. You're actually being a little more gentle with me, compared to normal. Normally I'd expect you to end up TRing ritoky for that on your own. Maybe it's been some time since we played together, or my edge is getting dull, but I recall you being pretty good at noticing people's motivations.

ritoky is a really had to read for me and i don't think he has said much of anything that could be in my opinion considered townie.

Maybe it's jsut like you say and other people do not know you as well as i do (and what you can / cannot do as mafia), but still... it's really hard for me to believe both of Xatalos and ritoky actually believe you are town for your actions regarding the rng lynch. I just don't fucking buy it.


nice one bro.


respond.

no


y'know, gonna be honest here. you're the most underwhelming player that people tell me is good on these forums. i just don't see it; maybe i am the one who is so bad i can't comprehend your greatness; but i don't think that's the case.

I don't talk to people who i think are mafia or will not understand me anyways.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 22 2015 22:28 GMT
#698
yamato i just don't thee scum GB here.
meh.. i guess i can be wrong here but idk. I just don't see it.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 22 2015 22:37 GMT
#705
On October 23 2015 07:31 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2015 06:38 ritoky wrote:
On October 23 2015 06:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 23 2015 06:27 ritoky wrote:
On October 23 2015 06:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I have a question. Xatalos do you seriously think Blazinghand - as town - believes that lynching by RNG on D1 has the best chances of hitting mafia? Like do you SERIOUSLY believe that?


depending on the setup of the game and the structure of PRs, yes.

really?
when he himself just argued it's less likely to hit mafia then not rng lycnhing?


it's actually equally as likely, so i disagree with your premise entirely.

it's actually really simple. i mean i guess it's pretty simple for me cuz i read like 10 of BH's games in the recent past so i could accurately impersonate him. here's your guide to reading BH:

Did he RNG immediately @ the start of the game: if yes -> 80% chance to be town; if no -> 80% chance to be mafia

Did he push the RNG target or just leave it there like a dead fish: if push -> 95% chance to be town; if dead fish - 50% chance to be mafia

Did he gather reads from people arguing with him about why they are better than RNG: yes - DING DING DING town; i don't know he hasn't given reads - 75% town; no - 50% town

rayn, was this your turning point on ritoky? They're right when saying that ritoky posted nothing between "(rayn thinks) ritoky is town" and "POE lynch list include ritoky".

Yeah as i said that was yesterday. I clearly pointed out (before going to bed) that i dislike Xatalos' & ritoky's reads on BH which i had missed earlier as i was tired. My townread on ritoky before was not based on that at all. I jsut didn't pay attention to his posts because i didn't think he was saying anything interesting. It's like how i treat players who don't say anything interesting (unless something changes)... in every game.

There is absolutely nothing contradicting there, i re-evaluated his posting after i had slept and dug up further and came to conclusion he is mafia, because:
1) His read on BH is bad.
2) His reasoning for his read doesn't even make any sense.for example; he says there is 80% chance BH does this rng thing as town, so there is actually then 20% chance of BH doing that as mafia - by default. When people tell his that "BH could totally do that as mafia" it doesn't affect his read at all. In fact he just pushes the townread further with more illogical arguments, like trying to argue random lynching is as effective as not random lynching, which is a straight out lie, and doesn't even have anything to do with BH's alignment.

So yeah, there is that. That's basically the only thing he has done in this game in addition to now bitching at me.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 22 2015 22:39 GMT
#707
On October 23 2015 07:32 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2015 07:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
yamato i just don't thee scum GB here.
meh.. i guess i can be wrong here but idk. I just don't see it.


Come on man you can give something more definitive than this.

I don't know what to say?
I don't think his case on you makes him mafia because he seems to actually believe in what he says (while his argument is wrong).
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 22 2015 22:43 GMT
#711
On October 22 2015 06:45 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2015 06:44 Xatalos wrote:
On October 22 2015 06:41 ritoky wrote:
On October 22 2015 06:39 Xatalos wrote:
On October 22 2015 06:36 ritoky wrote:
gumshoe might be mafia.


Why?


poorly explained response, forced joke, clear post editing, extra lines at the end of post.


Clear post editing? I agree he's felt a bit "forced" with his entrance.


at start of game mafia more likely to re-read and edit their post than town is. town more prone to be natural. the lines at the end, the changes between capitalizing and not capitalizing, and some other aspects shows he read and edited the post.

this post looked town.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 22 2015 22:45 GMT
#713
On October 23 2015 07:44 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2015 07:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Chromatically seems to be the most level headed person in this game. It's like not totally out of question he is scum here but most likely he is just town as his posting suggests.

This is what worries me tbh. Not that I'm saying he isn't a levelheaded person, but I'm kinda struggling to place him in the game which I don't like

what do you mean by this? like you don't know where he is headed or what?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 22 2015 22:51 GMT
#718
On October 23 2015 07:49 Vivax wrote:
Bothers me how first GB goes from "Vivax mafia cause tone" when most people agreed that it's my town tone, and then thinks of another reason to scumread me for and switches over to saying that he's suspicious of my townreads cause he doesn't know how they're formed.

So um yeah, either my tone sucks but then my townreads don't have anything to do with it, and when confronted with other people's opinions (marv was hitting that with a pneumatic hammer) he abandons it and starts looking for another reason to bitch about my alignment, so he asks me some fancy questions "why do you townread these dudes" when it's a question he could ask anyone without having to scumread them first.

Hmm okay this makes sense.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 22 2015 22:54 GMT
#722
On October 23 2015 07:48 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2015 07:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 23 2015 07:44 marvellosity wrote:
On October 23 2015 07:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Chromatically seems to be the most level headed person in this game. It's like not totally out of question he is scum here but most likely he is just town as his posting suggests.

This is what worries me tbh. Not that I'm saying he isn't a levelheaded person, but I'm kinda struggling to place him in the game which I don't like

what do you mean by this? like you don't know where he is headed or what?

I don't know how to explain and it may be nothing

like I know he's been on ritoky and stuff. but with most other people i can remember who they argued with, or standing out in particular for some reason, or meta stuff when I think about them.

so for me Chromatically is kinda just *there*. tbh right now i'm not even sure i'm suspicious of him for it,not filtered him or anything, i'll do that tomorrow. so he can go about his business ^^

I kinda like him because i basically agree with the most of the stuff he says and he seems to be on the same page with me in almost all of his reads or targets of questioning (i mean, it kinda tells you who he considers mafia/town -- as in who/how he questions).
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 22 2015 22:56 GMT
#725
On October 23 2015 07:55 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2015 07:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 23 2015 07:48 marvellosity wrote:
On October 23 2015 07:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 23 2015 07:44 marvellosity wrote:
On October 23 2015 07:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Chromatically seems to be the most level headed person in this game. It's like not totally out of question he is scum here but most likely he is just town as his posting suggests.

This is what worries me tbh. Not that I'm saying he isn't a levelheaded person, but I'm kinda struggling to place him in the game which I don't like

what do you mean by this? like you don't know where he is headed or what?

I don't know how to explain and it may be nothing

like I know he's been on ritoky and stuff. but with most other people i can remember who they argued with, or standing out in particular for some reason, or meta stuff when I think about them.

so for me Chromatically is kinda just *there*. tbh right now i'm not even sure i'm suspicious of him for it,not filtered him or anything, i'll do that tomorrow. so he can go about his business ^^

I kinda like him because i basically agree with the most of the stuff he says and he seems to be on the same page with me in almost all of his reads or targets of questioning (i mean, it kinda tells you who he considers mafia/town -- as in who/how he questions).

kinda reminds me of your Shining townread d1 last game though.

Probably, but i am more wary of letting that go too far like it did with Shining (and to some extent with sicklucker).
I learn from my mistakes. That doesn't however change my read atm.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 22 2015 22:59 GMT
#726
I might be wrong on GlowingBear, what Vivax said makes a lot of sense tbh.
It's like GB goes "i call this thing scummy then i ask about it" when it should be another way around if he didn't know the reasoning of Vivax' reads. If he doesn't care about the answer (=scummy anyways, as he seemed to think so), why even ask?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 22 2015 23:00 GMT
#728
I am also just gonna yolo and say Onegu is town.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 22 2015 23:02 GMT
#730
On October 23 2015 08:00 Xatalos wrote:
Hm... rayn, you stopped responding to me because you understood my point about the RNG things, but I'm "dumb" anyway? Why am I "dumb" even if you thought I ultimately had a point? Or did you talk about it with me because you initially put / painted me as scum and then dropped interest when it didn't go anywhere?

Well, I guess you did answer some of it indirectly in your other posts anyway. I was still left hanging especially with how you gave GB/Hopeless such easy town passes (for almost nothing) and why ritoky became scum for... basically disagreeing with you about some RNG statistics?

Because i can see how it makes sense in your world, it doesn't change the fact i consider it dumb.

That's not why i read ritoky mafia. And i can read Hopeless very well. Probably better than anyone in this game. I missed some stuff on GB, he looked level headed enough for me to consider him town and he is another person whose posts i pay very little attention to at least early on, unless ofc i think he is mafia.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 23 2015 06:48 GMT
#750
##unvote
##vote GlowingBear
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 23 2015 07:12 GMT
#767
On October 23 2015 16:01 GlowingBear wrote:
I seriously don't understand why I'm being scumread.

Could you please enlighten me?

Because you are pushing a bad reasoned read.
Because the way you defend yourself is exactly what you do as scum.
Because you said you reda the thread but you actually didn't, not even close.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 23 2015 07:53 GMT
#790
heh.... 7 out of 7 last games initial scumread = correct. <3
i amuse myself.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 23 2015 14:36 GMT
#866
On October 23 2015 19:17 marvellosity wrote:
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On October 23 2015 19:11 marvellosity wrote:
I think Slam is mafia.

It feels to me like he decided to scumread rayn and then is kinda just picking out posts to make it happen.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 23 2015 14:40 GMT
#871
Wait Xatalos actually thinks i am mafia?
Maybe ritoky is town after all.
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