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On October 23 2015 23:41 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2015 23:39 GlowingBear wrote:On October 23 2015 23:35 marvellosity wrote:
literally just explained my feelings about Chrome, GB.
other than your read on Vivax i can't really think of anything that would make you town. so all that's left is a bad read on vivax. I saw it, but don't you agree that Chromatically is being at least productive and Onegu and Hopeless aren't? Hopeless is disinterested just like he was in Avogadro's mini mafia. But especially Onegu. He is sheeping me. How come you think I might be mafia for a bad read on Vivax but Onegu likely to be town for sheeping me into this very same read? how is Onegu sitting in group 3 out of 4 just above the people i'm suspicious of "likely town"? no. productivity is a weird metric. the least 'productive' people are usually lazy town fuckers. mafia try to be productive so they don't get lynched by people for not being productive.
Ok, I swapped Onegu with Hopeless in my mind for some reason. Still, what do you think of this?
Well, although you may be right on the second paragraph, I think this isn't the case on Chrom.
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On October 23 2015 23:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2015 19:28 marvellosity wrote:
the funny thing is, one thing that makes me unsure about GB being mafia - both rayn and I stated pretty early that Vivax was town and I think it was kinda obvious we were serious about it. So I guess GB-mafia in that instance somehow decides to go against both me and rayn and push a very weak meta case? it's practically suicidal. maybe he's just town and believes it... dno right now and btw this is what GB does as scum. He basically does something that is "too scummy to be scum" then, when called out for it he says "mafia would never do that so i am not mafia". Hell he isn't even really defending his read (see Trfel/Damdred last game), he just says "i would not pick Vivax as my target as mafia because people are townreading him".
No, that's not what I do every time, get your head off your ass, I just played a game where I was town and I defended myself the same way.
If you think I'm not defending my read you should fucking read me instead of calling me scum. It's fucking annoying when someone call me mafia without even reading a two page filter. I fucking ASKED you if you liked one of my reads.
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Also, Rayn, with so many people town reading Vivax, I asked my town reads about my other reads EXACTLY because I can be wrong.
But you don't fucking care to read my posts before calling me scum. Not you, nor Marv, who wants to lynch Chrom over Hopeless, me over Onegu and Gumshoe who are voting the same player as I.
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On October 23 2015 23:58 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2015 23:57 GlowingBear wrote:On October 23 2015 23:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 23 2015 19:28 marvellosity wrote:
the funny thing is, one thing that makes me unsure about GB being mafia - both rayn and I stated pretty early that Vivax was town and I think it was kinda obvious we were serious about it. So I guess GB-mafia in that instance somehow decides to go against both me and rayn and push a very weak meta case? it's practically suicidal. maybe he's just town and believes it... dno right now and btw this is what GB does as scum. He basically does something that is "too scummy to be scum" then, when called out for it he says "mafia would never do that so i am not mafia". Hell he isn't even really defending his read (see Trfel/Damdred last game), he just says "i would not pick Vivax as my target as mafia because people are townreading him". No, that's not what I do every time, get your head off your ass, I just played a game where I was town and I defended myself the same way. If you think I'm not defending my read you should fucking read me instead of calling me scum. It's fucking annoying when someone call me mafia without even reading a two page filter. I fucking ASKED you if you liked one of my reads. great inacitivty lynch 
I was at my night class when the game stared and I'm playing two games - when I've got the time I read the whole thread and gave my impressions on all players.
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On October 24 2015 00:01 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 00:00 GlowingBear wrote:
nor Marv, who wants to lynch Chrom over Hopeless, me over Onegu and Gumshoe who are voting the same player as I. what has this got to do with anything at all?
It had to do that your excuse to lynch me is poor when other players are doing the same shit as I but you don't scum read them. You're just being a lazy mofo
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On October 24 2015 00:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 00:03 GlowingBear wrote:On October 23 2015 23:58 marvellosity wrote:On October 23 2015 23:57 GlowingBear wrote:On October 23 2015 23:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 23 2015 19:28 marvellosity wrote:
the funny thing is, one thing that makes me unsure about GB being mafia - both rayn and I stated pretty early that Vivax was town and I think it was kinda obvious we were serious about it. So I guess GB-mafia in that instance somehow decides to go against both me and rayn and push a very weak meta case? it's practically suicidal. maybe he's just town and believes it... dno right now and btw this is what GB does as scum. He basically does something that is "too scummy to be scum" then, when called out for it he says "mafia would never do that so i am not mafia". Hell he isn't even really defending his read (see Trfel/Damdred last game), he just says "i would not pick Vivax as my target as mafia because people are townreading him". No, that's not what I do every time, get your head off your ass, I just played a game where I was town and I defended myself the same way. If you think I'm not defending my read you should fucking read me instead of calling me scum. It's fucking annoying when someone call me mafia without even reading a two page filter. I fucking ASKED you if you liked one of my reads. great inacitivty lynch I was at my night class when the game stared and I'm playing two games - when I've got the time I read the whole thread and gave my impressions on all players. no you didn't read the thread. if you did you would know what your townreads (chrom/me/marv) say about your lynch targets. you would also know i don't read you town at that point. so you didn't actually read the thread.
Yeah, I didn't. You're good. You've got me.
Gg mafia team is me, Leeroy Jenkins and Batman.
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On October 24 2015 00:07 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 00:05 GlowingBear wrote:On October 24 2015 00:01 marvellosity wrote:On October 24 2015 00:00 GlowingBear wrote:
nor Marv, who wants to lynch Chrom over Hopeless, me over Onegu and Gumshoe who are voting the same player as I. what has this got to do with anything at all? It had to do that your excuse to lynch me is poor when other players are doing the same shit as I but you don't scum read them. You're just being a lazy mofo I'm not being lazy at all. What is this moronic thing that keeps getting spouted about people should blanketly scumread people doing similar things? that's not how mafia works, is never how mafia worked, and will never be how mafia works. just ludicrous
It's not blanketly. You have a guy sheeping a read you don't like (and its you're sole reason to call me mafia) and you don't think that guy is mafia at all. Lol.
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Well, fuck this shit then, lynch me.
After I flip, go against Marv because I can't possibly see how can't he see me as town + not willing to lynch Onegu when Onegu has done NOTHING but sheeping me onto the same read he scum reads me for.
I'm voting Marv but I know all you pussies won't because he is Marv. And it seems again that he isn't so good as you say.
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On October 24 2015 00:22 marvellosity wrote:
GB you are not Onegu.
case against me debunked.
ez game ez life.
Marv here is your logic.
GB is mafia because his read is bad.
Onegu sheeps bad read.
Onegu isn't mafia.
You're saying a bad read is scummy but blindly sheeping a bad read isn't.
Come on.
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On October 24 2015 00:32 Xatalos wrote:
GB, if you're town, seriously don't just commit suicide here. Looks like it's heading towards you vs rayn and it'd be sad if you caused your own death there, like a certain player in my newbie game....
I'm not commiting suicide, I'm getting angry that such shitty scum read on me based on a read that I find very reasonable and I'm having a hard time believing good players can't possibly see I'm town.
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On October 24 2015 00:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 00:36 GlowingBear wrote:On October 24 2015 00:32 Xatalos wrote:
GB, if you're town, seriously don't just commit suicide here. Looks like it's heading towards you vs rayn and it'd be sad if you caused your own death there, like a certain player in my newbie game.... I'm not commiting suicide, I'm getting angry that such shitty scum read on me based on a read that I find very reasonable and I'm having a hard time believing good players can't possibly see I'm town. Then start playing as town, vote for slam, and stop asking questions about what you should already know instead of telling us you have read the thread.
I
HAVE
READ
THE
THREAD
I KNOW YOU "YOLO'ED" AND CALLED ONEGU TOWN FOR NO REASON
I KNOW YOU META'ED HOPELESS AND CALLED HIM TOWN
I KNOW MARV AND YOU HAD TWO INITIAL TOWNREADS - XATALOS AND VIVAX
I KNOW YOU FUCKING HAD GUMSHOE AS MAFIA THEN FLIPPED YOUR READ
WHY CAN'T I BRING WHAT I THINK ABOUT PLAYERS AND ASK YOU TO COMMENT ABOUT WHAT I'VE BROUGHT INSTEAD OF SAYING "OH OKAY RAYN SAID THESE GUYS ARE TOWN SO THEY ARE"????!?!??
JESUS CHRIST
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On October 24 2015 00:45 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 00:39 marvellosity wrote:On October 24 2015 00:37 gumshoe wrote:On October 24 2015 00:31 marvellosity wrote:On October 24 2015 00:30 gumshoe wrote:On October 24 2015 00:19 marvellosity wrote:On October 24 2015 00:16 gumshoe wrote:My risque lynch would be yamato. I didn't like this part of his gb post marv fell off this for basically no reason, I would have pushed him more this post isnt calling marv scummy, its saying that he was doing the right thing, then stopped doing it. Feels like hes trying to direct marv back onto JB, which feels quite bad to me. also this I disagree on your assessment of GB. I think he ass-pulled his explanation of his scumread of Vivax. I think mafia GB randomly decided to scumread someone and fabricated the reason over multiple posts. This just feels REALLY confident, like he knows for a fact jb is full of shit, while I and several others are fairly on the fence about him. hey I think yamato is very likely to be town. I like all his reads and the way he is making them. the first bit of this post - no actually yamato was bang on, and it should make you townread him for it, not mafiaread him. The fact, when he mentioned it and I responded, that I conceded he was right should also bring you to that conclusion. why doesn't it? essentially (as i already explained somewhere) i had a bit of a brain fart and i wasn't evaluating vivax's town/mafia play properly in my head, so what yamato said about dropping off it too easily was bang on, because if i was using full/correct information, i would have kept on it more. It makes yamato look good because he's suggesting the direction that play should have taken, and he was actually right about it. And i can say that because it was my thought process. Because it feels too Bang on. like his assessment about Gbs shitposting feels definitive. The way he phrases it is actually perfect and makes total sense. That said, Gb making shit up as he goes along doesnt and bieng totes wrong doesnt make him mafia( I know this for a fact). Yamato is just right and succint, which is something mafia are very good at cause they know everything / :Also, his redirecting you onto Jb is scummy to me because hes not actually investigating you, the tone of his posts suggests he knows your town and were doing the "right" thing and just stopped for some reason. Problem is, I think he doesnt seem to really care what that reason is, only that you stopped going onto Gb.The only point in him calling you out was to regain momentum onto jb. Which feels like an agenda as opposed to honest scum hunting. Basically, between the guy who feels too right and is trying to redirect the most townie player, and the dude whose stumbling drunkley, my own bias compels me to suspect the former / : he's right and succinct AND has insight into my thought process. which is quite easy for an effective scum player to do no? Honestly I know Tl players are amazing after what must be at least half a decade of constant play. But the only thing really seperating our two factions is knowledge, a player appearing too effective (as is the case with yamato in my eyes atm) in such a short space of time and posting is something that should always concern us. But after the gb martyr I'm down to kill him as I doubt a yamato lynch could even happen unless gb flips green. but please elaborate on hopeless, I dont got your history or your meta, he just seems totes worthless something I will never again take for granted after one particular game. i've no interest in talking about hopeless. it's doubtful he's getting lynched. is he lock clear? no. but unless you're planning on getting 5-6 votes on him today i don't really want to bother when there are more important things. yamato is not an effective scumplayer. fine, shortening the list to onegu and gb, but make no mistake, my little vivax WILL rise once again, with a vengeance.
I'm sorry, what?
You've kept saying you were town reading me, then thinks I'm mafia for martyring, then you want to lynch me but still thinks Vivax is mafia???
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On October 24 2015 00:50 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 00:36 GlowingBear wrote:On October 24 2015 00:32 Xatalos wrote:
GB, if you're town, seriously don't just commit suicide here. Looks like it's heading towards you vs rayn and it'd be sad if you caused your own death there, like a certain player in my newbie game.... I'm not commiting suicide, I'm getting angry that such shitty scum read on me based on a read that I find very reasonable and I'm having a hard time believing good players can't possibly see I'm town. Tell me more about the "shitty scum" reading you. You obviously have more people in mind, who are your detractors?
I meant "shitty scumreads", not shitty scum reading me.
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On October 24 2015 00:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 00:41 GlowingBear wrote:On October 24 2015 00:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 24 2015 00:36 GlowingBear wrote:On October 24 2015 00:32 Xatalos wrote:
GB, if you're town, seriously don't just commit suicide here. Looks like it's heading towards you vs rayn and it'd be sad if you caused your own death there, like a certain player in my newbie game.... I'm not commiting suicide, I'm getting angry that such shitty scum read on me based on a read that I find very reasonable and I'm having a hard time believing good players can't possibly see I'm town. Then start playing as town, vote for slam, and stop asking questions about what you should already know instead of telling us you have read the thread. I HAVE READ THE THREAD I KNOW YOU "YOLO'ED" AND CALLED ONEGU TOWN FOR NO REASON I KNOW YOU META'ED HOPELESS AND CALLED HIM TOWN I KNOW MARV AND YOU HAD TWO INITIAL TOWNREADS - XATALOS AND VIVAX I KNOW YOU FUCKING HAD GUMSHOE AS MAFIA THEN FLIPPED YOUR READ WHY CAN'T I BRING WHAT I THINK ABOUT PLAYERS AND ASK YOU TO COMMENT ABOUT WHAT I'VE BROUGHT INSTEAD OF SAYING "OH OKAY RAYN SAID THESE GUYS ARE TOWN SO THEY ARE"????!?!?? JESUS CHRIST Because if you fail to realize your read on Vivax is actually really terrible then there is nothing to talk about that one. If you can't understand, when four players, me, marv, yamato, and Vivax (and to some extent other players -- well basically all of them) call your read bad, you should probably at least think your read can be bad, as we can't all be mafia, right? Instead of doing this, you come back and say "but i would never do this as mafia". Your read is bad, regardless of Vivax alignment, that's a fact. Yet you are just sitting there on that read doing nothing. Onegu is likely town for his approach towards me early on in the game. Same goes to Hopeless. Furthermore, last time i asked Hopeless to do shit when he was mafia he didn't do shit. I agree Hopeless isn't doing much but is trying to do something, and that is a towntell for him. I will never lynch Hopeless or Onegu here on D1. Never. And you should not either, especially with players like Slam in the game (or even Blazinghand who hasn't actually done jack shit this game). Or ritoky, or gumshoe. Never ever. The last three of those have posted but all of theirs posts have nothing much to say. Now not all of them can be mafia, because Slam is definitely scum, and i can't even know which one of them is/isn't scum, but i am most certain of Onegu not being mafia. Basically Onegu just doesn't care, which is not what his scumplay looks like, and while i hate the way he plays, that's what he does as town. So if you are town get your head out of your tunnel'y ass and start considering also what other people say, especially when almost everyone in the game shares the view OPPOSITE of yours on Vivax.
You fail to realise that I asked your opinion exactly because my townread were saying my scum read is town. But then, when you come to the thread, you scum read me. What am I supposed to do, listen to you and vote me????
Like, seriously, you and Marv could simply answer my question. But instead you decided I'm scum. I AM considering what other people say. Unfortunately, they are saying I'm scum, and that's wrong. I really don't know what I'm supposed to do.
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I think it's too early to lynch slam
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I think best lynch today is BH. We all agree he has been lackluster and we have yet to see him being suspicious of a player. I don't remember him having scum reads
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I won't be here in the next couple of hours. I'll be back later.
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On October 24 2015 03:03 Xatalos wrote:
Hm Onegu's return seems okay... Although why is rayn 90% town? Elaborate?
Sorry, why is he okay?
BTW I'm pretty sure Vivax is mafia now. He comes back, jokes about stuff, says some random stuff about killing me, but actually talks about nothing else in the game. His read on yamato has vanished, too.
I can't understand what you guys find townie in him.
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On October 24 2015 03:06 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2015 16:21 GlowingBear wrote:On October 23 2015 16:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 23 2015 16:01 GlowingBear wrote:
I seriously don't understand why I'm being scumread.
Could you please enlighten me? Because you are pushing a bad reasoned read. Because the way you defend yourself is exactly what you do as scum. Because you said you reda the thread but you actually didn't, not even close. I've actually read this thread more closely than any recent games I've played. You should be able to tell by the time stamps. I've spent almost 3 hours reading and thinking about it. I think my reasons are fair enough to vote Vivax. He has yet to explain the townreads, his activity dropped, his reads are static. I think this makes Vivax mafia. If you don't, fair enough. But I don't understand how you can possibly believe I, as mafia, would call both you and marv town while disagreeing with your top town reads. I defended myself by using logic. Thinking someone is scum and asking questions doesn't make my read premeditated. I will always further investigate what I find suspicious. Given the sheer quantity and magnitude of lurkers at this point in time, why would you be invested in Vivax in particular? I feel like, at least at the time of this post, there are at least 3 people who fit this description. Why not, for example, be on Yamato77 or Onegu or someone else who has had lackluster performance? Show nested quote +On October 23 2015 16:30 Alakaslam wrote:On October 23 2015 07:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 23 2015 07:31 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 23 2015 06:38 ritoky wrote:On October 23 2015 06:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 23 2015 06:27 ritoky wrote:On October 23 2015 06:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I have a question. Xatalos do you seriously think Blazinghand - as town - believes that lynching by RNG on D1 has the best chances of hitting mafia? Like do you SERIOUSLY believe that? depending on the setup of the game and the structure of PRs, yes. really? when he himself just argued it's less likely to hit mafia then not rng lycnhing? it's actually equally as likely, so i disagree with your premise entirely. it's actually really simple. i mean i guess it's pretty simple for me cuz i read like 10 of BH's games in the recent past so i could accurately impersonate him. here's your guide to reading BH: Did he RNG immediately @ the start of the game: if yes -> 80% chance to be town; if no -> 80% chance to be mafia Did he push the RNG target or just leave it there like a dead fish: if push -> 95% chance to be town; if dead fish - 50% chance to be mafia Did he gather reads from people arguing with him about why they are better than RNG: yes - DING DING DING town; i don't know he hasn't given reads - 75% town; no - 50% town rayn, was this your turning point on ritoky? They're right when saying that ritoky posted nothing between "(rayn thinks) ritoky is town" and "POE lynch list include ritoky". Yeah as i said that was yesterday. I clearly pointed out (before going to bed) that i dislike Xatalos' & ritoky's reads on BH which i had missed earlier as i was tired. My townread on ritoky before was not based on that at all. I jsut didn't pay attention to his posts because i didn't think he was saying anything interesting. It's like how i treat players who don't say anything interesting (unless something changes)... in every game. There is absolutely nothing contradicting there, i re-evaluated his posting after i had slept and dug up further and came to conclusion he is mafia, because: 1) His read on BH is bad. 2) His reasoning for his read doesn't even make any sense.for example; he says there is 80% chance BH does this rng thing as town, so there is actually then 20% chance of BH doing that as mafia - by default. When people tell his that "BH could totally do that as mafia" it doesn't affect his read at all. In fact he just pushes the townread further with more illogical arguments, like trying to argue random lynching is as effective as not random lynching, which is a straight out lie, and doesn't even have anything to do with BH's alignment. So yeah, there is that. That's basically the only thing he has done in this game in addition to now bitching at me. See you don't do this stuff as town You'll need to elaborate on this-- what doesn't he do as town in particular? Certainly there may be reason to vote rayn (since he is obvscum due to RNG) but a post like this doesn't tell me anything about you or why I would want to vote RAyn. What's up here, Alakaslam?
I've said I could lynch Onegu. Yamato is the type of guy that gets afk as both alignments and if he is mafia time can easily tell.
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On October 24 2015 03:07 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 03:07 GlowingBear wrote:On October 24 2015 03:03 Xatalos wrote:
Hm Onegu's return seems okay... Although why is rayn 90% town? Elaborate? Sorry, why is he okay? BTW I'm pretty sure Vivax is mafia now. He comes back, jokes about stuff, says some random stuff about killing me, but actually talks about nothing else in the game. His read on yamato has vanished, too. I can't understand what you guys find townie in him. You mean my yolo townread on yamato? Didn't somebody already tell you that you should read the game.
I've read the game but I didn't see that?
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